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mag and any class need an executable skill and general imbalance
gambl3r08
Soul Shriven
isn't a secret that the game needs balance between mag and stam, all of the stam weapon class have an executable skill(bow, dual wield, two handed) but mag hasn't any skill like Executioner or Whirling Blades, if you add to that the general imbalance between classes, the question that remains is:
has developers ever played the game?
i'm pvp player and i have stam and mag of every class in the game all for pvp, when i play stam class i observe the imbalance between both for example:
magicka necromancer vs stamina necromancer:
Blastbones.
Blastbones in mag morph is bug and no have any second effect but Blastbones stam morph applied major defile so why, why u make morph with this in stam but not in mag.
rebuild all classes is necessary for make a better game
has developers ever played the game?
i'm pvp player and i have stam and mag of every class in the game all for pvp, when i play stam class i observe the imbalance between both for example:
magicka necromancer vs stamina necromancer:
Blastbones.
Blastbones in mag morph is bug and no have any second effect but Blastbones stam morph applied major defile so why, why u make morph with this in stam but not in mag.
rebuild all classes is necessary for make a better game
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Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭Long before anyone complained about executioner the most complained about executions were class abilities that were exclusively usable by magica, endless fury being a cheap fire and forget execute thats still incredibly punishing in bgs because of kill stealing and templar beam which you can’t go 30 seconds near a large group in open world before being constantly bombarded by.
I would love to have a huge spammable heal, an unblockable CC, an execute and a gap closer whilst still having bar space to run some heals and damage abilities but not everyone can have it all, except for werewolves and magsorcs that is.0 -
yeyesil✭✭Magicka and stamina classes are mostly balanced in pvp. Stamina classes have huge burst capabilities and magicka classes have more utility functions. Stamina classes lack a reliable CC. They only have dizzy offbalance stun while most magicka classes have a unique CC skill like fear, arctic stun, fossilize, toppling charged etc. Most magicka classes have burst heal from their class skills while stamina classes only have vigor+rally and you need to wait for it to fully heal you.
There are also class based executes for magicka classes: sorc fury, templar beam, nightblade impale, warden bear ulti attack and pulsar with inferno staff from destro skill line that you can pair it with brp inferno. It's also a good magicka proc with 1 unique weapon and you can use it in all magicka classes. They are not as much powerful as executioner but that's how it should be to be balanced.
The power gap doesn't come from stamina or magicka. It's the classes like templar(both magicka and stamina), stamina sorcerer, magicka nightblade. These classes need a buff to be equal to other classes: necro, warden and dk. They are really underpowered when compared to these classes.1 -
Magicka and stamina classes are mostly balanced in pvp. Stamina classes have huge burst capabilities and magicka classes have more utility functions. Stamina classes lack a reliable CC. They only have dizzy offbalance stun while most magicka classes have a unique CC skill like fear, arctic stun, fossilize, toppling charged etc. Most magicka classes have burst heal from their class skills while stamina classes only have vigor+rally and you need to wait for it to fully heal you.
There are also class based executes for magicka classes: sorc fury, templar beam, nightblade impale, warden bear ulti attack and pulsar with inferno staff from destro skill line that you can pair it with brp inferno. It's also a good magicka proc with 1 unique weapon and you can use it in all magicka classes. They are not as much powerful as executioner but that's how it should be to be balanced.
The power gap doesn't come from stamina or magicka. It's the classes like templar(both magicka and stamina), stamina sorcerer, magicka nightblade. These classes need a buff to be equal to other classes: necro, warden and dk. They are really underpowered when compared to these classes.
What mag characters do you play actively in pvp?0 -
yeyesil✭✭teh_squirrel wrote: »Magicka and stamina classes are mostly balanced in pvp. Stamina classes have huge burst capabilities and magicka classes have more utility functions. Stamina classes lack a reliable CC. They only have dizzy offbalance stun while most magicka classes have a unique CC skill like fear, arctic stun, fossilize, toppling charged etc. Most magicka classes have burst heal from their class skills while stamina classes only have vigor+rally and you need to wait for it to fully heal you.
There are also class based executes for magicka classes: sorc fury, templar beam, nightblade impale, warden bear ulti attack and pulsar with inferno staff from destro skill line that you can pair it with brp inferno. It's also a good magicka proc with 1 unique weapon and you can use it in all magicka classes. They are not as much powerful as executioner but that's how it should be to be balanced.
