Nature’s Grasp Change Issue

Eidolon · January 2022

From the PTS patch

"Nature’s Grasp: Reduced the healing from this ability and the Nature’s Embrace morph by 10%.
Bursting Vines (morph): Reduced the healing from this morph by 25% to ensure it is not stronger than other burst heal abilities, such as Rushed Ceremony."

Does this take into account that Nature's Grasp is also the only healing spell that needs to be aimed? It should have a larger heal its exceptionally situational, and unless I am wrong does not benefit from smart targeting.

CP5 · February 2022

Mentioned this in the combat/classes feedback thread. After having gone between some of my characters on pts, and while my warden is geared differently than the others, it just feels real bad that a skill thats usefulness varies so heavily per situation would be nerfed by 33% from live, on top of the fact that it still has the issue that if a twig blocks your line of sight the skill can flat out fail to cast because of one of the changes they made ages ago.

Eidolon · February 2022

@CP5 can you link me to that post?

CP5 · February 2022

About the targeting change? Let me see if I can find the update that changed it... The UESP doesn't have it listed under the changes, but I'm pretty sure that is was called a 'bug' but it used to be that if you cast the vine out once it reached the target you would be pulled, even if they moved behind a wall. They made a post cast check and if anything was blocking the target it would fail.

ESO_Nightingale · February 2022

it's really funny that they nerfed this skill when it was already considered bad since a couple of years back.

Seraphayel · February 2022

Honestly, who is using this skill? Has been awful since launch. A targeted healing skill? It’s hard enough to get your main DPS target in PvE and especially in PvP, but this healing skill? I see no use case because of how it works. In a PvP battle where there are more than 2 people this is just awful.

CP5 · February 2022

When I checked out the history of changes for that skill it was real funny, seeing 2 different 10%~ buffs for both morphs, only to be followed up later by 25% nerfs. It feels they have no clue if the risk of pulling yourself to your target is worth the reward of more healing.

Eidolon · February 2022

Seraphayel wrote: »

Honestly, who is using this skill? Has been awful since launch. A targeted healing skill? It’s hard enough to get your main DPS target in PvE and especially in PvP, but this healing skill? I see no use case because of how it works. In a PvP battle where there are more than 2 people this is just awful.

VSS HM Ice Cages are its only use

CP5 · February 2022

So while the gear and stats between them vary, I compared my warden to nightblade to get an idea of how this change will pan out. For context, I compared the healing output of their usual skills, which despite their stats were all within 5% the power of one another, and the wardens burst heal was actually only 1% stronger than the nightblades. (11034 vs 10889 tooltips)

So while the nightblade takes a negligible dot and gains minor mending, the warden will, after these changes, have a heal that is only 3/4 as powerful as my nightblades, while requiring aiming, while being more expensive, while requiring I pull myself likely into danger, while being delayed since the heal doesn't happen on cast, or on vine contact, but when I reach the target, but at least I gen some ultimate potentially when I get there. (8296 instead of 11034)

"to ensure it is not stronger than other burst heal abilities" seems a bit accurate...