Twice Born Star and Hybrids

Zama666 · August 2021

Watched a vid by Hack The Minotaur paying a hybrid build (Magicka & Stamina) Templar using TBS.
This was all PVE.

Would this do OK in PvP...
TBS - is this a proc set? And only one mundi would function?

Thoughts on hybrids...or certain death?

Tanks,

Z

DrSlaughtr · August 2021

Can you? Yes. But hybrid builds are inherently weaker.

WrathOfInnos · August 2021

Which 2nd mundus stone would you be using? There’s likely a better set option.

Zama666 · August 2021

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Which 2nd mundus stone would you be using? There’s likely a better set option.

I am would think more stam and magicka mundi - recovery.

WrathOfInnos · August 2021

Zama666 wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Which 2nd mundus stone would you be using? There’s likely a better set option.

I am would think more stam and magicka mundi - recovery.

Well you get one for free. The 2nd mundus would only give Magicka Recovery (Atronach) or Stamina Recovery (Serpent). You’d be better off getting a set like Amber Plasm, which gives both Stamina and Magicka Recovery. Another option would be crafted Shacklebreaker, which gives Max Stam/Mag, both recoveries, and Weapon/Spell Damage.

This frees up your first Mundus Stone for something else with hybrid stats, such as Thief, Shadow, or Lover.

Zama666 · August 2021

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Zama666 wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Which 2nd mundus stone would you be using? There’s likely a better set option.

I am would think more stam and magicka mundi - recovery.

Well you get one for free. The 2nd mundus would only give Magicka Recovery (Atronach) or Stamina Recovery (Serpent). You’d be better off getting a set like Amber Plasm, which gives both Stamina and Magicka Recovery. Another option would be crafted Shacklebreaker, which gives Max Stam/Mag, both recoveries, and Weapon/Spell Damage.

This frees up your first Mundus Stone for something else with hybrid stats, such as Thief, Shadow, or Lover.

Wow, never even heard of Amber Plasm....
Shacklebreaker looks good - really good.

I guess part of the reason I am confused is TBS with legendary shows a 9.1% increase for a stat...ShackleBreakers shows 245 for stam regen....not sure how to convert % to pts.

Tanks for the help!

Z

ResidentContrarian · August 2021

There are numerous ways to build a hybrid...the only way to find out if you like something is to test it out.

Keep in mind, stats on paper don't matter much in the end...

Stx · August 2021

I would not recommend TBS for pvp. You really want full divines to make the most of that set and in pvp that means you are losing out on impen crit resist or well fitted stamina sustain.

moo_2021 · August 2021

If you're looking for gears that allow hybrid playstyle, my new sets which I completed today helped me a lot in PvP, despite having zero skill.

Gaze, Kra'gh's, Heartland Conqueror (not heavy), and Pariah on jewelry & weapons. It's neither specific to stamina nor magicka.

Jewelries are all swift reconstructed with damage enchant. Front weapon is sharpened and back weapon is defending. With Heartland Conqueror the build should reach over 10k penetration unbuffed on front and 40k+ resist on back when HP is down to half. Both are critical in PvP regardless of your role or skill set.

The defense helped me to keep fighting or running away (with swift jewelries). The penetration combined with gap closer did hurt and scored some kills unlike my previous builds. I even won 1vs1 a few times.

Main recovery is only 2k and requires speed or damage potion to keep in prolonged combat. But it'd be too good to trade one potion for one kill :P

It's modified from others' with my passive playstyle with high tolerance for frequent misclicks and complete unawareness of environment. In PvP I can barely keep HoT and minor resolve up, let alone doing any other buffs that require me to hit someone once a while for example. I don't even know when to block or dodge except when the big red mark is on the ground.

Hope you find it useful as a base template.

moo_2021 · August 2021

Zama666 wrote: »

Wow, never even heard of Amber Plasm....
Shacklebreaker looks good - really good.

I guess part of the reason I am confused is TBS with legendary shows a 9.1% increase for a stat...ShackleBreakers shows 245 for stam regen....not sure how to convert % to pts.

You need the UESP build editor https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData

You can select gears, mundus stones, food, skills, etc.

I found my recovery requirement in PvP is only 2k compared to 3k in PvE. Why? Because if some player requires so much stamina to kill, it's best I run and hide...

