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Can we stop streak BS?
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✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Sorc is not a brawler class.
Every class can have brawlers. Its gear question.
I've got to come back to this. The Sorcerer class is not designed, within the class, to be a brawler. From skills to passives, it is not designed to stand and fight toe to toe with others. It's meant to be quick and bursty and agile. Taking away the agility and quickness would make sorcs overall useless. Especially with the changes to light armor and damage taken. Especially with the nerfing of shields. Especially when the burst is the most highly telegraphed burst in the game. Sorcs are meant to be played at range and are meant to move in and out of battle quickly. That is how the class was built. Just like templar were built, from the ground up, to stand their ground and take a beating.
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✭As a main for 4 years. Streak needs NO adjustments. But dark deal does as it completely mitigates the ramping cost for streak for little repercussions. Thats it. Do not touch streak. We NEED it. We are NOT a class that can just stand and eat damage like other classes in most PvP situations. To compensate for the adjustment to dark deal give us some buffs in defence in our passives. We have 0 self burst heal besides a pet which can die. We have 0 defensive passives and we don't have cleanse. The only thing that kept sorcerers alive after murkmire was streak because sheilds were gutted and have been gutted further. You want to nerf streak itself? By all means do so, but you best give us our shields back.
I can run you out of resources spamming dark deal and trying to streak away. Every stam class is equipped to catch up to a streaking sorc. We are not in murkmire
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ImSoPro✭✭✭techprince wrote: »
True, purge costs a lot but on the classes with their own purge fighting a sorc is easy. Cooldown on pots is long but that’s ok because the goal is to avoid the first streak or two and burst the sorc down to get them on defensive mode. If you can keep the pressure up after that it’s just a matter of the sorc running out of mag re casting shields.
And if you have no purge then the only option is to outheal the curse damage which can also be done if you manage to avoid too many frags to the face. WITH a purge and immovable pots you can eat frags to the face and still beat a sorc 1v1.0 -
Marcus_Aurelius✭✭✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »I can run you out of resources spamming dark deal and trying to streak away. Every stam class is equipped to catch up to a streaking sorc. We are not in murkmire
Players are fairly competent on PC NA or EU
How am I supposed to catch up with a streaking sorc?
Gap closer do not work because they need a target end he will be already out of range.
Sprinting all the time will deplete my stamina and as a stamina char what skill I will then use to fight him?
The only way would be to build specifically for speed but having to do that just shows how op streak is.
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »I can run you out of resources spamming dark deal and trying to streak away. Every stam class is equipped to catch up to a streaking sorc. We are not in murkmire
Players are fairly competent on PC NA or EU
How am I supposed to catch up with a streaking sorc?
Gap closer do not work because they need a target end he will be already out of range.
Sprinting all the time will deplete my stamina and as a stamina char what skill I will then use to fight him?
The only way would be to build specifically for speed but having to do that just shows how op streak is.
Streak's distance is 15m, and there is a delay before it fires, and after the animation finishes before you can move again .
Most gap-closers are 22m (and many come with a stun).
Streak has a ramping cost, gap-closers don't.
If someone is spamming gap-closers, it is impossible to escape them with streak alone (unless you get lucky with lag).
Escaping with streak also involves a source of major exped, a dodge-roll or two, a ton of mag recov to sustain the ramping cost for long enough and enough stam recov to sustain the dodge/sprints too.
Unless you first streak through your opponent and get a stun, which means you need to ensure he doesn't have immunity first - so requires a modicum of awareness. Of course that generally only works vs only one opponent.
So if a Sorc invests in two mobility skills (streak+ boundless), and sustain for BOTH resources just to facilitate escapes - why shouldn't they be able to escape somebody who doesn't invest in mobility/sustain to chase?
Edited by Biro123 on 5 August 2021 09:25Minalan owes me a beer.
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Viewsfrom6ix✭✭✭✭✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »I can run you out of resources spamming dark deal and trying to streak away. Every stam class is equipped to catch up to a streaking sorc. We are not in murkmire
Players are fairly competent on PC NA or EU
How am I supposed to catch up with a streaking sorc?
Gap closer do not work because they need a target end he will be already out of range.
