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Trial Finder
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We need a trial finder. I tried to create a group for vHRC and got no one at this morning. Its almost impossible to run more than 2 to 3 times of it in one day. We don't see people usually up to run other veteran trial with randoms. (vSS, vHoF, vCR, you name it) And when they're up to do it, its always completion prove up front. Some of us don't have the privilege of good guilds or guilds at all. Others just don't like to be in a guild. I know we used to have a trial finder, so it should not be impossible to get one up and about. C'mon, the endgame scene is quite dead on this game. At least, on ffxiv, i can queue for it and people don't complain about my experience before i walk into the dungeon.
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Nastassiya✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?Search=trial+finder
We do not need a 2000th repeat thread.3 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nastassiya wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?Search=trial+finder
We do not need a 2000th repeat thread.
But you got to keep the dream alive 🤘.
Hardest part of trials is just finding warm bodies.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭A 12 man trial finder might be difficult to build correctly, but a 4 man trial finder should be easy to add. Yes have another post about trial finder is needed, how else can we get devs to notice.1 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭A 12 man trial finder might be difficult to build correctly, but a 4 man trial finder should be easy to add. Yes have another post about trial finder is needed, how else can we get devs to notice.
I think maybe bulletin board setup would be nice. Like as a leader it sucks I have to spam LF dps healer or tank for at least 30 mins to hour. By then I just don't want to lead anymore with sane energy as before then1 -
Milchbart✭✭✭✭We need a trial finder....... And when they're up to do it, its always completion prove up front ...Some of us don't have the privilege of good guilds or guilds at all. .....
... but demand to be carried through a vet trial for free ... as otherwise they easily could prove their capability with this."completion prove up front"
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DirkRavenclaw✭✭✭✭On the Day People flag there correct Role in Dungeon Finder ZOS begins to set Rules you need to follow if you wanna go into a Dungeon as a Tank or Healer we can start talking about Trials. And they have Voicechat.Council Member of AtWritsEnd, Member of LoneWolfeHelp, Donor of GhostSeaTradingCO., Factor of EastEmpireTradingCO.,HonourGuard of ´DominionImperialGuard(DIG/PVP)
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ThePlayer✭✭✭✭Yes a modern group finder system is needed, for dungeons, dlc, trials and for the veteran end game.
A system that allows the person who creates the group to choose the minimum CPs (as a guarantee and not as a certainty) and in which he can write some info, for example the type of gear to be used by the tank/healer.
P.S. everyone can write in the forum the way they like (no spam), you can't always refer to old posts.5 -
Eso101rus✭✭✭✭We need a trial finder. I tried to create a group for vHRC and got no one at this morning. Its almost impossible to run more than 2 to 3 times of it in one day. We don't see people usually up to run other veteran trial with randoms. (vSS, vHoF, vCR, you name it) And when they're up to do it, its always completion prove up front. Some of us don't have the privilege of good guilds or guilds at all. Others just don't like to be in a guild. I know we used to have a trial finder, so it should not be impossible to get one up and about. C'mon, the endgame scene is quite dead on this game. At least, on ffxiv, i can queue for it and people don't complain about my experience before i walk into the dungeon.
You need to join or start a guild, I wouldn’t use a trial finder based on my experience with dungeon finder and I’m sure many more would agree.0 -
Nastassiya✭✭✭There are plenty of trial guilds that will put you in their roster once you're geared up with their basic CP and gear requirements. Plenty of them still do normal content for new members. In my experience, I geared my tank up in 3 days with the normal trial trial gear that I needed. It's honestly taken me longer to get just my 2 part monster set. Pugging for vet trials would be a huge nightmare.
Also, I doubt devs read this as the people on the forums are so hateful about the game. I'm pretty sure they would only read the bug fix section of the forums when a mod brings it to their attention.Edited by Nastassiya on 23 May 2021 13:220 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nastassiya wrote: »There are plenty of trial guilds that will put you in their roster once you're geared up with their basic CP and gear requirements. Plenty of them still do normal content for new members. In my experience, I geared my tank up in 3 days with the normal trial trial gear that I needed. It's honestly taken me longer to get just my 2 part monster set. Pugging for vet trials would be a huge nightmare.
