I’m honestly surprised that you don’t wear a proc like Caluurion’s in open world on your mageblade. May I ask what you use? Do you find it effective, however you define that, without a proc set?

The_Lex wrote: »

I’m honestly surprised that you don’t wear a proc like Caluurion’s in open world on your mageblade. May I ask what you use? Do you find it effective, however you define that, without a proc set?

I'm not necessarily opposed to wearing procs, I just dont like pve that much and havent bothered farming.

I use 5L 2H, 2 reinforced chest, 2 well fitted, 3 impen
1 molag kena shoulder
5 new moon acolyte
Front bar war maiden(60% crit chance)
Wild hunt ring
2 swift, 1 infused, 1 mag recovery, 2 spell dam
Backbar vma resto(50% crit chance)
Stage 3 vamp
Thief stone

I'm still learning how to play, I have a killing blow every 4 kills currently. I dont die at all, unless I make a mistake. I still struggle against good players but I have killed more than one 5 star with soul harvest assassins will impale

NagualV wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

1. Crit is less important because most people run proc sets and or malacath, and without the benefit of cp, reaching meaningful levels of crit generally comes at a cost elsewhere. It's just not really worth it.

2. Damaged focused magblades are generally shoehorned into proc sets atm. Caluurions is a very popular option. At the end if the day, there are not proc based setups for magblade but you really have to work harder for them.

3.Mostly light armor, but that is because of the proc sets in question. 5h is hard on sustain for magblades in no cp.

4. Shadowy disguise is your only option if you want to process actual killing power. The days of a more brawler based magblade are gone atm.

5. Magblade healer is actually quite strong. In 5h or 5l. Healthy offering heals for a *** load. Soul siphoning is one of the strongest group wide life saver ult in the game even in spite of its .5 sec cast time. Lean into the shadow passive to increase your max health on your dark cloak bar. I could write paragraphs on magblade healer but I wont. They absolutely work in no cp and cp alike. I have been healing in pvp on magblade since beta.

This is very helpful, thanks. I had been thinking about soul siphoning as an ult. Is combat prayer useful also?

I'm not personally a fan of combat prayer in pvp outside of low effort ball group healing, which I dont regard as actually playing a healer in pvp but I digress.

For single target, combat prayer is magicka inefficient, and healthy offering will server that purpose. If you notice multiple members of your group are getting low, soul siphon will save them (assuming they aren't vegetables or glass cannons and possess some form of self defense in pvp). Minor berserk is nice, but the ttk is already pretty low in bgs, and most damage focused build are perfectly fine without it, or are sourcing it themselves. People dismiss refreshing path but its application range is much larger than its physical dimensions due to the built in lingering effect when leaving it and it is a respectable hot. Small fights at nodes or on flags, you will have a high uptime on it. Couple that with regen or springs and healthy offerings with wise use of dark cloak and you can float the cost of offering while still having solid healing throughput for most situations outside of organized coordinated ult dumps, which every healer that doesnt have an ult primed and ready is going to struggle with.

I wouldn't slot combat prayer.

Remember, health offering heals through walls, and ignores elevation limitations. Other burst heals in the game dont have this luxory. Los healing is very important and potent on magblade. Soul siphon also goes through all terrain and los but I dont know off the top of my head if other healing ultimates do as well. I'm farily sure remembrance and barrier dont but I could be wrong.

exeeter702 wrote: »

NagualV wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

1. Crit is less important because most people run proc sets and or malacath, and without the benefit of cp, reaching meaningful levels of crit generally comes at a cost elsewhere. It's just not really worth it.

2. Damaged focused magblades are generally shoehorned into proc sets atm. Caluurions is a very popular option. At the end if the day, there are not proc based setups for magblade but you really have to work harder for them.

3.Mostly light armor, but that is because of the proc sets in question. 5h is hard on sustain for magblades in no cp.

4. Shadowy disguise is your only option if you want to process actual killing power. The days of a more brawler based magblade are gone atm.

5. Magblade healer is actually quite strong. In 5h or 5l. Healthy offering heals for a *** load. Soul siphoning is one of the strongest group wide life saver ult in the game even in spite of its .5 sec cast time. Lean into the shadow passive to increase your max health on your dark cloak bar. I could write paragraphs on magblade healer but I wont. They absolutely work in no cp and cp alike. I have been healing in pvp on magblade since beta.

