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ZOS, you lost a few hundred bucks from me....oops

marshill88
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Not like my measly money makes a difference, esp since Microsoft paid 7 billion for you, but still....

I wanted to rush my crafting skils, going for achievements so I had it all planned out how I was going to have all traits researched in all crafting lines in just 3 weeks, using a combination of grand research scrolls (bought in the store for 5k crowns each), instant no-cooldown scrolls (400 crowns), daily research scrolls, and crown gem 7 day global scrolls. I had already bought 6 of the 1 day scrolls for 2400 crowns, and bought two stacks of 15 crates to rack up over 300 gems, enough for 3 of the 7 day major scrolls.

Then, as I was going through the achievements, I noticed there is actually no achievement whatsoever for researching all traits. Lol! I couldn't believe it. So I quickly put a halt on that plan. All in all, I spent a little money on the 14k crowns, (and I have 300 crown gems to spend) but nowhere near as much as I would have spent getting all my traits researched. I enjoy ticking off achievement boxes and I still am surprised that there is no achievement for having all of your traits researched on all items.
Edited by marshill88 on 25 July 2021 07:45
  • Sheezabeast
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    ...the achievement is being able to craft 9-trait sets. Completionist deep sigh of relief. Being able to make any trait of any piece of armor or weapon.

    The 14k you didn't spend instantly got absorbed by the hundreds of thousands of people buying tons of Peddler crates and Jodes Embrace home. Your 14k is not felt by them.
    Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!
  • FluffyBird
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    That's some mythic-level nitpicking
  • marshill88
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    ...the achievement is being able to craft 9-trait sets. Completionist deep sigh of relief. Being able to make any trait of any piece of armor or weapon.

    The 14k you didn't spend instantly got absorbed by the hundreds of thousands of people buying tons of Peddler crates and Jodes Embrace home. Your 14k is not felt by them.

    You are absolutely right. It's not felt by them i know they couldn't care less about my 14k but hey, with 300 crown gems, I'm on my way to a new radiant mount :)
  • Michae
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    So you care about some checkbox in the game enough to pay hundreds of Dollars for it? I researched my traits without spending any money just to get acces to crafting sets, couldn't care less about achievements. ;)
    "I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
    Sotha Sil

    @Michae PC/EU
  • FluffWit
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    I remember when I first hit 9 traits 6 years ago. Then I looked at sets and was like "that's it? Really?" For something I put so much effort into it was rather underwhelming.

    Not that I'm saying it's not worth- never having to ask for help is great, but just be patient, you'll get there eventually
  • Lady_Galadhiel
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    Took me a year to research all traits on everything on one toon only using the free research scrolls from daily rewards.
    Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
    ESO plus status: Cancelled
    ESO currently uninstalled.
  • tsaescishoeshiner
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    I think there's a chiller and more effective way to say that you'd like a 100% trait achievement, and would spend money on it.

    Technically, it'd have to be 1 for Jewelry Crafting, and 1 for the basegame ones. I don't care about achievements at all, but I wouldn't say no to a new dye for earning these ones ...
    PC-NA
    in-game: @tsaescishoeshiner
  • starkerealm
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    FluffWit wrote: »
    I remember when I first hit 9 traits 6 years ago. Then I looked at sets and was like "that's it? Really?" For something I put so much effort into it was rather underwhelming.

    Not that I'm saying it's not worth- never having to ask for help is great, but just be patient, you'll get there eventually

    Yeah, with the exception of (maybe) Armor Master (back in the day) and New Moon's Acolyte (before it got nerfed), the 9 trait sets have been consistently disappointing.
  • Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo
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    Michae wrote: »
    So you care about some checkbox in the game enough to pay hundreds of Dollars for it? I researched my traits without spending any money just to get acces to crafting sets, couldn't care less about achievements. ;)

    Yes, agreed that is a bit expensive. You could do daily writs for the 'researching scrolls'.
    This is why I find crown store to be rather misleading.
    Back in the day I'd sit down with a friendly guild mate player who had a bit more advance in the game than I did and we'd go through all the missing traits/skill lines, I hope those people still exist in game and they haven't been replaced by a companion with oven mits on 'can't help, sorry!' *jokes*
    Edited by Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo on 25 July 2021 13:53
  • waterfairy
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    so you were prepared to spend "a few hundred bucks" on an achievement? :astonished:
  • Ringing_Nirnroot
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    Wish I was that rich lmao
  • whitecrow
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    Why would you buy any of that stuff when they give it to you free every day for logging in?

  • Sanctum74
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    Is it really an achievement though if you can buy it?
  • AlnilamE
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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Is it really an achievement though if you can buy it?

    Pretty much this.
    The Moot Councillor
  • Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo
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    Poor guy...fell into the crown store trap.
    No it's not an achievement if you can buy it, agreed.
  • Kalik_Gold
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    Being able to craft my own gear at my guild house. Enhance them to Gold tier. Enchant. And theory craft on my own.

    Best thing in this game.