Also, I doubt devs read this as the people on the forums are so hateful about the game. I'm pretty sure they would only read the bug fix section of the forums when a mod brings it to their attention.
Yeah but speaking of as trial leader is down right a hassle. Got to constantly remind people. Fill out roster make sure someone is here. Then there's finding replacements because nobody showed.
Doing trials is fun but getting people for it takes way to much time. I am not asking for random trials but availability to invite people to trials easier so I can spend time teaching and leading not looking for peopleEdited by Starlight_Whisper on 23 May 2021 13:491 -
RedMuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭Trial finder a la the current dungeon finder would be an absolutely horrible idea. One in the suggested style of a bulletin board? I could see that mostly work, at least no worse the Puglorn does right now and take off some of the pressure and stress of the group leader.0 -
Grimlok_S✭✭✭✭✭Craglorn is the normal Trial finder.Light Attack Hero
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Jayroo✭✭✭✭If you oppose this because "fake tanks and healers" keep in mind there are 11 other people prepared to kick as opposed to billy and bob fake queuing to face blast through.
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Nastassiya✭✭✭Nastassiya wrote: »There are plenty of trial guilds that will put you in their roster once you're geared up with their basic CP and gear requirements. Plenty of them still do normal content for new members. In my experience, I geared my tank up in 3 days with the normal trial trial gear that I needed. It's honestly taken me longer to get just my 2 part monster set. Pugging for vet trials would be a huge nightmare.
Also, I doubt devs read this as the people on the forums are so hateful about the game. I'm pretty sure they would only read the bug fix section of the forums when a mod brings it to their attention.Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Yeah but speaking of as trial leader is down right a hassle. Got to constantly remind people. Fill out roster make sure someone is here. Then there's finding replacements because nobody showed.
Doing trials is fun but getting people for it takes way to much time. I am not asking for random trials but availability to invite people to trials easier so I can spend time teaching and leading not looking for people
Yes, and I am a trial leader, for a hybrid guild. I understand not everyone wants to attend trials and people forget. You're not going to have that problem in a dedicated hardcore trial guild that has people competition for positions, happily waiting to see if someone doesn't show up. I'm in a dedicated trial guild and I see how cut throat it is to get a spot on the rosters.
But a trial finder is going to be just like the manual Puglorn method, where you'll pick up DD that is going to have inner fire and pull early, and the other DPS that is ballsy and will just overtly range attack to pull. You'll also get that tank that doesn't understand that many mobs and the bosses need to face away from DPS, or the healer that will spend time healing the DD that isn't standing in position. Trial finder wont fix anything that Puglorn doesn't already do.
Tank ---> BOSS <---- DD <---- Healer ---->Lone DD needing heals!
The only difference between a trial finder and Puglorn is people can sign up for a trial anywhere rather than meeting at Puglorn and sending the advertiser a message.
You'll still have DD that do not know weaving
You'll still have DD that have really low DPS
You'll still have newbs that cant YouTube mechanics before going LFG
You'll still have newbs that do not know positions
You'll still have tanks that do not know their builds
You'll still have healers that cant effectively heal
You'll still have people that wear selfish sets of gear!!!
So many people want a trial finder that won't solve anything besides you won't need to go to Puglorn to find a party and use zone chat. It solves nothing else outside of removing the interaction with other people.
Edited by Nastassiya on 23 May 2021 18:020 -
svendf✭✭✭✭Nastassiya wrote: »Nastassiya wrote: »There are plenty of trial guilds that will put you in their roster once you're geared up with their basic CP and gear requirements. Plenty of them still do normal content for new members. In my experience, I geared my tank up in 3 days with the normal trial trial gear that I needed. It's honestly taken me longer to get just my 2 part monster set. Pugging for vet trials would be a huge nightmare.
Also, I doubt devs read this as the people on the forums are so hateful about the game. I'm pretty sure they would only read the bug fix section of the forums when a mod brings it to their attention.Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Yeah but speaking of as trial leader is down right a hassle. Got to constantly remind people. Fill out roster make sure someone is here. Then there's finding replacements because nobody showed.