Sprinting all the time will deplete my stamina and as a stamina char what skill I will then use to fight him?
The only way would be to build specifically for speed but having to do that just shows how op streak is.
Is the skill OP because you can't catch a streaking sorc?4 -
AdamLAD✭✭✭✭✭Why do so many people ask for nerfs but offer no solutions or workarounds. If you have the capacity to ask for nerfs at least have the capacity to suggest competent solutions/workarounds or alternatives. Whilst I totally agree some things just need a flat out nerf as its literally completely busted and broken. But streak isn't. Its just annoying to many.5
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Marcus_Aurelius✭✭✭✭✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Is the skill OP because you can't catch a streaking sorc?
It is OP because it allows you to reset a fight you were going to lose.
In any other class you die, in a sorc you just streak away.
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✭✭✭✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Is the skill OP because you can't catch a streaking sorc?
It is OP because it allows you to reset a fight you were going to lose.
In any other class you die, in a sorc you just streak away.
You have to wonder though - is the reason WHY they were going to lose that they invested so much of their build into mobility rather than straight face-tanking damage/defence ?Minalan owes me a beer.
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Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why do so many people ask for nerfs but offer no solutions or workarounds. If you have the capacity to ask for nerfs at least have the capacity to suggest competent solutions/workarounds or alternatives. Whilst I totally agree some things just need a flat out nerf as its literally completely busted and broken. But streak isn't. Its just annoying to many.
Because usually they have never played the class or used the skill so they are misinformed and have nothing to contribute to back up their nerf demands. If they just spent even half the time they do complaining in the forums and learning game mechanics instead they would realize how easy these things are to counter and would become better players in the process.
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techprince✭✭✭✭✭How about this, if you think streak isnt overloaded, lets give everyone streak like ability via Psijic Skill line with AOE unavoidable stun and a gap closer with ramping cost.Edited by techprince on 5 August 2021 19:261 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »How about this, if you think streak isnt overloaded, lets give everyone streak like ability via Psijic Skill line with AOE unavoidable stun and a gap closer with ramping cost.
I main DK and I don't think it's overloaded. If anything I want them to streak towards me as I have a Fossilize with their name on it. Lately with some help from others I've also been using Unrelenting Grip which comes with major expedition on top of it. Combine it with Leap and you can really chase down these streaking sorcerers.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK6 -
Andre_Noir✭✭✭✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Is the skill OP because you can't catch a streaking sorc?
It is OP because it allows you to reset a fight you were going to lose.
In any other class you die, in a sorc you just streak away.
You have to wonder though - is the reason WHY they were going to lose that they invested so much of their build into mobility rather than straight face-tanking damage/defence ?
LOL you wil be surprised but sorcs have a luxury to invest only one stat for boosting every aspect1 -
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✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Is the skill OP because you can't catch a streaking sorc?
It is OP because it allows you to reset a fight you were going to lose.
In any other class you die, in a sorc you just streak away.
I'm sure this question was posed before, but so what if a sorc is able to streak away from a fight they were going to lose.
It's not like they won that fight or get AP for escaping, and not every encounter in a PVP environment has to end in a kill.
Once in a BG on my Magplar I was at a flag when a StamDK from one of the other teams came at me. Now, my Magplar build at the time was squishier, and I knew I wasn't going to win the fight 1-on-1, so I decided to flee as best I could to join my team or go ahead to a different flag. The StamDK decided to chase me halfway across Istirus Outpost in order to secure that kill, which he did. However, the real winner was the third team who came to the flag the StamDK left empty and ended up winning the match.
In BGs and Cyrodiil, a fleeing opponent means an objective that has either been abandoned defenseless or an attempt at securing an objective that has been abandoned. The fleeing opponent is no longer defending the keep nor are they attempting to take a resource. And if it is a temporary pause in attack/defense, they will be returning to an opponent who could withstand their offense and put them to a point where their best option was flee.
So, Sorcs as a class have mobility and an ability that aids in escaping a fight.
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Merforum✭✭✭✭✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Is the skill OP because you can't catch a streaking sorc?
It is OP because it allows you to reset a fight you were going to lose.
