ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

yeah, inferno is just straight up better.

look at wall of elements.

not only is burning one of the strongest status effects in the game because every player can proc it and increase their damage, but from memory wall of elements damage is buffed by a crazy 20% when the target is burning. so even if they have the same tool tip damage, wall of lightning is doing significantly less damage when burning procs. this is ignoring any benefits from other buffs like engulfing or encratis.

additionally the lightning status debuff is group wide, minor vulnerability or off balance which means the more people are using it the less benefit you're getting from it. it doesn't stack like burning does.

finally on top of all that, if you run lightning on the back and inferno on the front, the staff aoe damage increase only applies when you're on the back bar.
basically if you're running a lighting staff on the back bar, you're doing it wrong.

that's not an opinion, that's just maths.

nah you're supposed to like that fire is overwhelmingly better than the other 2 :P

though i suppose it doesn't matter much. stampede is our new overlord next patch.

Also +10% damage bonus is more than DW/2h damage bonuses. Everyone would use staffs and drop out those melee weapons completely in PvP.

Also, all this changes doesn't take PvP into account. AoE fire staff heavy would gank kill the whole group in DK.

Protection Expert is lol what, why it doesn't do anything for 2/3 of staves?

Am I the only one who don't understand why swap passive effects from one skill to another maintaining exactly the same effects? Could you not do less changes, instead of doing changes just for the sake of it?

Who uses x2 daggers in PvP?

Battle spirit what? Change what skills do with battle spirit? Honestly you ppl cling on battle spirit way too much.
Sneak attacks don't boost damage in PvP even now. But players still able to do 35k fire staff heavies in one hit.

What works like so? All the passives are meaningful to every stave type now.

If you're aiming to improve diversity of what's used then it's a noble goal but I think you've gone about it wrong, as while it won't matter as much which staff you use, the choice will also have less impact. I think the better, and simpler, approach is to alter the passives to improve synergies with class identity.

Currently you have flame staffs buffing single target damage, shock staffs buffing aoe damage, and ice staffs buffing self and group protection.

This should change. First of all, split off the self protection buffs (I'll come back to those). Then, change the Ancient Knowledge passive so that it now gives a buff of 10% to magic damage plus the same type of elemental damage as the staff you're holding (so inferno staff buffs all flame damage whether ST or AOE, shock staff buffs all shock damage etc.) This really ties in to a load of class passives and gives different classes different "clear winner" staffs, so sorc would definitely want shock staff, DK would definitely want flame staffs etc. Some classes do a lot of magic damage or all 3 elemental types, so the choice would be less clear cut there and different choices would be similarly viable.

The wall of elements passive effect changes so that instead of only the flame staff having an actual DPS increasing effect, each type of staff buffs damage to its own applied status effect. So wall of flames stays as is, wall of shock damage is buffed to concussed enemies, wall of frost damage is buffed to chilled enemies. I know it's lore that inferno staffs are related to ST damage, shock is related to aoe damage, but I think that is sufficiently captured by the tri-focus passive effects from heavy attacking - the current implementation of ancient knowledge is too unbalanced to provide diversity of builds in an MMO. Tri focus gives a bit of flavour but heavy attacking isn't something you do all the time so in terms of balance it doesn't really matter.

Change the Bulwark CP passive so that it applies when you have a shield or destro staff equipped, rather than shield or frost staff. No DD will take this CP anyway so it isn't unduly buffing the resistances of damage dealers, but it gives tanks more choice in what staff to use. This CP also inherits the block cost reduction and increased damage blocked that was previously specific to ice staves in the ancient knowledge passive, but it now applies to any destro staff. (Sword n board gets its own passive boosting block so the CP doesn't need to apply to them too.)

This would give a broadly balanced set of staves with each synergising best with different classes, and tanks and healers having more choice over what staff they prefer. There would still be a few oddball buffs like Encratis,
engulfing flames, but perhaps these could be tweaked further down the line to be more element-agnostic, or complemented by other buffs.

Some classes do a lot of magic damage or all 3 elemental types, so the choice would be less clear cut there and different choices would be similarly viable.