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The procs sets were hidden the real problem: Unbalanced
UntouchableHunter
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We just saw that the proc sets were not the cause of the bad performance. Actually we already knew it.
But without proc sets we just saw how unbalanced it is the classes in a raw environment.
The proc was carrying some classes and without the procs the gap is just insane.
Magsorcs, Stamcro, Stamden are like gods with only this sets.
Stamdk that was good with seventh Legion, nma and other for exemplo, just lost part of the power.
Magcro and magdks are dead now.
I never saw so many Magsorcs in this game.
Players that I never saw with Magsorcs are playing with this class during the test.
Now we can see how unbalanced the classes are and I hope ZOS fix it next patch.
But without proc sets we just saw how unbalanced it is the classes in a raw environment.
The proc was carrying some classes and without the procs the gap is just insane.
Magsorcs, Stamcro, Stamden are like gods with only this sets.
Stamdk that was good with seventh Legion, nma and other for exemplo, just lost part of the power.
Magcro and magdks are dead now.
I never saw so many Magsorcs in this game.
Players that I never saw with Magsorcs are playing with this class during the test.
Now we can see how unbalanced the classes are and I hope ZOS fix it next patch.
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Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »We just saw that the proc sets were not the cause of the bad performance. Actually we already knew it.
But without proc sets we just saw how unbalanced it is the classes in a raw environment.
The proc was carrying some classes and without the procs the gap is just insane.
Magsorcs, Stamcro, Stamden are like gods with only this sets.
Stamdk that was good with seventh Legion, nma and other for exemplo, just lost part of the power.
Magcro and magdks are dead now.
I never saw so many Magsorcs in this game.
Players that I never saw with Magsorcs are playing with this class during the test.
Now we can see how unbalanced the classes are and I hope ZOS fix it next patch.
Welcome to the first 4 years of ESO PVP, glad you could join us.26 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Magsorc = shields, heal by damage done, execute on a timer with an aoe burst, teleport that stuns, pets that heal or stun, insta cast frag on demand timer, defensive stun buff, and immobilize.
It's literally the most powerful no sets class. Only other magsorc or ganker builds can easily contend with it but all the other classes... its an uphill fight that relies on the magsorc to be a mediocre player.20 -
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✭✭✭✭✭orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »Magsorc = shields, heal by damage done, execute on a timer with an aoe burst, teleport that stuns, pets that heal or stun, insta cast frag on demand timer, defensive stun buff, and immobilize.
It's literally the most powerful no sets class. Only other magsorc or ganker builds can easily contend with it but all the other classes... its an uphill fight that relies on the magsorc to be a mediocre player.
And not enough bar space to fit it all without making sacrifices. And shields pretty much become useless outnumbered because they don't scale.8 -
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✭Magsorc as a class was always good at killing players with little PvP experience. It's no surprise to me the class shines in a situation where a lot of players have to adapt their build from years of proc abuse to a totally new situation.
It's a good class. But it got a lot of nerfs over the years too, and it's not harder to counter than other classes if you bother to learn how to deal with them. The only thing that really annoys me are the pets.no CP PvP PC/EU
EP Zergborn
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Trayyacakes✭✭✭✭I agree that all the sets that are disabled does show glaring weaknesses in classes. The strength of mag sorc is they can set up burst relatively easy and can pretty much engage and disengage at will... it’s hard to kill a good sorc who decides they are gonna run, I don’t think that’s necessarily a problem as a good nightblade can do the same thing when cloak works properly. I would prefer to see the other classes tool kits worked on than anything happen to sorcs though...Bjorn Uldnost7 -
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✭Goregrinder wrote: »Welcome to the first 4 years of ESO PVP, glad you could join us.
That's why I've been unabashedly defending the ability of Malacath to buff procs. It's been the most effective thing to solve the rampant class imbalance we've had since day 1, even if it has caused other issues. Also I've been slogging it out on StamDK all this time so I'm enjoying our time in the sun.
