There is one thing that's keeping me from playing IC

divnyi · June 2021

And it's players.

Nobody. Ever. Gathers. Groups.
Even when lots of players play.
Even when you are very far from total map control.

Why? Don't you want to gather one strong force and steamroll all the keeps? It doesn't make sense.

Scallan · June 2021

There was literally a horde of EP last evening rolling on people though lol

Grimlok_S · June 2021

divnyi wrote: »

And it's players.

Nobody. Ever. Gathers. Groups.
Even when lots of players play.
Even when you are very far from total map control.

Why? Don't you want to gather one strong force and steamroll all the keeps? It doesn't make sense.

No. Zerging IC doesn't make sense. Every additional member you intentionally bring means less Telvar for you.

divnyi · June 2021

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Zerging IC doesn't make sense. Every additional member you intentionally bring means less Telvar for you.

That's IF you are fighting bosses, and not players to dominate the map.

If you are not fighting players and go straight for the bosses, you aren't getting much too because each keep increases percentage of telvars gained.

Goregrinder · June 2021

If I'm in IC, it's usually because I'm on my Gankblade anyways, which does not require a group at all.

Grimlok_S · June 2021

divnyi wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Zerging IC doesn't make sense. Every additional member you intentionally bring means less Telvar for you.

That's IF you are fighting bosses, and not players to dominate the map.

If you are not fighting players and go straight for the bosses, you aren't getting much too because each keep increases percentage of telvars gained.

No, that includes fighting players. Any Telvar gained on kill is distributed evenly to your team. The fewer in a group the better. Best results solo.

Waffennacht · June 2021

I dont think out numbering players and killing them to be fun?

Id rather 1v1 or 1vX

Giraffon · June 2021

Hah! Fighting in IC. My experience goes like this:

I got this. Trash mobs tel var, taking a flag all by myself. Yep. I'm the guy. Oh, here comes a blue player (usually it's blue). I got this.

(1 second passes)

What happened? I'm dead. Was there a fight?

The level of fun I can have in IC pretty much corresponds to how long I can go before an enemy player sees me.

divnyi · June 2021

Grimlok_S wrote: »

No, that includes fighting players. Any Telvar gained on kill is distributed evenly to your team. The fewer in a group the better. Best results solo.

No telvar is gained during keep fights because nobody carries telvars into the keep fights.

divnyi · June 2021

Waffennacht wrote: »

I dont think out numbering players and killing them to be fun?

People literally sit in cyro for days because of this. IC gives this experience with less riding. Except greed of ppl playing IC discourages them from making a party, because uh telvars.

divnyi · June 2021

Goregrinder wrote: »

If I'm in IC, it's usually because I'm on my Gankblade anyways, which does not require a group at all.

And then people are crying that IC is gankblade fest. Well sure, because IC solo is not enjoyable for anyone but gankblades.

jaws343 · June 2021

divnyi wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

If I'm in IC, it's usually because I'm on my Gankblade anyways, which does not require a group at all.

And then people are crying that IC is gankblade fest. Well sure, because IC solo is not enjoyable for anyone but gankblades.

I enjoy it solo on nearly every class.

Goregrinder · June 2021

divnyi wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

If I'm in IC, it's usually because I'm on my Gankblade anyways, which does not require a group at all.

And then people are crying that IC is gankblade fest. Well sure, because IC solo is not enjoyable for anyone but gankblades.

I don't know about other players, but I enjoy IC on other classes too. My Harbinger Necro was fun solo, same with my Stam DK/WW.

Scallan · June 2021

divnyi wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

If I'm in IC, it's usually because I'm on my Gankblade anyways, which does not require a group at all.

And then people are crying that IC is gankblade fest. Well sure, because IC solo is not enjoyable for anyone but gankblades.

I main magicka and stamina NB, and as a gankblade, I love IC for this reason. I absolutely love killing other NB's. Nothing is more satisfying to me honestly.

Grimlok_S · June 2021

divnyi wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

No, that includes fighting players. Any Telvar gained on kill is distributed evenly to your team. The fewer in a group the better. Best results solo.

No telvar is gained during keep fights because nobody carries telvars into the keep fights.

The same group-share applies to AP gained on kills. Split evenly among group members so the same logic applies, smaller the better.
Regardless, you made this thread about IC, please keep on topic.

divnyi wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

If I'm in IC, it's usually because I'm on my Gankblade anyways, which does not require a group at all.

And then people are crying that IC is gankblade fest. Well sure, because IC solo is not enjoyable for anyone but gankblades.

Det pots. Get them, use them. Most gank specs are extremely fragile this patch.

divnyi · June 2021

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Regardless, you made this thread about IC, please keep on topic.

It is on topic. You don't carry telvars into the fight on flags. So it doesn't matter which size of the party you have, you won't get many telvars this way. At least it doesn't compare to the spoils you get when you freely zoom between bosses in 5-6 flag state. And you can't get to that state solo ofc.

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Det pots. Get them, use them. Most gank specs are extremely fragile this patch.