Doing trials is fun but getting people for it takes way to much time. I am not asking for random trials but availability to invite people to trials easier so I can spend time teaching and leading not looking for people
Yes, and I am a trial leader, for a hybrid guild. I understand not everyone wants to attend trials and people forget. You're not going to have that problem in a dedicated hardcore trial guild that has people competition for positions, happily waiting to see if someone doesn't show up. I'm in a dedicated trial guild and I see how cut throat it is to get a spot on the rosters.
But a trial finder is going to be just like the manual Puglorn method, where you'll pick up DD that is going to have inner fire and pull early, and the other DPS that is ballsy and will just overtly range attack to pull. You'll also get that tank that doesn't understand that many mobs and the bosses need to face away from DPS, or the healer that will spend time healing the DD that isn't standing in position. Trial finder wont fix anything that Puglorn doesn't already do.
Tank ---> BOSS <---- DD <---- Healer ---->Lone DD needing heals!
The only difference between a trial finder and Puglorn is people can sign up for a trial anywhere rather than meeting at Puglorn and sending the advertiser a message.
You'll still have DD that do not know weaving
You'll still have DD that have really low DPS
You'll still have newbs that cant YouTube mechanics before going LFG
You'll still have newbs that do not know positions
You'll still have tanks that do not know their builds
You'll still have healers that cant effectively heal
You'll still have people that wear selfish sets of gear!!!
So many people want a trial finder that won't solve anything besides you won't need to go to Puglorn to find a party and use zone chat. It solves nothing else outside of removing the interaction with other people.
It´s hard to disagree as you have good points and actual facts as I see it. That´s why it´s so important to build from and with the group finder tool for dungeonns in mind, when asking for a trial finder.
The group finder should provide people with actual roles (the triad one) as a way to progress and learn the role, with tanking and healing in mind - for most player´s it´s the best way to start their journey, even if some of the older content for some are seen as easy. You will get an better understanding of the role you are playing even in the most easy content - sometimes a breather is a chance to discover things along the way.
Im not against a trial finder, but the group finder have to be fixed first, with the triad roles put on focus.0 -
ThePlayer✭✭✭✭For veteran trials just put a lock in which the participant must already have the achievement taken (i mean completed that trial already), in this way the formation of the trial runs in the guilds will still be necessary;
For veteran dlc dungeons the same;
For all normal content it will not be necessary, there is always the kick option if one of the players has problems with understanding.0 -
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✭✭✭I think it would be a disaster a bunch of puglies for Vet Trials....
Also, not having a trial leader/host to keep things civil would be hell, one person to kick. If it worked like the Group Finder now, too many trolls and butthurt players would just destroy it, wasting everyones time. Not to mention, players looking for free carries smh.
Still not understanding why people are not joining trial guilds or forming their own. It’s lots more fun enjoying everyones company, talking and joking around with people you know. Though most importantly completing the trial.
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gronoxvx✭✭✭✭✭If they cant get a 4 person dungeon finder right then theres no hope of getting a working trial finder.
Also we dont need more fake tank/healer threads as with a trial finder it will be a million times worse.1 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I could see a trial grouping tool being useful, but it shouldn’t be at all like the dungeon queue. For one, it would need to have an established leader from the start, who could set the target and requirements, then allow or remove players from the roster as necessary. Groups in the process of filling and forming shouldn’t be hidden behind the scenes like the dungeon finder, they should be listed in a public menu more similar to the guild finder. More like a list of open lobbies, which would be visible from any zone and save a lot of chat spam trying to find people.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »I could see a trial grouping tool being useful, but it shouldn’t be at all like the dungeon queue. For one, it would need to have an established leader from the start, who could set the target and requirements, then allow or remove players from the roster as necessary. Groups in the process of filling and forming shouldn’t be hidden behind the scenes like the dungeon finder, they should be listed in a public menu more similar to the guild finder. More like a list of open lobbies, which would be visible from any zone and save a lot of chat spam trying to find people.