Edited by Urzigurumash on 18 February 2021 06:22Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast5 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let this test be a reminder to those that've forgotten, or a notice to those that never knewXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast3 -
Sleep724✭✭✭✭✭MagSorc has always been top tier. New players don’t even know how long their shields use to last, no crits on shields, frags that stun, undodgeable rune cage, a fire and forget execute. Good players were almost impossible to kill. Instead of nerfing Sorcs, other classes that rely on armor sets, malacath and procs need to be improved.
It’s just amazing that stamina Templar gets nerfs to it’s damage over time and stam DK still has poopfist and no passives that buff it’s damage but magSorcS capabilities has only been matched by the new classes in stamWarden, stamNecro and the old stamNB.8 -
Yamenstein✭✭✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »We just saw that the proc sets were not the cause of the bad performance. Actually we already knew it.
But without proc sets we just saw how unbalanced it is the classes in a raw environment.
The proc was carrying some classes and without the procs the gap is just insane.
Magsorcs, Stamcro, Stamden are like gods with only this sets.
Stamdk that was good with seventh Legion, nma and other for exemplo, just lost part of the power.
Magcro and magdks are dead now.
I never saw so many Magsorcs in this game.
Players that I never saw with Magsorcs are playing with this class during the test.
Now we can see how unbalanced the classes are and I hope ZOS fix it next patch.
Doubt it'll ever change 🙁Crown Crates are a trap. Don't fall for the gamble! Balance? What Balance? Balance, smellance.
Necro for them RP feels.0 -
Shomenuchi✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »
Magcro and magdks are dead now.
As magdk in non cp I feel like a god for the first time0 -
Udrath✭✭✭✭Magsorcs are strong because most didn’t have to alter their set ups. Max magicka is pretty optimal. Crafty Alfiq, grace of ancients, willpower. Easily 15k+ worth of shields in No-cp.
Stamdens though.... shalks/dizzy never been so easy with the new shalks LOL7 -
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✭Sorc = Master Race
Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...3 -
Crom_CCCXVI✭✭✭✭✭If by unbalanced you mean that anything aside from the Group META of AOE spamming ball group or tanky hard to kill stam character is what you mean, sure..1
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UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »If by unbalanced you mean that anything aside from the Group META of AOE spamming ball group or tanky hard to kill stam character is what you mean, sure..
I do think a coordinated group playing on discord, with selected roles, sets and skills deserve to be Meta for sure. No problem at all.
The problem is when you get a really good group of 12 good players and they can't kill one sorc. Than something is wrong.
Somebody would say that the sorc is a skilled player . I really wana see that same player with a magcro or magdk fighting a coordinated group of 12 good players and don't die.
When I start to se this same players doing the same with another classes I will agree that they are making the difference and not the class.Edited by UntouchableHunter on 19 February 2021 05:161 -
Bergzorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »The problem is when you get a really good group of 12 good players and they can't kill one sorc. Than something is wrong.
Show me that "really good group of 12 good players" please.no CP PvP PC/EU
EP Zergborn
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Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭Cyrdemaceb17_ESO wrote: »
No, sorc defo need nerf. It just the way it is. Also sorc skills like streak need to be added to guild skills, so i can use on all my chars
like they gave the nb skills also away. I think sorc skills are better. Want 'em on all. 1 -
jecks33✭✭✭✭✭
✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »
The problem is when you get a really good group of 12 good players and they can't kill one sorc. Than something is wrong.
Somebody would say that the sorc is a skilled player . I really wana see that same player with a magcro or magdk fighting a coordinated group of 12 good players and don't die.
youtube is litterally full of one dk, one nb, one warden, one *put a random class here* Vs. 12 "good players".
If 12 people can't kill a sorc maybe the problem is in their hands, not in the sorc class..
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dominguero96✭✭✭I'd rather chase a magsorc (that knows how to play/move) through all cyrodiil than getting back to players with stumps as hands that can only kill with proc sets or with pay to win classes.
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ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »We just saw that the proc sets were not the cause of the bad performance. Actually we already knew it.
Not factual.
They reverted healing to no longer be group-only, which reintroduces a lot of lag back into the game.
