I agree that the faction that has the most "real estate" gets the most buffs is wrong.

To balance this each asset you take off an opponent makes it harder for you not easier, think of it like lengthening supply lines it gets more difficult the longer they are.

Plus the less you have the harder it should be to take it, if you own everything but the last keep on the map the defenders of that keep get huge buffs.

The reward for taking keeps should be ap, the more you have the more ap you earn but it gets more difficult each subsequent keep.

If your faction loses a scroll you get the buff not the faction that took it.

The rewards for taking stuff is still there and the increased challenge in taking assets is surely better than taking the next empty keep.

As for the hammer - bin it.

I feel like each fight should have a value to that fights stats. The more engagement the more reward... in counter however does this then punish small scalers?

I think rewarding AP is a really good idea.

Maybe you lose X% WD/SD, or resists, or something, maybe the faction those scrolls belong to get enraged and gain X% of Y stat. Idk.

My only concern with this, is that there would be pretty much no benefit to capturing scrolls so no one would do it. Scroll runs are fun

I think that removing the low pop bonus, and weighting the scoring depending on the number of players online are both good suggestions.

Easily testable I would imagine also.

My personal opinion is that emp stat bonuses and hammer are both cancer. Otherwise I'm okay with the system. The issue with going full ap know for scoring is that boosters will destroy the system more than they already do.

Emp stat bonus should buff the emp only. For the rest of the alliance buff app.

Hammer needs to go. It usually just ends up in the hands of the most popular alliance and they use it to further their hold on the campaign.

Or if you want to keep hammer, only let one person hold it and decrease the AP burn, letting them hold it longer. Once it's dropped, it goes bye bye. No more sending spies to steal it just to have it over to the dominant alliance.

Wonder if its possible for them to split the campaign somehow. Like have it broken up into 12 hour blocks and basically have 2 different scores on the one campaign, when the 12 hours for the campaign segment scoring is up the next one begins.

Main issue with campaigns imho are score boards manipulations.

Mostly those are caused by night / morning capping. If one faction does that, it is devastating towards campaign balance in the long run.

What happens is that faction exploits how scoring system works to their advantage and they "paint" the map, either late at night or/and early in the morning. Of course, they meet no resistance and they effectively do PvE that later gives them huge advantage and decides who wins a PvP campaign.

Also, in the long run, if they keep doing it for 2 or 3 campaigns, players from other faction usually flock to the winning faction as it gives them benefits (scroll buffs, emp, map control so they can do quests and if they stay late - 100% chance to get skyshards that are behind gates).

I do believe that scoring (to clarify: potential points and NOT AP) should be dependent on population (attackers vs defenders). So you would get less points per objective if your faction has higher population vs underdog faction objective of which you are capturing. This could work in a very simple way. Depending on the population difference, in a most drastic scenario, when attacking faction is locked and defending faction is empty, attackers would get 10x less potential points per objective. So to have 1 point - they will have to capture 10 enemy objectives. The closer population difference is, the less the penalty is. For example 10x, 5x, 3x, 2x, 1x etc. The way to reset this penalty would be to lose an objective & re-take it later, when populations are more or less equall. This would not affect your native objectives and it would not affect AP gain. Also, it would require re-scaling 3 bar pop into 5 or 10 bar pop indicator.

As for the low population point bonus... I guess it should be changed to only apply to the loosing alliance (3rd place) or removed entirely. To many times I have seen factions exploiting it and ending up on 2nd or even 1st place. AFK = Win / not lose feels wrong imho. Either way, it should have more restrictions (for example it would be gone if it would mean faction has "hopped" 1 place up in the score boards).

Low population needs to be suspended until ZOS can figure out how to implement correctly. It is abused more often than helpful. Just tonight in GH, 2 factions with 2-3 bars fought each others for hours while the 3rd with 1 bar sat idle with a few home keeps and their scrolls. The 2 actually taking and defending keeps averaged 100-150 campaign points and the low pop faction about 305 for essentially doing nothing except making sure people didn't log in.

Last campaign, some players in my guild from an opposing faction said their faction, who was well behind, were told to intentionally log out a few min before eval and wait 5 min than come back in. They repeated this through the night. This was wildly discussed in our zone chat the next day as a 1600 point margin was made up despite no scrolls or map domination.

I doubt that any one faction is more guilty than another, but the fact that campaign points are this easy to exploit is ridiculous.

Most don't really care about campaign scores, quite frankly, rewards are really bad so its just faction pride. But if you are not going to fix low pop bonus, please just remove it.

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Low population needs to be suspended until ZOS can figure out how to implement correctly. It is abused more often than helpful. Just tonight in GH, 2 factions with 2-3 bars fought each others for hours while the 3rd with 1 bar sat idle with a few home keeps and their scrolls. The 2 actually taking and defending keeps averaged 100-150 campaign points and the low pop faction about 305 for essentially doing nothing except making sure people didn't log in.

Last campaign, some players in my guild from an opposing faction said their faction, who was well behind, were told to intentionally log out a few min before eval and wait 5 min than come back in. They repeated this through the night. This was wildly discussed in our zone chat the next day as a 1600 point margin was made up despite no scrolls or map domination.

I doubt that any one faction is more guilty than another, but the fact that campaign points are this easy to exploit is ridiculous.

Most don't really care about campaign scores, quite frankly, rewards are really bad so its just faction pride. But if you are not going to fix low pop bonus, please just remove it.

I'm not sure it works that way but let's assume it does. A very simple fix to stop that particular abuse would be for the server to do population checks every 2 to 5 minutes rather than once an hour when determining low pop bonus. I would think it would already work this way, but if not that fixes it, unless a faction wants to do nothing but continuously log in and out all night and nothing else.