Why do you assume I need advices on how to fight gankers? Gankers are still the best option to solo because even detect pots are on when they know you are here, and if you play good you don't even alert the NPCs. And anybody but ganker will run into unwinnable Xv1 eventually, so best thing you can do is to stack toughness like mad so you can at least run out (ppl above mentioned harbinger & werewolf), but even that isn't the level of safety of gankblades. I know that because I pilot one.

Goregrinder · June 2021

Scallan wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

If I'm in IC, it's usually because I'm on my Gankblade anyways, which does not require a group at all.

And then people are crying that IC is gankblade fest. Well sure, because IC solo is not enjoyable for anyone but gankblades.

I main magicka and stamina NB, and as a gankblade, I love IC for this reason. I absolutely love killing other NB's. Nothing is more satisfying to me honestly.

Ganking always has, and always will be just so much fun. IC makes it really easy too, since you can break up fights into smaller ones. Midyear Mayhem can't be here sooner!

Urzigurumash · June 2021

Goregrinder wrote: »

Scallan wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

If I'm in IC, it's usually because I'm on my Gankblade anyways, which does not require a group at all.

And then people are crying that IC is gankblade fest. Well sure, because IC solo is not enjoyable for anyone but gankblades.

I main magicka and stamina NB, and as a gankblade, I love IC for this reason. I absolutely love killing other NB's. Nothing is more satisfying to me honestly.

Ganking always has, and always will be just so much fun. IC makes it really easy too, since you can break up fights into smaller ones. Midyear Mayhem can't be here sooner!

I agree, when IC is populated it's the most fun PvP there is. The Gapcloser bug during the last IC event was a major buzzkill (for a DK).

Grimlok_S · June 2021

divnyi wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Regardless, you made this thread about IC, please keep on topic.

You don't carry telvars into the fight on flags. So it doesn't matter which size of the party you have, you won't get many telvars this way. At least it doesn't compare to the spoils you get when you freely zoom between bosses in 5-6 flag state. And you can't get to that state solo ofc.

They don't magically bank themselves.. If you know a group is heading from zone X to Y, go ahead and take zone Z for yourself. They will want to flip that flag before they take that district's boss. Now you have a flag fight with Telvar involved.

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Det pots. Get them, use them. Most gank specs are extremely fragile this patch.

Why do you assume I need advices on how to fight gankers? Gankers are still the best option to solo because even detect pots are on when they know you are here, and if you play good you don't even alert the NPCs. And anybody but ganker will run into unwinnable Xv1 eventually, so best thing you can do is to stack toughness like mad so you can at least run out (ppl above mentioned harbinger & werewolf), but even that isn't the level of safety of gankblades. I know that because I pilot one.[/quote]

OK.. You may have fully lost me. You're a self proclaimed gank-blade upset that people don't run zerg groups?

Be the change you want to see? No one is going to stop you. Or don't bother with IC at all if it isn't to your liking.

You asked why people don't run zerg groups, I told you. /shrug

xylena_lazarow · June 2021

If I'm farming IC bosses and use my "skill" to kill a ganker, I get ZERO telvars. If that ganker kills me, they get half my stuff, despite taking ZERO risk themselves. This alone is reason to zerg. Or just never touch IC ever again.

nukk3r · June 2021

A remark: players in your alliance never play together.
I always find myself running from 4-12 man groups when I go to IC.

divnyi · June 2021

nukk3r wrote: »

A remark: players in your alliance never play together.
I always find myself running from 4-12 man groups when I go to IC.

Because people that go to IC not on gankblades go there with at least 2+ guildmates. And then they open forums and tell you how beneficial is that to 1vX everyone there

nukk3r · June 2021

divnyi wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

A remark: players in your alliance never play together.
I always find myself running from 4-12 man groups when I go to IC.

Because people that go to IC not on gankblades go there with at least 2+ guildmates. And then they open forums and tell you how beneficial is that to 1vX everyone there

Honestly gankblades were an issue when I farmed bosses for achievements on my PvE toon (because DPS). When I go there with my PvP magden or magsorc, they pose no threat. But I always meet enemy groups which absolutely need to chase me across the district for some reason.

WabanakiWarrior · June 2021

OP is the worst kinda kid. Keep your zerg out of IC. You don't gain anything from it, you'll just end up having a boring time and ruining it for others.
Plenty of zerg options in cyrodiil. There's actual a point to controlling the map there.

Vevvev · June 2021

Can't really force fights in the IC like you can in Cyrodiil. If you control the entire top side you just push everyone underground, and the only people looking to breach the sewers to go up top are looking to kill the bosses. Mixing PVP and PVE together was never a good idea despite how much I like them both. Having them both together just makes it so the PVE people avoid the PVP people, and the PVP people don't really focus much on the PVE incentives for actually being there. Due to the lack of incentives and large scale conflicts the Imperial City just doesn't get the population Cyrodiil does.

divnyi · June 2021

Vevvev wrote: »

Can't really force fights in the IC like you can in Cyrodiil.