This is very helpful, thanks. I had been thinking about soul siphoning as an ult. Is combat prayer useful also?

I'm not personally a fan of combat prayer in pvp outside of low effort ball group healing, which I dont regard as actually playing a healer in pvp but I digress.

For single target, combat prayer is magicka inefficient, and healthy offering will server that purpose. If you notice multiple members of your group are getting low, soul siphon will save them (assuming they aren't vegetables or glass cannons and possess some form of self defense in pvp). Minor berserk is nice, but the ttk is already pretty low in bgs, and most damage focused build are perfectly fine without it, or are sourcing it themselves. People dismiss refreshing path but its application range is much larger than its physical dimensions due to the built in lingering effect when leaving it and it is a respectable hot. Small fights at nodes or on flags, you will have a high uptime on it. Couple that with regen or springs and healthy offerings with wise use of dark cloak and you can float the cost of offering while still having solid healing throughput for most situations outside of organized coordinated ult dumps, which every healer that doesnt have an ult primed and ready is going to struggle with.

I wouldn't slot combat prayer.

Remember, health offering heals through walls, and ignores elevation limitations. Other burst heals in the game dont have this luxory. Los healing is very important and potent on magblade. Soul siphon also goes through all terrain and los but I dont know off the top of my head if other healing ultimates do as well. I'm farily sure remembrance and barrier dont but I could be wrong.

I very been looking at this more, and for a nb healer in battlegrounds, I was thinking of using -

2 bogdan or earthgore
5 light fortified brass
5 transmutation?
Vma restoration staff

Is this a decent starter/intro set up? Any changes recommended?

NagualV wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

NagualV wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

1. Crit is less important because most people run proc sets and or malacath, and without the benefit of cp, reaching meaningful levels of crit generally comes at a cost elsewhere. It's just not really worth it.

2. Damaged focused magblades are generally shoehorned into proc sets atm. Caluurions is a very popular option. At the end if the day, there are not proc based setups for magblade but you really have to work harder for them.

3.Mostly light armor, but that is because of the proc sets in question. 5h is hard on sustain for magblades in no cp.

4. Shadowy disguise is your only option if you want to process actual killing power. The days of a more brawler based magblade are gone atm.

5. Magblade healer is actually quite strong. In 5h or 5l. Healthy offering heals for a *** load. Soul siphoning is one of the strongest group wide life saver ult in the game even in spite of its .5 sec cast time. Lean into the shadow passive to increase your max health on your dark cloak bar. I could write paragraphs on magblade healer but I wont. They absolutely work in no cp and cp alike. I have been healing in pvp on magblade since beta.

This is very helpful, thanks. I had been thinking about soul siphoning as an ult. Is combat prayer useful also?

I'm not personally a fan of combat prayer in pvp outside of low effort ball group healing, which I dont regard as actually playing a healer in pvp but I digress.

For single target, combat prayer is magicka inefficient, and healthy offering will server that purpose. If you notice multiple members of your group are getting low, soul siphon will save them (assuming they aren't vegetables or glass cannons and possess some form of self defense in pvp). Minor berserk is nice, but the ttk is already pretty low in bgs, and most damage focused build are perfectly fine without it, or are sourcing it themselves. People dismiss refreshing path but its application range is much larger than its physical dimensions due to the built in lingering effect when leaving it and it is a respectable hot. Small fights at nodes or on flags, you will have a high uptime on it. Couple that with regen or springs and healthy offerings with wise use of dark cloak and you can float the cost of offering while still having solid healing throughput for most situations outside of organized coordinated ult dumps, which every healer that doesnt have an ult primed and ready is going to struggle with.

I wouldn't slot combat prayer.

Remember, health offering heals through walls, and ignores elevation limitations. Other burst heals in the game dont have this luxory. Los healing is very important and potent on magblade. Soul siphon also goes through all terrain and los but I dont know off the top of my head if other healing ultimates do as well. I'm farily sure remembrance and barrier dont but I could be wrong.

I very been looking at this more, and for a nb healer in battlegrounds, I was thinking of using -

2 bogdan or earthgore
5 light fortified brass
5 transmutation?
Vma restoration staff

Is this a decent starter/intro set up? Any changes recommended?

Honestly, at the moment 5l is pretty rough in bgs when you get higher up and people start learning to focus you. Even on nightblade, it becomes hard to shake people that actually want you dead.