Hey this sounds like the perfect group finder!1 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Nastassiya wrote: »Nastassiya wrote: »There are plenty of trial guilds that will put you in their roster once you're geared up with their basic CP and gear requirements. Plenty of them still do normal content for new members. In my experience, I geared my tank up in 3 days with the normal trial trial gear that I needed. It's honestly taken me longer to get just my 2 part monster set. Pugging for vet trials would be a huge nightmare.
Also, I doubt devs read this as the people on the forums are so hateful about the game. I'm pretty sure they would only read the bug fix section of the forums when a mod brings it to their attention.Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Yeah but speaking of as trial leader is down right a hassle. Got to constantly remind people. Fill out roster make sure someone is here. Then there's finding replacements because nobody showed.
Doing trials is fun but getting people for it takes way to much time. I am not asking for random trials but availability to invite people to trials easier so I can spend time teaching and leading not looking for people
Yes, and I am a trial leader, for a hybrid guild. I understand not everyone wants to attend trials and people forget. You're not going to have that problem in a dedicated hardcore trial guild that has people competition for positions, happily waiting to see if someone doesn't show up. I'm in a dedicated trial guild and I see how cut throat it is to get a spot on the rosters.
But a trial finder is going to be just like the manual Puglorn method, where you'll pick up DD that is going to have inner fire and pull early, and the other DPS that is ballsy and will just overtly range attack to pull. You'll also get that tank that doesn't understand that many mobs and the bosses need to face away from DPS, or the healer that will spend time healing the DD that isn't standing in position. Trial finder wont fix anything that Puglorn doesn't already do.
Tank ---> BOSS <---- DD <---- Healer ---->Lone DD needing heals!
The only difference between a trial finder and Puglorn is people can sign up for a trial anywhere rather than meeting at Puglorn and sending the advertiser a message.
You'll still have DD that do not know weaving
You'll still have DD that have really low DPS
You'll still have newbs that cant YouTube mechanics before going LFG
You'll still have newbs that do not know positions
You'll still have tanks that do not know their builds
You'll still have healers that cant effectively heal
You'll still have people that wear selfish sets of gear!!!
So many people want a trial finder that won't solve anything besides you won't need to go to Puglorn to find a party and use zone chat. It solves nothing else outside of removing the interaction with other people.
So it is better to BUFF 0 DAMAGE of people who do not DPS ?
What is bad about "SELFISH SETS" - People who play good helps others with their play.
If some one do not play good enough they buff part of party who plays good - with their "Support sets"
Or if sets are not selfish - whom do you support ?
fake roles and fake DPS ???Edited by AyaDark on 24 May 2021 08:150 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭If by the way you see that boss stand wrong position - stand behind it - or get on range.
If some one is not exped say about frontal aoes.
If you are exped yourself get on range out from it !
Is it not so simple for EXPed players to do ?0 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭I love IDEA to have RANDOM TRIALS GROUP.
But why is it such problem ???
No one want to gather party.
If it would be function too see who is UP for trial - it would be no problem.
If i see as example no tanks and 20 DD may be i will go tank.
But if i do not know is there any body i would like to DD on bow bow more.
If some MENU who is UP for trial - it would be greate.
It is much better than shout :
DD LFG vHRC. Can tank - but do not want gather the group - take me some one - it is so booring to just stand or gather flowers hear !1 -
hafgood✭✭✭✭✭
✭This sounds like a lot of work with little reward for the devs. If they provided a trial finder you can guarantee the number of threads dissatisfied with it would outrank those satisfied by the hundreds.
No matter what was provided people would moan about it.
And the million dollar question - who is going to pay for it? Zos is part of microsoft that will have an annual budget and will look to return a profit, it isn't going to run at a loss and Microsoft are not going to inject huge amounts of money into the game. It will have to fund itself.
So that means it either has to be funded separately or come out of the general improvement fund. No one is going to buy a trial finder token and I can't see enough people wanting it to include it in a new chapter. That means it has to come out of the normal general improvement budget. And I'd prefer they spent that on bug fixes to something that would be universally panned no matter what they did!0