In any other class you die, in a sorc you just streak away.techprince wrote: »How about this, if you think streak isnt overloaded, lets give everyone streak like ability via Psijic Skill line with AOE unavoidable stun and a gap closer with ramping cost.
I main DK and I don't think it's overloaded. If anything I want them to streak towards me as I have a Fossilize with their name on it. Lately with some help from others I've also been using Unrelenting Grip which comes with major expedition on top of it. Combine it with Leap and you can really chase down these streaking sorcerers.
I play all classes and on a typical day while testing a build can use all 6 classes with same build, and what I can say is Sorc is EASY MODE in PVP with biggest difference being streak + dark deal. My DK is almost always the worst of bunch because fossilize/unrelenting/etc require targeting and fail half the time. Streak is just point and shoot. Sorc can essentially do anything any other class can do and ALSO get away very easily.
I am actually not calling for any nerfs because I love easy mode PVP sometimes but there are some common sense things that can be done so it isn't so overloaded. Most sensible I think would be to reduce distance on streak to 5-8 mtr while BOL can be 15-22, so 1 for offense 1 for defense. And/or remove stun from streak since there's already rune prison (which should also be made undodgeable to compare with fossilize).0 -
Viewsfrom6ix✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »How about this, if you think streak isnt overloaded, lets give everyone streak like ability via Psijic Skill line with AOE unavoidable stun and a gap closer with ramping cost.
You're missing the point. It's not about streak as a single entity but how it functions in a class as a whole.
It is like having a really good player on a mediocre sports team. The only reason this team can compete with other teams is because of this one player.
Same logic applies to the sorc class. It is only viable in PvP because of streak and dark deal.
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Resetting a fight comes with opportunity loss. They lose the ability to do damage and support teammates.Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Is the skill OP because you can't catch a streaking sorc?
It is OP because it allows you to reset a fight you were going to lose.
In any other class you die, in a sorc you just streak away.
Sorcs wouldn't need to be run away if they had better built-in mitigation.
A tankier class like warden and necro can help the team take hits and heal the team while they're dying. They might die at the end but he was able to be present in the fight and support their team.Edited by Viewsfrom6ix on 5 August 2021 22:372 -
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✭✭And/or remove stun from streak since there's already rune prison (which should also be made undodgeable to compare with fossilize).
We already had unavoidable rune cage, it was a bad idea at the time and it is a bad idea now.Politeness is respecting others.
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✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Is the skill OP because you can't catch a streaking sorc?
It is OP because it allows you to reset a fight you were going to lose.
In any other class you die, in a sorc you just streak away.
Any other stam spec can just sit there and face tank damage from a sorc. That's not OP right?10 -
Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »How about this, if you think streak isnt overloaded, lets give everyone streak like ability via Psijic Skill line with AOE unavoidable stun and a gap closer with ramping cost.
I so want this too. I bet you 1 dollar everyone would use it from day one
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NagualV✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »How about this, if you think streak isnt overloaded, lets give everyone streak like ability via Psijic Skill line with AOE unavoidable stun and a gap closer with ramping cost.
I so want this too. I bet you 1 dollar everyone would use it from day one
Why dont you all just play/main sorc then?7 -
Luede✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »How about this, if you think streak isnt overloaded, lets give everyone streak like ability via Psijic Skill line with AOE unavoidable stun and a gap closer with ramping cost.
maybe u should play a sorc without streak and show us all what mastermind u are.4 -
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✭✭✭techprince wrote: »How about this, if you think streak isnt overloaded, lets give everyone streak like ability via Psijic Skill line with AOE unavoidable stun and a gap closer with ramping cost.
Instead you have this from the secluded wizards:
Bend time and space around you to gain Major Expedition for 4 seconds and Minor Force for 12 seconds, increasing your Movement Speed by 30% and Critical Damage by 10%. Activating this ability removes all snares and immobilizations from you and grants immunity to them for 2 seconds.
I don't use my sorc as much as I used to after hitting GO. Race Against Time has been my 'streak replacement' on other classes lol. It fits very well with specs meant to hit n run, an IMO it is a better escape/reset tool than streak (I don't use ball of light). For me, its simply that my stam toons can speed burst with RAT to escape or line of sight more reliably with better control than my magsorc. More people give up chasing after my Stamcro in 5 medium using RAT than my cloaking Mag/Stamblade or MagSorc. You just have to know terrain and where to go, which is almost impossible to factor into these conversations.
