Thank you.

divnyi wrote: »

Whatever you do, double charged frontbar. Yes, double. Not nirn/charge. Each skill you do will increase chance to cause burning, which increases your sustain by a lot and also deals more damage because opponents is always burning.

Oh interesting. Going to try that tonight. Thanks!

If you want to do competitive level damage then either find a gimmick or don't play mag DK. That class just isn't built like the others. Sad reality is that the only good damage now is burst damage, either kill your enemies instantly or die trying.

Bash weaving is the only thing I know of right now for mag DK. 20k damage from 1 weave on a kinda squishy target.

Meanwhile on the necro I just made...
https://imgur.com/hVjngXE

divnyi wrote: »

@Veg lmao idk what game are you playing but MagDKs are Tier1 now, uncontested.

Not if you're goal is burst damage. I think thats what OP was talking about. I mean clearly a mag necro will do more damage than a mag DK in a 1-2 second window. Their abilities just do more damage up front. Same with pretty much every other class. Mag DK abilities were never made to deal all their damage instantly and like up with other abilities.

Not saying Mag DK is horrible it's just not the best at doing instant damage when you are competing with the top damage dealers. Nothing that got changed in the last major DK buff update had any effect on Mag DK's burst damage. That was all basic stuff like resource management.

I swear, every time a class gets anything considered a buff you guys scream about that class now being #1. Meanwhile magblades and even stam blades(plague set) are flattening groups of 10 like it's nothing.

the build you have is works just fine. Templars can be a tough matchup for you if they cleanse draugr but sawblades should be a much easier fight 1v1. Its probably not what you want to hear but just go out there and 1v1 more for experience because a draugr magdk shouldn't have a problem against stamnb. Just keep the pressure up , keep in mind when they have incap up and hold block when you expect it.

divnyi wrote: »

Whatever you do, double charged frontbar. Yes, double. Not nirn/charge. Each skill you do will increase chance to cause burning, which increases your sustain by a lot and also deals more damage because opponents is always burning.

You might well be right, I don't tend to do duel. The only thing I'd note though is that in a single target situ he'll get pretty good uptime on burning anyway as a magdk with just an off hand charged, particularly if he's running BSW. That gives you an automatic burning on one target when it procs, so that's 4 seconds out 12, and if he's running embers that's another auto proc on demand. Between the rest of the flame damage he'll have going, he should be pretty good for burning.

More generally, tooling around in cyro my (very rough) take was that double charged vs nirn / charged was a bit of a wash, at least on the sustain front. Double charged gave you a bit more sustain and you could switch a glyph over to spell dmg; nirn /charged felt like you gained a bit of damage, but prob needed to switch it back. The extra burning is nice, but so was the other abilities hitting harder.... Which I guess is kind of balanced. Charged obv scales up though the more people you can dot, lash tho.

Vevvev wrote: »

MagDK... Lacking burst damage.... Let me introduce you to the Meteor + Petrify + Full charge Molten Whip combo. Experience the raw fire power a well timed DK can put out with their spammable.

And that's while the Meteor Lands dealing similar damage on top.

How do you get molten whip damage so high? Even with a crit build, I don't think I've ever hit that once.

PancakeHead wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

MagDK... Lacking burst damage.... Let me introduce you to the Meteor + Petrify + Full charge Molten Whip combo. Experience the raw fire power a well timed DK can put out with their spammable.

And that's while the Meteor Lands dealing similar damage on top.

How do you get molten whip damage so high? Even with a crit build, I don't think I've ever hit that once.

Charged Flame staff with Burning Spellweave, Clever Alchemist, Death Dealer's Fete fully charged, Balorgh proced, Major Sorcery, Vampire's Sated Fury activated, and three stacks of Seething Fury. Take away Sated Fury and it drops a thousand or so points but with BSW and CA with Balorgh you'll be able to put holes in people. I did however sacrifice quite a bit of defense to do this and rely upon Coagulating Blood, Burning Embers, and Shattering Rocks to keep me alive most of the time.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=371491

With Swarming Scion I got it to hit 33k on the tooltip, but I don't get the one two punch you'd get with Leap or Meteor being activated instead. Still though, a Swarming Scion in this configuration is going to be incredibly lethal and hard to kill.

PancakeHead wrote: »

Thanks so much!

You're welcome! I do prefer the Pale Order Ring in duels over Death Dealer's Fete, but it obviously isn't a good idea in group PvP.

Vevvev wrote: »

PancakeHead wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

MagDK... Lacking burst damage.... Let me introduce you to the Meteor + Petrify + Full charge Molten Whip combo. Experience the raw fire power a well timed DK can put out with their spammable.

And that's while the Meteor Lands dealing similar damage on top.

How do you get molten whip damage so high? Even with a crit build, I don't think I've ever hit that once.

