It's probably popping with 12 people, and then when they see it is Deathmatch, they leave.

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm not even sure how this is a thing. ZOS has stated, very recently, that an objective only BG would "never" pop due to a lack of interest, but we see from this screenshot that the BG doesn't even need 12 people to start.

What would cause a BG to start without 12 players?

Is it a bug or intended?

If a BG can start with as few as 3 people, why don't we see that more often such as when queues are really slow?

Sounds like B.S. to me, anyway.

I've seen well over 12 people in this forum today alone who are sick of deathmatch and would like to do the objective-based ones again. So this idea there isn't enough interests to get a none-deathmatch one to pop - not even once - just can't be true.

They either messed up coding the new random battleground queue or they have the system rigged somehow. Because there is just no feasible way there aren't enough players queuing up for random to get a single objective-based battleground to pop. It's just not possible. Deathmatch may be popular, but it's not that popular.

I sat out of battlegrounds when they went all death match. I don't do a ton anyway but do like doing them in spurts. Was going to run a few to advance achievements a bit and saw in forums that there was still a problem with getting anything but death match so I didn't even try.
I'm guessing there are more like me that want to participate in the others but are waiting for things to smooth out before jumping in.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm not even sure how this is a thing. ZOS has stated, very recently, that an objective only BG would "never" pop due to a lack of interest, but we see from this screenshot that the BG doesn't even need 12 people to start.

What would cause a BG to start without 12 players?

Is it a bug or intended?

If a BG can start with as few as 3 people, why don't we see that more often such as when queues are really slow?

The queue doesn't pop without 12 people, but people can decline the queue, or miss the notification if they're in combat, or just wait until the last second because why sit in BG waiting room for 40 seconds when they can finish crafting something or grab a node or kill an enemy or finish up a quest, or use the armory, etc.
If someone times out the queue then, even if there's someone else to give it to right after, that new person gets a fresh 40 second timer to accept. It doesn't seem that surprising that it starts like that sometimes.

If that's actually how it works, that's a horrible implementation. If the queue times were lower, say under a minute, then you would never even need a ready check at all. Just queue and drag everyone in when it's ready. The only reason we need ready checks is because people go and do other things while in the queue so they actually need time to get ready.

Amottica wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm not even sure how this is a thing. ZOS has stated, very recently, that an objective only BG would "never" pop due to a lack of interest, but we see from this screenshot that the BG doesn't even need 12 people to start.

What would cause a BG to start without 12 players?

Is it a bug or intended?

If a BG can start with as few as 3 people, why don't we see that more often such as when queues are really slow?

Sounds like B.S. to me, anyway.

I've seen well over 12 people in this forum today alone who are sick of deathmatch and would like to do the objective-based ones again. So this idea there isn't enough interests to get a none-deathmatch one to pop - not even once - just can't be true.

They either messed up coding the new random battleground queue or they have the system rigged somehow. Because there is just no feasible way there aren't enough players queuing up for random to get a single objective-based battleground to pop. It's just not possible. Deathmatch may be popular, but it's not that popular.

The problem that we may be dealing with is the effects of the DM-only test. Gina said the population quickly declined to an unhealthy state. Considering there are multiple threads saying they are seeing only DM queue pops or mostly DM queue pops it is reasonable to assume those players driven away by the test will not be quick to return. I doubt they see much reason to and it will likely take some time and effort to fix this.

I'm sure that's part of it. But I haven't seen or heard of a single battleground pop that hasn't been deathmatch since they added the random battleground queues. That's just mathematically impossible.

It has to be either broken or rigged.

As for PVP and ESO game in general.

DEVs are apparently not able to get complex things right except of PVE content.
This is my conclussion of the current status of the game.
Now we can talk why it is happening.
My answer is that complexity of the economy/PVP fight/ HW requirements is something that was not treated adequately for years because of the focus on short time profits.

If DEVs are taking my feedback seriously, they need to :

1. increase server performance as PVP is not possible on bugged/lagged servers If they don't have enough money, reduce Cyrodiil to save money on it.
2. balance/ reduce PVP classes/sets/skills as we have too many of them and too much complexity is unattractive, especially for the beginners
3. introduce new high quality PVP tutorials with good rewards for beginners just to learn basic things (basic attacks, blocking, moving, using potions)
4. stop changing /nerfing expensive PVP items as people have millions golds/ tens hours of gameplay in it
5. stop destroying guilds/economy of the game as crownsellers/speculants/cheaters/botters can't make game attractive for player community (short term gain is not worth destroying long term social aspects)

It is very sad, that especially after the last NPC vendor rotation half of the old/renowned guilds ended in poor locations and premium spots are occupied with new guilds with empty shops.
I have not any idea how these easy-money guilds can help their members with complex PVP because the only thing they can do is botting and selling crowns. People who could help because they played this game from the begining are somewhere on the periphery with vendor located in the middle of nowhere or not having trader at all.

As you see in PVE this is not as huge problem because in PVE the only thing DEVs need to do is introduce a new DLC and all the content is quite doable even without support of experienced guild.

But PVP will not be gets fixed because of weekly endeavor lose 5 battlegrounds matches in a row.
This requires moire brain work and long term strategy - something that is really missing in this game.

All the queues in this game are fully automatic, unlike many other multiplayer games that will generate a list of open matches showing details of the match with the number of participants and allow players to select one and jump in. I realize the random queue provides special rewards, since players must suffer the likelihood of being placed in a mode they dislike, with random people of unknown skill, but this automated system is deeply flawed, with excessive wait times and glitched games as shown above. Another issue is the need to confirm readiness when the group is formed, which may be missed or ignored for various reasons - not surprising after having to wait upwards of 40 minutes for anything to happen. Maybe it’s time to reconsider the fundamental design of the grouping system.

Gundug wrote: »

All the queues in this game are fully automatic,....

Yes and no. As nearly nobody likes PVP in this game and nearly nobody plays PVP in this game except of bunch of deatmatch fanatics (sorry, but no other word for them) the only result is that you will be (randonly muhahaha) put in some boring endless deathmatch queue/fight between 3 PVP players with sets/skills/build just to be one hitted 100 times.


The only reason why people are going there is to fulfill endeavor.
So dear PVPers, don't take it wrong but the PVP part of this game in current state of agony is worse then if it would be deleted from the game at all.
The vast majority of PVE players would approve it.
Or at least givbe us choice tto oggle PVP related content off from the game (including endeavors rewards).

Fair enough.