Wing wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

ever sense it became a know fact that cheat engine does / did in fact work with ESO, despite at the time all the leet PvPers saying the classic *no exploits, no cheese, get gud, etc.*

the trust is broken

i have never once sense been able to fight with anything above ~80% faith that my opponents are not cheating, and that drops even more when you run into the same couple people that despite being limited to the exact same CP and same ~19 sets they seem to just not die and kill anyone.

been here sense beta, sat through quite a few people who claimed they were on the up and up who are no longer with us because they were perma banned for exploiting.

First of all, it's not 19 sets.
There are still sets that have two 5 piece set bonuses, where 1 bonus still works, you can combine 2-4 piece set bonuses and mix and match to create all sorts of funky stuff.
So, saying you think someone is hacking because you don't understand their build, still comes across poorly

sorry not sorry

literally watching people defend themselves time after time and go so far as to literally falsify dev statements in personal emails as a result of being reported for hacking.

and then get outed for falsifying said emails as well as banned for (you guessed it) hacking.


this is not paranoia, this is fact, and a couple players got perma banned exposing said hacks and posting vids all over so that could no longer be denied, as ZOS statements up to that point were the same as players: "hacks dont exist"

it took a couple players no clip flying around cyrodil (not running fast, flying, in the air, hovering above keeps) with infinite resources spamming meteor ults like light attacks at everyone over the course of a holiday break for ZOS to actually admit that there were hacks and be a little more proactive in dealing with them.


to this day its a widely known rumor that you can in fact still use things like cheat engine or other 3rd party hacks to modify your stats as long as your not *too outrageous with the values.

Now,the legitimate paranoia I suffer from wants to agree with you, with the last part,
But,as someone...slightly familiar with CE in other games, I imagine anticheat looks for things serverside,and aren’t stats serverside in this game?
With how bad lag is sometimes I’m guessing these things are calculated entirely serverside,and the threat of permabanning is likely a massive deterrent to people who want to do this stuff.
So they likely stick with exploits,not cheat engine. That,and cheat engine tables would have to be updated every patch. If such tables still exist,they are kept very quiet and likely within small groups of friends,or just singular individuals with the technical know how to make their own tables and update it.
I did hear recently someone was caught using trial boss moves on the pts,so that may not be as far fetched as I once thought.
But I think if anyone did edit their stats,they would get caught within a week by anticheat.
......unless certain things are done client side,then you can bet your ass there are cheaters that do as you say above.


The game I am familiar with CE is however,dark souls 2,making custom spells and move sets. And with premade tables in dark souls 2. not anything of my own making,I know little to nothing when it comes to that stuff.
And this game and eso are two ver pay different games,that likely calculate things extremely differently.

Edited to fix wording,writing on iPad is painful. Fixed wording with some stuff,as it’s only the last part of what you said that I think may be unlikely,due to anticheats often looking for things serverside,and a fair amount of stuff in this game seeming like it’s serverside.
But again,wouldn’t be surprised if work arounds existed.

There's third party software that you can pay for right now and begin exploiting with. I'm not gonna name the program and I have never used it but it really doesn't take that much researching to find it

I've definitely come across players using said third party program too

You can never be 100% sure that anyone you fight isn't cheating in some way, even if it's just something minor like giving themselves a few extra stats that isn't too noticeable

Once you realise this, PvP becomes a more casual experience because there's no point trying to be competitive when ZOS does nothing to tackle exploiting and cheating

And yes there will be a considerable amount of players, usually the "elite pvpers" who will call you crazy for even mentioning any of this stuff. I wonder why

Generally if somebody just does good damage and wont die so easely, he is just a good player knowing what he is doing. Cheating in ESO is very easy to spot: flying, ult spamming, etc. If somebody just doesnt die or whatever, I assume they are just good at the game. The term of cheating in ESO for me is reserved for those doing it obviously and I personally have only seen it once live and in some vids.

There are many bad players though labelling everyone a cheater, who kills them or whatever. I myself get called a cheater frequently and its always bad longterm players doing it.

About sharing builds: most good players do not want to share their builds. They mostly build very tanky with enough damage to just kill enemy players. They do not share it, since they dont want others to run same tanky setup, since it would make whole cyrodiil a tank zone with nobody dying anymore.

SavageChain wrote: »

Generally if somebody just does good damage and wont die so easely, he is just a good player knowing what he is doing. Cheating in ESO is very easy to spot: flying, ult spamming, etc. If somebody just doesnt die or whatever, I assume they are just good at the game. The term of cheating in ESO for me is reserved for those doing it obviously and I personally have only seen it once live and in some vids.

The problem is that none of it is provable one way or the other. There was that program that people were using to slightly improve their dodge odds or buff their stats. It should be now dealt with but if you're looking at a few individuals exploiting something who can really tell?

The obvious stuff (flying and meteor spam) was done to expose the cheating, as far as I understood. So that got fixed. If there are still exploits that some external software can use to buff you in non-obvious ways we outside of ZoS can't really say either way.

Have to be more specific as to what you witnessed. As for people asking me about any build I have I rarely tell anyone. The reason is simple: I don't want them to know. Pretty much it.

I spent time putting it together and a lot of time testing it in game and making adjustments to traits, enchants, CP, etc.
I never post my builds online for the simple reason that someone somewhere will complain to ZOS and the next thing you know the gear set(s) are nerfed to uselessness.

As for exploits I don't know of any in PVE or PVP and would never use one intentionally.

No your not the only one, I have ran into these kinda of people off and on. I started playing when it was just beta helping test the game out. Since that time and only in I would say last 2 to 3 years more and more weird things have been going on. Most of the builds in pvp are easy and there are so many really good players out there that know the numbers in this game. When you have someone come in that just blows away everyone around and don't want to give up their build even to their own guild mates than something is wrong. I have seen more groups also come in that when they are in battle with another group weird things happen. Like Slow movement, your skills don't go off when you hit them, also you can be by your healer and you don't heal. Not naming any groups but there are two groups on blue side that this happens with when they are on. Funny most others feel this same way. Now when you report this to eso or zos funny nothing is done. I have no problem thinking someone is coding big time