Charged Flame staff with Burning Spellweave, Clever Alchemist, Death Dealer's Fete fully charged, Balorgh proced, Major Sorcery, Vampire's Sated Fury activated, and three stacks of Seething Fury. Take away Sated Fury and it drops a thousand or so points but with BSW and CA with Balorgh you'll be able to put holes in people. I did however sacrifice quite a bit of defense to do this and rely upon Coagulating Blood, Burning Embers, and Shattering Rocks to keep me alive most of the time.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=371491

With Swarming Scion I got it to hit 33k on the tooltip, but I don't get the one two punch you'd get with Leap or Meteor being activated instead. Still though, a Swarming Scion in this configuration is going to be incredibly lethal and hard to kill.

Man.. thats like NB level gank stats. Something tells me there's some downfalls to the lack of mobility with those stats.

Vevvev wrote: »

Veg wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

PancakeHead wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

MagDK... Lacking burst damage.... Let me introduce you to the Meteor + Petrify + Full charge Molten Whip combo. Experience the raw fire power a well timed DK can put out with their spammable.

And that's while the Meteor Lands dealing similar damage on top.

How do you get molten whip damage so high? Even with a crit build, I don't think I've ever hit that once.

Charged Flame staff with Burning Spellweave, Clever Alchemist, Death Dealer's Fete fully charged, Balorgh proced, Major Sorcery, Vampire's Sated Fury activated, and three stacks of Seething Fury. Take away Sated Fury and it drops a thousand or so points but with BSW and CA with Balorgh you'll be able to put holes in people. I did however sacrifice quite a bit of defense to do this and rely upon Coagulating Blood, Burning Embers, and Shattering Rocks to keep me alive most of the time.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=371491

With Swarming Scion I got it to hit 33k on the tooltip, but I don't get the one two punch you'd get with Leap or Meteor being activated instead. Still though, a Swarming Scion in this configuration is going to be incredibly lethal and hard to kill.

Man.. thats like NB level gank stats. Something tells me there's some downfalls to the lack of mobility with those stats.

There is a few caveats with the build. For starters if I can't heal myself for whatever reason I'm dead. The other is I'm susceptible to ganking due to my low critical and physical resistances meaning I'm always holding block on points and treading carefully against stamina builds. If I can't beat my opponent with brute force I might get put on the defensive, which then creates stamina efficiency issues which is why I have the Survival Instincts CP passive and stage 3+ vampire.

If I'm in need of speed I'll replace Mistform with Race Against Time, and if I need far more healing I'll replace Exhilarating Drain with Radiating Regeneration. Never take the abilities as they are as what I always use because I always find myself tweaking and moving abilities around to fit the situation. Some people I just can't beat though... Like one guy I know is using this build and his defensive power is incredibly strong.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=397267

Uhh... I'd like to know the math on how this guy is running 0 armor sets and yet has 46,000 spell and physical resistances lol... something doesnt add up there

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Veg wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

PancakeHead wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

MagDK... Lacking burst damage.... Let me introduce you to the Meteor + Petrify + Full charge Molten Whip combo. Experience the raw fire power a well timed DK can put out with their spammable.

And that's while the Meteor Lands dealing similar damage on top.

How do you get molten whip damage so high? Even with a crit build, I don't think I've ever hit that once.

Charged Flame staff with Burning Spellweave, Clever Alchemist, Death Dealer's Fete fully charged, Balorgh proced, Major Sorcery, Vampire's Sated Fury activated, and three stacks of Seething Fury. Take away Sated Fury and it drops a thousand or so points but with BSW and CA with Balorgh you'll be able to put holes in people. I did however sacrifice quite a bit of defense to do this and rely upon Coagulating Blood, Burning Embers, and Shattering Rocks to keep me alive most of the time.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=371491

With Swarming Scion I got it to hit 33k on the tooltip, but I don't get the one two punch you'd get with Leap or Meteor being activated instead. Still though, a Swarming Scion in this configuration is going to be incredibly lethal and hard to kill.

Man.. thats like NB level gank stats. Something tells me there's some downfalls to the lack of mobility with those stats.

There is a few caveats with the build. For starters if I can't heal myself for whatever reason I'm dead. The other is I'm susceptible to ganking due to my low critical and physical resistances meaning I'm always holding block on points and treading carefully against stamina builds. If I can't beat my opponent with brute force I might get put on the defensive, which then creates stamina efficiency issues which is why I have the Survival Instincts CP passive and stage 3+ vampire.

If I'm in need of speed I'll replace Mistform with Race Against Time, and if I need far more healing I'll replace Exhilarating Drain with Radiating Regeneration. Never take the abilities as they are as what I always use because I always find myself tweaking and moving abilities around to fit the situation. Some people I just can't beat though... Like one guy I know is using this build and his defensive power is incredibly strong.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=397267

Uhh... I'd like to know the math on how this guy is running 0 armor sets and yet has 46,000 spell and physical resistances lol... something doesnt add up there

Looks like they built full into defense. Resistance pots going for 5.2k resistance, Lady mundus for 2.7k. Major resolve active. Triple protective on jewelry, Markyn ring, multiple reinforced, 5 heavy. Not sure if it factors blood spawn proc. But those are the things I was able to pick apart