So you can't compare this weeks to last weeks as the impact of procs on performance.
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »We just saw that the proc sets were not the cause of the bad performance. Actually we already knew it.
Not factual.
They reverted healing to no longer be group-only, which reintroduces a lot of lag back into the game.
So you can't compare this weeks to last weeks as the impact of procs on performance.
Not factual.
ZOS has publicly stated that the healing changes did not have an appreciable impact on performance and it's certainly possible to compare the impact of proc sets when comparing performance with pre November before ZOS made the healing change.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.10 -
ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »UntouchableHunter wrote: »We just saw that the proc sets were not the cause of the bad performance. Actually we already knew it.
Not factual.
They reverted healing to no longer be group-only, which reintroduces a lot of lag back into the game.
So you can't compare this weeks to last weeks as the impact of procs on performance.
Not factual.
ZOS has publicly stated that the healing changes did not have an appreciable impact on performance and it's certainly possible to compare the impact of proc sets when comparing performance with pre November before ZOS made the healing change.
True in a way.
The healing change only made a minor performance increase, although the impact on gameplay was a huge positive.
The performance this week is better again, despite them reverting the healing change.
However it's still unplayable in a full campaign, which PC/EU Ravenwatch is every day.
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✭✭✭✭✭Magsorcs are strong because most didn’t have to alter their set ups. Max magicka is pretty optimal. Crafty Alfiq, grace of ancients, willpower. Easily 15k+ worth of shields in No-cp.
Agreed. If you’re used to using another set-up, it can take longer to adapt. I was already using Crafty Alfiq and Spinners on my mag sorc so only had to switch up the monster set.
Sorcs have already been nerfed and more is not needed. If other classes are lacking, fix them instead. I’m not familiar with Dragonknight, but I could see some Templar passives being improved. Although I recall seeing cries for nerfs there because people do not like jabs... And for stamina generally people cry about 2H abilities... Clearly no one should be allowed to have any fun.
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UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »
The problem is when you get a really good group of 12 good players and they can't kill one sorc. Than something is wrong.
Somebody would say that the sorc is a skilled player . I really wana see that same player with a magcro or magdk fighting a coordinated group of 12 good players and don't die.
youtube is litterally full of one dk, one nb, one warden, one *put a random class here* Vs. 12 "good players".
If 12 people can't kill a sorc maybe the problem is in their hands, not in the sorc class..
I'm not talking about random players fighting in the same spot.
I'm talking about coordenated guild groups with good players, ball groups the same groups some guys here are asking to be banned because they are broken.
I'm not telling that the one sorc will kill the group, no, but we are seeing good Sorcs engaing and running the group leader ask to forget the troll and focus the objectives. Because the group can't chase the sorc without split.
If you guys are not seeing this, maybe is because you play only solo or small groups.
As I told I wana see this YouTube players doing the same with magcro o magdk and not fighting random guys but fight good guild groups.
I have some videos that I could post here when really good streamers are killing random players and when I come to fighting I can kill this streamers and I keep at the resources to get the points to the campaign and some of then send me messages asking why I'm snipping streaming them, but I'm not, I'm only protecting the resources. And this really good players a lot of time don't return to the resource or say "this weirdo player again" 🤣.
They don't understand that I'm not fighting them. I'm fighting for points for my faction I'm fighting for the resources.
So I'm only telling this to let you know that I now the difference between a coordenated guild group and those selecteds 1vx videos against random players.
I respect all this YouTube guys but they are not gods, but they can't do the same with all the other classes.
And finally I would say with all respect, if you don't think sorc is out performing in this test, with respect again, you are only thinking different from everybody.Edited by UntouchableHunter on 19 February 2021 16:241 -
techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭There would be less problems with sorc if gap closers didn't have a high chance of desyncing you while streak being targetless seems to work fine. And pets/engine guarding being a free meat shield/LOS is a pain. And the game suddenly got bugged to where it can be hard to track a sorc when they do streak.
Mostly just bad game coding than balance.3
https://youtu.be/oATyCCCZd3Q