I prefer earthgore over bogdan. Bogdan is far too stationary, and often times players wont stand in it. Its healing ticks are nice and add up at the healing done score screen on certain game modes but it doesnt really save lives and you already have enough triage healing. But more important than that, and something no one ever mentions probably from lack of experience tbh is this... Bogdan will almost ALWAYS proc at your location and rarely serve as ally support /healing because as a nb healer you are constantly managing healthy offering stacks and keeping hots up. What does this mean? It means that becuase each stack of offering is a unique dot, combined with your hots rolling, each an every tick is going to likely proc bogdan off cd. What happens is you are in a fight, set up hots lay down path and safely los away from harm and dump offerings on an ally getting focused and all the sudden your bogdan procs at your feet, essentially wasted. I suppose you can argue that bogdan can serve as a buffer to help you sustain healthy offering dot ticks, but between cloak, regen and path, that is certainly not worth a monster set.

EG will save a life, and I view it as a self defense CD just as much as for others. EG plus a couple offerings will bring someone back from the brink. The issue there though is less experienced players always roll out of it because its effect is red lol. The healing done percent 1pc bonus, while minor, helps dark cloak over max health 1pc or any other magicka bonus.

Pariah is a strong choice imo. I play at stage 3 vamp and it works well with undeath. Brass was nerfed a while back but still decent in suppose. 5h pariah with undeath passive at 50 percent health with major resistance buff active is resistance cap +15 percent damage reduction. Outside of a dedicated magic sitting on you, you can take a beating. Stage one vamp with 5h eternal vigor and the right food buff is an alternative option, but you have to be a bit more nimble.

Transmutation was my brother in arms set since it was added to the game back in TG. I loved it. Lately though, its use case has diminished. In bgs, crit is generally lower but more importantly, proc sets are dominant alongside malacath. This coupled with the added baseline crit resist makes transmutations buff a bit less impactful in bgs. I think people overstate by how much honestly but it still is. After its duration nerf it's still easy to front bar it ofc, and it's the only support set in pvp that has its 2 and 3 price mag recovery, meaning you never lose the recovery when bar swapping (iirc). Another set I recommend in place of trans is curse eater. This set can also be front bared and since this is where your healthy offering should be, you are easily able to direct heal allies and proc the purge. What people dont know is that the healing ticks of siphoning attacks trigger curse eater as well so this is how you benefit from the set yourself.

You have a few options for back bar wep for sure. Vma resto are potentates are great. I prefer potentates personally as sustain isnt an issue for me, even in 5h stage 3 vamp no cp and chug pots nearly off CD. The percentage reduction from potentates works well enough with dark cloak. If you are playing a more evasive setup, vma might be better. Brp resto is a consideration if you are able to find a spot for HW. With transmutation though you need at least refreshing path or regen. If going with a different support set, you can trade one of those for HW. Powered is the preferred trait for throughput reasons ofc, but also it helps you benefit more from dark cloak without needing more max health commitment.

Ididuz wrote: »

Maybe I am wrong but I think that monster set with static AOE don't work on BG because allys don't stay at this zone. I prefer Troll King. It work always, haven't cooldawn and synergys well with Vigor set and Skull food. When you have proc Vigor and Troll King you may have over 2000 HP regen in mist form. It is all you need defense. That is why I can't advise Fortified brass. You don't need more defense. You need maximize heal strength because with Vigor and restoration staff heavy attack + Siphoning strike passive you have all you need Magicka regen. Sorry for my English.

Yes this is advisable.

General rule I go by is this..

High resistance pariah stage 3 undeath with earthgore

Or

High health recovery vigor stage 1 with troll king skulls food.

Both work very well. My only peeve is that provided bonus health recovery to allies (via troll king) does not count as healing done on the score screen so less informed players might scoff at your contribution as a healer

thanks again everyone, really helpful information. Im in the process of farming the suggested sets, including the Malacath Band, so i have something to compare to. Its funny, because when the band came out i just assumed it wasnt a fit for a nightblade, since the nightblade class has crit damage and crit chance passives. But i get what everyone is saying, and im going to try these sets out to get a feel for the difference.

Edit* - I had missed a prior post that answers my question below. Thanks again everyone!

I would ask maybe one final thing, what set goes well with either the Pariah/earthgore set up or the Troll King set up(For magblade healer BG's)?
I see Eternal Vigor mentioned, what about spell power cure, or transmutation?