There is a kind of mass hysteria over cloak and streak lol. Whole groups of people lose their minds over it sometimes.
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✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »techprince wrote: »How about this, if you think streak isnt overloaded, lets give everyone streak like ability via Psijic Skill line with AOE unavoidable stun and a gap closer with ramping cost.
You're missing the point. It's not about streak as a single entity but how it functions in a class as a whole.
It is like having a really good player on a mediocre sports team. The only reason this team can compete with other teams is because of this one player.
Same logic applies to the sorc class. It is only viable in PvP because of streak and dark deal.
Sorc is literally the class that has highest density of great skills. Frags, minefield, curse, matriarch, wards, aegis, endless fury, lightning forms, surge, AND dark deal and streak. It is the class where competition for bar space is real.
There are classes that are good only because of 1 skill, but they are definitely not sorc.Why do so many people ask for nerfs but offer no solutions or workarounds. If you have the capacity to ask for nerfs at least have the capacity to suggest competent solutions/workarounds or alternatives. Whilst I totally agree some things just need a flat out nerf as its literally completely busted and broken. But streak isn't. Its just annoying to many.
Because usually they have never played the class or used the skill so they are misinformed and have nothing to contribute to back up their nerf demands. If they just spent even half the time they do complaining in the forums and learning game mechanics instead they would realize how easy these things are to counter and would become better players in the process.
Or maybe because this thread is full of salty sorc mains who don't want their broken tools nerfed
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✭✭✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »techprince wrote: »How about this, if you think streak isnt overloaded, lets give everyone streak like ability via Psijic Skill line with AOE unavoidable stun and a gap closer with ramping cost.
You're missing the point. It's not about streak as a single entity but how it functions in a class as a whole.
It is like having a really good player on a mediocre sports team. The only reason this team can compete with other teams is because of this one player.
Same logic applies to the sorc class. It is only viable in PvP because of streak and dark deal.
Sorc is literally the class that has highest density of great skills. Frags, minefield, curse, matriarch, wards, aegis, endless fury, lightning forms, surge, AND dark deal and streak. It is the class where competition for bar space is real.
There are classes that are good only because of 1 skill, but they are definitely not sorc.Why do so many people ask for nerfs but offer no solutions or workarounds. If you have the capacity to ask for nerfs at least have the capacity to suggest competent solutions/workarounds or alternatives. Whilst I totally agree some things just need a flat out nerf as its literally completely busted and broken. But streak isn't. Its just annoying to many.
Because usually they have never played the class or used the skill so they are misinformed and have nothing to contribute to back up their nerf demands. If they just spent even half the time they do complaining in the forums and learning game mechanics instead they would realize how easy these things are to counter and would become better players in the process.
Or maybe because this thread is full of salty sorc mains who don't want their broken tools nerfed
Haven’t played sorc in over a year, nice try though lol. Personally I just see no reason to nerf something that isn’t op and easily countered. All it does is result in all the classes being the same with no diversity and does nothing to benefit the game.
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✭✭✭✭✭Also not a Sorc main in PVP. I have more playtime on Templar and Nightblade in PVP than Sorc. And actually prefer Magden and Magcrow in PVP, although haven't played enough of them yet.
I just understand the strengths and weaknesses of the class. And am currently working on my PVE main to get to Grand Overlord since I am trying to do everything on the character. Spending that time in PVP on the class, actually playing it and playing every other class, is far more experience than raging against it without ever seriously playing it.1 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Also haven't played Sorc in about 3 years, *shrug*Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭Honestly I don't understand the argument. I am no PvP "leet", and I tend to die more than I kill in Cyro, so for me the whole issue is moot. Any class can kill my characters, with or without streak. Should I start a new thread for every class (including the ones I play) to ask for nerfs for all? Of course not. I am simply not that good at PvP. I can deal with it. So can you.4 -
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✭✭✭✭Surprised I haven’t memed this thread yet.
Sorcerer's pretty much been the same for years. Nerf Rush of Agony and Saints&Seducer's3