    (Mixing in Trial sets for my PVE guys, and Overland/Dungeon/Arena/Mythic sets on my PvP guys as needed)
    Main: (PvP & PvE)
    Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige

    PvP:
    Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
    Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
    Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
    Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
    Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer

    PvP: (Specialty)
    Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
    Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
    Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
    Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
    Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer

    PvE:
    Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
    Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight (Damage)
    Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
    Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden (One-Bar)
    Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)

    Leveling...
    Two-Big-Horns an Argonian Arcanist
    Styx of Akatosh a Goblin* Arcanist
    Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
    Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
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    Passives of another race used. (RP)
    *Breton
    **Imperial




    __________________________Backstories:_________________________

    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
    PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
    Returning player - 2017-2022, back in 25'
  • Malpheus_Prime
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    Crafting is almost purely for leveling a toon at this point, I very seldomnly have a crafted set as end game on a toon.
  • VaranisArano
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    A member of the ZOS Accounting Department sprints into the Devs' offices. "Quick! Someone design an achievement for researching every trait in the game! We need a couple hundred more bucks and we've got a player ready to pay!"

    Someone asks, "What do we need a couple hundred bucks for?"

    "Well, we still owe the Marketing Department beer from the last time a player complained that the Craft Bag is a subscriber-only perk."
  • sarahthes
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    Crafting is almost purely for leveling a toon at this point, I very seldomnly have a crafted set as end game on a toon.

    Not even mechanical acuity for trash? That set is pretty meta for most trials... (unless you are on console, in which case, my condolences for not having one-button loadout changes).
  • VaranisArano
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    Incidentally, the last time I did my math on purely paying your way towards full research traits on Blacksmithing, Clothing, and Woodworking, it would cost around 300,000+ Crowns using only Crown Research Scrolls. (Roughly $2000 if crowns aren't on sale.) Quite the outlay to instantly become a 9-trait master crafter.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/399756/pay-to-win-the-math-on-research-scrolls/p1
  • mazeikeen
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    Hey OP if you still have that money lying around I could use some extra cash 🙃 It would be put to way better use than an arbitrary in-game achievement I promise
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    Covenant at heart.
  • Iarao
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    marshill88 wrote: »
    Not like my measly money makes a difference, esp since Microsoft paid 7 billion for you, but still....

    I wanted to rush my crafting skils, going for achievements so I had it all planned out how I was going to have all traits researched in all crafting lines in just 3 weeks, using a combination of grand research scrolls (bought in the store for 5k crowns each), instant no-cooldown scrolls (400 crowns), daily research scrolls, and crown gem 7 day global scrolls. I had already bought 6 of the 1 day scrolls for 2400 crowns, and bought two stacks of 15 crates to rack up over 300 gems, enough for 3 of the 7 day major scrolls.

    Then, as I was going through the achievements, I noticed there is actually no achievement whatsoever for researching all traits. Lol! I couldn't believe it. So I quickly put a halt on that plan. All in all, I spent a little money on the 14k crowns, (and I have 300 crown gems to spend) but nowhere near as much as I would have spent getting all my traits researched. I enjoy ticking off achievement boxes and I still am surprised that there is no achievement for having all of your traits researched on all items.

    delteted
    Edited by Iarao on 25 July 2021 17:52
  • Kiralyn2000
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    Ignoring the part where I just don't understand this level of 'achievement chasing'...


    ...wouldn't you check that an achievement exists, before forming an elaborate & expensive plan for how to get it?
  • JKorr
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    Gee. Golly. Well, there is Trait Master that mentions it specifically. You even get a dye for researching every trait at least once.

    There are a few achievements relating to crafting. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Crafting_Achievements
    A lot more than I want to copy, actually.

    Silly ZOS for not realizing when the game started that they'd expand the crafting as much as they have. Tsk, tsk, tsk. /sarcasm
  • kargen27
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    Michae wrote: »
    So you care about some checkbox in the game enough to pay hundreds of Dollars for it? I researched my traits without spending any money just to get acces to crafting sets, couldn't care less about achievements. ;)

    I could see someone wanting access to all the crafting sets using the crown store to get there. I wouldn't do it but I can see why others might.
    What does confuse me is using the crown store to get an achievement, seems kind of backwards. But players pay a lot of gold to get trial carries for a title so...
    and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."
  • bmnoble
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    I never see the point in spending real money to get an achievement, defeats the purpose to me, its no different than someone buying a fancy trophy for themselves in real life, with "I have money" on the plaque.

    There are plenty of 9 trait crafters out there if someone just wanted a set made, no need to waste money on those research scrolls at all.
  • TwiceBornStar
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    There are plenty of things you can not buy. The satisfaction of knowing you've achieved something all by yourself would be one of them.

    Not that I never buy anything!

  • StevieKingslayer
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    Lmao Im an achievement hunter myself but thats a bit overboard bud :D
    I am demanding better customer service from Zenimax Studios.
    I am demanding better and more open communication between the devs & the playerbase.
    Majin Stevie || Iothane || Nymphetamine
    PVP || PVE
    Player since beta.
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