Metemsycosis · August 2021

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gariondavey · August 2021

If you want to play a hybrid in PvP definitely don't use tbs. Heartland conq+new moon is solid, hc + stuhns as well. Make sure to play on dk or sorc or warden. Dk is easiest with flames of oblivion + molten armaments

Togal · August 2021

TBS is extremely outdated, also personally I feel that Hack The Minotaur's builds are super strange.

Zama666 · August 2021

Metemsycosis wrote: »

TBS + shacklebreaker can be pretty good but damage is a little underwhelming

check out:

dark elf or khajiit
5 pelinal aptitude
5 clever alchemist (one-bar), + berserker enchant
2 engine guardian
1 piece arena weapon

triglyph everything
all triune or infused jewelry

full weapon damage glyphs
lover, lady, shadow, steed, thief, lord mundus are all hybrid mundus stones

bewitched sugar skulls, jewels of misrule are nice food options.
tri pots are pretty necessary.

What about penetration vs damage glyphs?

moo_2021 · August 2021

Zama666 wrote: »

What about penetration vs damage glyphs?

Use the build editor and you'll see. It also depends on other skills, gears, enchants etc. Both are beneficial, penetration seems easier to achieve, but if your target's resist is over 40-50K pen meaningless since resist-pen > 33k cap.

I wouldn't go to PvP without a strong defensive set however, because that's exactly how I could kill someone by merely 3-4 gap closer strikes, and the chance a gap closer could hit is very high in melee range (not really gap closing but I can't hit anyone with normal melee).

moo_2021 · August 2021

The other stat you might go for is crit. Crit helps both spell and physical damage and it's not irrelevant in PvP if you can push to like 100% crit damage, which after 2k crit resistance would still be 70%.

BTW the mystic ring Torc of Tonal Constancy was mentioned to help resource management with hybrid build. I've been trying to get it myself but no success.

Metemsycosis · August 2021

Zama666 wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

TBS + shacklebreaker can be pretty good but damage is a little underwhelming

check out:

dark elf or khajiit
5 pelinal aptitude
5 clever alchemist (one-bar), + berserker enchant
2 engine guardian
1 piece arena weapon

triglyph everything
all triune or infused jewelry

full weapon damage glyphs
lover, lady, shadow, steed, thief, lord mundus are all hybrid mundus stones

bewitched sugar skulls, jewels of misrule are nice food options.
tri pots are pretty necessary.

What about penetration vs damage glyphs?

depends if you have healing on damage bar. if not sharpened. if so, nirn.

if you go the heartland conqueror route, with a DW set up you can run both. nirn main, sharpened secondary.

precise would probably be good too if you are running heartland and khajiit

Vylaera · August 2021

I think a good question to ask would be: why specifically are you trying to hybrid build?

There's almost always a magicka or stamina equivalent for every niche role an ability might serve.

It's always better to stack into either magicka stats or stamina stats. Spreading thin means you have less damage potential and can also mean your defensive abilities are not as powerful unless they're a major/minor buff. Shields are a good example of this, more magicka = more shield.

I'm not saying you can't hybrid build, and some good sets have been recommended here already, but I don't really see the necessity to.

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom · August 2021

Twice-Born Star is surprisingly good for Werewolf PvP where you need tri stats and Atronach+Serpent sustain.

Zama666 · August 2021

BroughBreaux wrote: »

I think a good question to ask would be: why specifically are you trying to hybrid build?

There's almost always a magicka or stamina equivalent for every niche role an ability might serve.

It's always better to stack into either magicka stats or stamina stats. Spreading thin means you have less damage potential and can also mean your defensive abilities are not as powerful unless they're a major/minor buff. Shields are a good example of this, more magicka = more shield.

I'm not saying you can't hybrid build, and some good sets have been recommended here already, but I don't really see the necessity to.

What you said makes total sense, I think that is more of what i mean than 'hybrid'. perhaps I am fixing on hybrid vs meta.

Stx · August 2021

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Twice-Born Star is surprisingly good for Werewolf PvP where you need tri stats and Atronach+Serpent sustain.

Hmm. I had never thought of that. Even so, being forced to run divines makes me feel like that would just be be worse version of eternal vigor.