Why do people not want to see vampires/Werewolves?

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO · April 2014

It seems the majority of players are angry about seeing any vampires or werewolves in PvP and saying the game will turn into team Jacob vs team Edward or van helsing vs monsters.

You have to understand though being these monsters do have weaknesses that a normal player will not have to worry about and that these monsters are iconic to the TES series? I don't want them to become a rare site like a shockadin or a furry warrior.

Honestly in past TES games I'm sure that a majority of us choose to be a vampire or werewolf so these features shouldn't be pushed to the brink off pure unusuability.

Harakh · April 2014

You played not much PvP or?

The Vampire has not much disatvantage, cause the can avoid much damage.
I barely see non vampire players in PvP now

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Every Werewolf in PvP get destroyed in seconds cause he has only 2 skills to use.

knaveofengland · April 2014

lol vampires are shoved down our throats on tv , its vampires were wolves soaps zombies , I mean we have enough of them with the eu fat cats

Loxy37 · April 2014

Well as long has they don't nerf Vamps because the PvP crown cry fowl then that's ok because I prefer my Vampire the way it is. They should just disable vamps and werewolves in PvP, problem solved!

Nox_Aeterna · April 2014

There are two big crowds.

The first , got issues because they think vampires are OP , these people will jump the wagon to complain about the next thing is OP when the vampires get a nerf , cause that is what they do , they complain about what kills them the most in PvP , doesnt matter what it is.

The second is the one that actually bothers me , these are the players that complain , cause they dont want to see everyone being a vampire in THEIR ES , cause here is the funny part , they think this game is THEIRS to tell OTHERS how they should play their game. These ones are the ones i cant stand.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO · April 2014

Harakh wrote: »

You played not much PvP or?

The Vampire has not much disatvantage, cause the can avoid much damage.
I barely see non vampire players in PvP now .

Every Werewolf in PvP get destroyed in seconds cause he has only 2 skills to use.

Their disadvantages don't go away because they build to fight their weakness, while a vampire/Werewolf can build defensively to counter their weaknesses a non afflicted player can build without worrying about trying to remove their weaknesses

Kypho · April 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

There are two big crowds.

The first , got issues because they think vampires are OP , these people will jump the wagon to complain about the next thing is OP when the vampires get a nerf , cause that is what they do , they complain about what kills them the most in PvP , doesnt matter what it is.

The second is the one that actually bothers me , these are the players that complain , cause they dont want to see everyone being a vampire in THEIR ES , cause here is the funny part , they think this game is THEIRS to tell OTHERS how they should play their game. These ones are the ones i cant stand.

Swarm, root, swarm, root, or even swarm from stealth to vipe out a group alone is your fight. Defend your BS as you want, if thats fair for you, you are brainless defender of those broken stuff.

awkwarrd · April 2014

Only thing in PVP that made them OP is the abuse of Ulti reduction stuff.
Referring specifically to the DK and Sorc class's.

Every single time someone complains about a Vamp that kills 20+ players solo.. he/she is a DK or a Sorc.
There are maaaany video's floating around now and every one of the video's shows a DK or Sorc as the Vamp.

Vamp gets it rough, because the people just blame vamp, and don't look at everything involved.

There are bugs with the Vamp skill line, and the Werewolf skill line.
The DK and Sorc abuse the bugs alot in PVP.

The Mist Form is basically the only defense a vamp has, and people complain about it like its some untargetable thing, when i'v been able to target and nuke a player using it by just timing my stun and Silver Bolt to just before they cast it again, sometimes i need to spam those stuns just to get it to work.

It is amusing to see a Vamp problem in PVP, and i can only see a Silver Bolt upgrade, that would remove the Swarm and other Buffs that the supernatural players use.

There are Videos of people nuking vamps in seconds, and again it's mostly DK's and Sorcs doing this, so if anything, i would say there are 2 class's able to abuse things way more easily than picking on a Vampire.

Gaudrath · April 2014

I don't have a problem with players being vampires as such - as long as ZOS fixes the gaping balance mistakes allowing vampires to synergize with certain classes and item sets allowing them to become unstoppable in PvP. I imagine in PvE as well.