The power gap doesn't come from stamina or magicka. It's the classes like templar(both magicka and stamina), stamina sorcerer, magicka nightblade. These classes need a buff to be equal to other classes: necro, warden and dk. They are really underpowered when compared to these classes.
What mag characters do you play actively in pvp?
Magdk main and it has no execute.0 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don't think every class should have an execute. I think it's fine to have differences between them.
I do think it's a bit weird that stam gets one very good, one good and one ok execute from weapons while mag has none.
And it really shows the impact in pvp. Mag DK, mag warden and mag necro have the hardest time closing kills from my experience, when they aren't reliant on procs.
So if we ever (hopefully soon) go away from a proc meta, these three will once again feel really underwhelming in solo and small group pvp.
Mag warden and magcro especially, as burst is a lot harder to land without a reliable CC.0 -
Vanagrand✭✭✭To face toe to toe as a magdk(my main) against a decent, not good, just decent, stamcro or stamden i must go proc heavy. Its sad, but is the only way.
Templars are a joke, specially magicka templar that can only work with Zaan.
The only mag class i saw viable without procs is magsorc. But even them when using procs can hit harder.
Stamcro and stamden dont have that problem at all.
And when you need procs to be able to face that classes saying that everything is balanced is just a bad joke.
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wheem_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Uh, what? Stamina Sorcerer is one of the best PvP classes in the game right now...The power gap doesn't come from stamina or magicka. It's the classes like templar(both magicka and stamina), stamina sorcerer, magicka nightblade. These classes need a buff to be equal to other classes: necro, warden and dk. They are really underpowered when compared to these classes.4 -
Elo106✭✭✭✭✭Magicka and stamina classes are mostly balanced in pvp. Stamina classes have huge burst capabilities and magicka classes have more utility functions. Stamina classes lack a reliable CC. They only have dizzy offbalance stun while most magicka classes have a unique CC skill like fear, arctic stun, fossilize, toppling charged etc. Most magicka classes have burst heal from their class skills while stamina classes only have vigor+rally and you need to wait for it to fully heal you.
There are also class based executes for magicka classes: sorc fury, templar beam, nightblade impale, warden bear ulti attack and pulsar with inferno staff from destro skill line that you can pair it with brp inferno. It's also a good magicka proc with 1 unique weapon and you can use it in all magicka classes. They are not as much powerful as executioner but that's how it should be to be balanced.
The power gap doesn't come from stamina or magicka. It's the classes like templar(both magicka and stamina), stamina sorcerer, magicka nightblade. These classes need a buff to be equal to other classes: necro, warden and dk. They are really underpowered when compared to these classes.
The thing with CC is stam builds can and still do run them, even if they cost magicka. EG: Stamden Arctic, DK Fossilize, Stamblade Fear. Same with hp scaling burst heals.
Magicka builds on the other hand cant run stam executes or skills for obvious reasons.
Pulsar inferno execute is not worth it at all its a few 100 damage less than 1k. It really is not an option in pvp.
Regarding classes a magcro is no where near the same strength as stamcro, same with most classes. Stamblade is alot stronger than magblade etc4 -
yeyesil✭✭To face toe to toe as a magdk(my main) against a decent, not good, just decent, stamcro or stamden i must go proc heavy. Its sad, but is the only way.
Templars are a joke, specially magicka templar that can only work with Zaan.
The only mag class i saw viable without procs is magsorc. But even them when using procs can hit harder.
Stamcro and stamden dont have that problem at all.
And when you need procs to be able to face that classes saying that everything is balanced is just a bad joke.
Magdk is really cancer atm when built with right build and procs. My magdk wears light armor and easily can burn every class without heavy armor or execute. Play it with good block timing and it will be OP. Why do you people try to find a nonproc build? If meta is proc sets, you should use them. Its not a shame to use the most powerful build in the game. Classes are mostly balanced but templars, stamsorcs and magblades are really behind the meta. I play PC-EU and this is what I see in IC, Cyrodiil and duels. Azureblight stamsorcs are crazy but azureblight set is just broken not stamsorcs and nobrainer permamist zaan vateshran magplars are viable only in nocp pvp zones.0 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭Stamina players listen.
You are saying here that mag doesn't need a execute, in the same time you guys ask for ban proc sets.
Everybody knows that mag classes need proc to be close to stamina in pvp.
So what do you guys want???????
Everybody playing stamina?
Did you guys see what happened in the Cyrodill test? The only magclass there was the magsorc.
So stop to think only in your play style, everybody knows that mag needs a real weapon execute.
Edited by UntouchableHunter on 5 March 2021 14:523