You can. Bosses doesn't give much if you don't control flags.

Vevvev wrote: »

Due to the lack of incentives and large scale conflicts the Imperial City just doesn't get the population Cyrodiil does.

It doesn't get that population because there is no incentive of being there solo, while in cyro you just look at the map and ride, or join some open zerg. So it's down to sweaty PvP guilds running ball groups there to farm telvars vs no resistance.

Goregrinder · June 2021

nukk3r wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

A remark: players in your alliance never play together.
I always find myself running from 4-12 man groups when I go to IC.

Because people that go to IC not on gankblades go there with at least 2+ guildmates. And then they open forums and tell you how beneficial is that to 1vX everyone there

Honestly gankblades were an issue when I farmed bosses for achievements on my PvE toon (because DPS). When I go there with my PvP magden or magsorc, they pose no threat. But I always meet enemy groups which absolutely need to chase me across the district for some reason.

Don't worry we're brewing, I've seen a few builds so far since Blackwood dropped that hit hard, even 30k+ HP targets with high resists. I think one build I saw can hit insanely high penetration. Like over 40k pen, it's nuts. I don't know what I'm going to take into IC with me during Midyear Mayhem though, but once everyone farms the new mythics, and tests the new Blackwood sets, I think we'll see some high output gank builds in the wild.

nukk3r · June 2021

Goregrinder wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

A remark: players in your alliance never play together.
I always find myself running from 4-12 man groups when I go to IC.

Because people that go to IC not on gankblades go there with at least 2+ guildmates. And then they open forums and tell you how beneficial is that to 1vX everyone there

Honestly gankblades were an issue when I farmed bosses for achievements on my PvE toon (because DPS). When I go there with my PvP magden or magsorc, they pose no threat. But I always meet enemy groups which absolutely need to chase me across the district for some reason.

Don't worry we're brewing, I've seen a few builds so far since Blackwood dropped that hit hard, even 30k+ HP targets with high resists. I think one build I saw can hit insanely high penetration. Like over 40k pen, it's nuts. I don't know what I'm going to take into IC with me during Midyear Mayhem though, but once everyone farms the new mythics, and tests the new Blackwood sets, I think we'll see some high output gank builds in the wild.

Well, I'm making a bombblade for MYM for the most festive fireworks and bonfires.

WabanakiWarrior · June 2021

divnyi wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Can't really force fights in the IC like you can in Cyrodiil.

You can. Bosses doesn't give much if you don't control flags.

Vevvev wrote: »

Due to the lack of incentives and large scale conflicts the Imperial City just doesn't get the population Cyrodiil does.

It doesn't get that population because there is no incentive of being there solo, while in cyro you just look at the map and ride, or join some open zerg. So it's down to sweaty PvP guilds running ball groups there to farm telvars vs no resistance.

Man, it's so obvious you don't IC. If you own the district where you solo a boss, you get a lot of tel var. A *** ton. You don't need to control the whole map. Yes, there's a boost to controlling all the flags, but its pretty much pointless. Just takes one noob to flip a flag on the opposite side of the map to ruin your farm. You'll spend all of your time running around re-flipping flags and waste your time.
The way it is now incentivizes solo and small group play in IC and it's wonderful. You get a massive boost for running solo. IC is a completely different game than cyrodiil, it's not about flipping keeps, it's not about the flags at all, they're just there for a tel var buff.

Goregrinder · June 2021

nukk3r wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

A remark: players in your alliance never play together.
I always find myself running from 4-12 man groups when I go to IC.

Because people that go to IC not on gankblades go there with at least 2+ guildmates. And then they open forums and tell you how beneficial is that to 1vX everyone there

Honestly gankblades were an issue when I farmed bosses for achievements on my PvE toon (because DPS). When I go there with my PvP magden or magsorc, they pose no threat. But I always meet enemy groups which absolutely need to chase me across the district for some reason.

Don't worry we're brewing, I've seen a few builds so far since Blackwood dropped that hit hard, even 30k+ HP targets with high resists. I think one build I saw can hit insanely high penetration. Like over 40k pen, it's nuts. I don't know what I'm going to take into IC with me during Midyear Mayhem though, but once everyone farms the new mythics, and tests the new Blackwood sets, I think we'll see some high output gank builds in the wild.

Well, I'm making a bombblade for MYM for the most festive fireworks and bonfires.

Now that's a party I want an invite to!

divnyi · June 2021

WabanakiWarrior wrote: »

Man, it's so obvious you don't IC.

I surely dug more than 500k telvars already. So much for "don't IC".

WabanakiWarrior wrote: »

If you own the district where you solo a boss, you get a lot of tel var.

Buff is not per district, it's per whole city map. +33%*6 = +200%. Meaning 3ppl group killing boss with no control and 9ppl group killing boss with full control is the same amount of telvar. So making uber small party is not beneficial, it is your greed speaking.

Besides, it's not only about how much you get, but about how fast you can do that. If you need to cyro->back after each boss == less telvars/hour. If you can't get all the bosses in the circle run == less telvars/hour.