Take Craglorn for example - what will be the point of leaderboards if a team of ultimate-abusing vampires stack up on everything and just bulldoze through the content?

And PvP is ridiculous right now, as anyone knows who had to participate in "boss raids" that happen every time a vamp exploiter appears on the stage.

So as it stands, both endgame PvE and PvP will be screwed if they don't fix this.

That said, this is to be fully expected. The game is new and it takes time to balance things properly.

thelg · April 2014

Mist + retreating maneuver = 75% unccable movement with 75% dmg reduction(yes that includes Silver bolts) = broken

Abigail · April 2014

Game wise, I couldn't care less. In a larger sense, vampires are so clichéd; like zombies, they've just been overdone waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. In short, I could live out what little remains of my life and be perfectly content to never hear about another freaking vampire.

Thechemicals · April 2014

Vampires and Werewolves in pvp are easy to defeat, its just that noone wants to invest in the fighters guild skills. People want a "standard way" to defeat vampires, not a "specific way" and this is because they are bad players.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO · April 2014

Gaudrath wrote: »

I don't have a problem with players being vampires as such - as long as ZOS fixes the gaping balance mistakes allowing vampires to synergize with certain classes and item sets allowing them to become unstoppable in PvP. I imagine in PvE as well.

Take Craglorn for example - what will be the point of leaderboards if a team of ultimate-abusing vampires stack up on everything and just bulldoze through the content?

And PvP is ridiculous right now, as anyone knows who had to participate in "boss raids" that happen every time a vamp exploiter appears on the stage.

So as it stands, both endgame PvE and PvP will be screwed if they don't fix this.

That said, this is to be fully expected. The game is new and it takes time to balance things properly.

You obviously have little understanding about bat swarm.

Go make a vampire and try doing a VR dungeon city of ash with "bat swarm spam"

Imryll · April 2014

Traditionally, in TES being a werewolf or vampire has had significant advantages and disadvantages, making it more a stylistic than a min max choice. I'd rather this were the case in ESO also--and it's not my impression that this is currently true. I don't want to feel that for my sorcerer to compete in PvP, she needs to become a vampire. I want becoming a vampire to offer a different (and fun!) way to play a sorcerer for those who prefer it.

In any case, to evaluate balance you need to look at specific ablilities and synergies and fix any bugs that may be distorting how these function in-game.

Kiash · April 2014

Hope they remove Vamp and WW in PvP personally. No need for nerfs, just take them out of Cyrodiil. Tired of seeing all Vampires in PvP because it's broken.

ruzlb16_ESO · April 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

Vampires and Werewolves in pvp are easy to defeat, its just that noone wants to invest in the fighters guild skills. People want a "standard way" to defeat vampires, not a "specific way" and this is because they are bad players.

Completely this.

joshisanonymous · April 2014

It's different in a regular TES game because, if you become a vampire, that doesn't mean everyone in the game is a vampire. Even if everyone plays regular TES games as vampires, they're all still playing in game worlds where vampires are relatively rare compared to non-vampires.

I'm not sure if there really are as many vampires as non-vampires in PvP, but if so, then it's kind of a silly situation. I imagine it will balance out after most people figure out how to kill them, or the people playing as vampires get bored of it, or Zenimax adds more disadvantages if the first two things don't happen.

lao · April 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

There are two big crowds.

The first , got issues because they think vampires are OP , these people will jump the wagon to complain about the next thing is OP when the vampires get a nerf , cause that is what they do , they complain about what kills them the most in PvP , doesnt matter what it is.

The second is the one that actually bothers me , these are the players that complain , cause they dont want to see everyone being a vampire in THEIR ES , cause here is the funny part , they think this game is THEIRS to tell OTHERS how they should play their game. These ones are the ones i cant stand.

me, a vampire, assure you its currently OP and needs a nerf. however its not OP cos of the vamp line itself (well maybe a little bit but it hardly needs a huge nerf) what causes it to be OP is the ultimate cost reduction stacking. and that needs a BIG nerf.