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forums are turning into a hell hole.
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accusations going around of sexual assault for tea-bagging in game, sexist comments being made, aimed at men. and the devs arent doing much about it. not being funny but these forums are just becoming ridiculously toxic and something should be done.
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Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh, it's you again. Third thread, same topic.accusations going around of sexual assault for tea-bagging in game
No one did that.sexist comments being made, aimed at men
Telling the truth is sexist? I'm sorry, but most criminals are men, you can see it in every crime statistic. Which doesn't mean all men are criminals. Which no one said, btw. The only thing someone wrote was that some "insecure young men" (that's a quote) show problematic behaviours sometimes. Why are you bothered by that? Honestly, I'm really wondering why you feel insulted by that and I don't? I know that that quote does not insult me in any way.
Edited by Syldras on 2 February 2021 19:55@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
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MaxWacksem✭✭✭I noticed something, wolfbane your posts are typically "someone must...." "people are...". I mean it's pretty much hearsay, you say people are "saying/doing" no screen shots, nothing but rumor and gossip. And end up promoting this "alleged" bad behavior.
A question. When exactly did you get appointed Moral Arbitrator of the community?
Every time you point a finger, three are pointing back.
Just some thoughts.
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭why can't people just erase labels and get along...
it's like racism, half of it exists cause we even label it...
Actually I'm not even going to bother to go further about this topic cause people will just be people. Just leave it the F out of my virtual world.Edited by Nyladreas on 2 February 2021 19:542 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭Oh, it's you again. Third thread, same topic.accusations going around of sexual assault for tea-bagging in game
No one did that.sexist comments being made, aimed at men
Telling the truth is sexist? I'm sorry, but most criminals are men, you can see it in every crime statistic. Which doesn't mean all men are criminals (which no one said, btw). I'm really wondering why you feel insulted by that and I don't?
Thats a slippery slope you're on. Just a reminder that this exact logic was and still is used by bigots when talking about ethnic groups. "It's just a fact though". Not really. Causation and correlation are two very different things. Single layer analysis is utterly useless. It's one piece to a large puzzle and representing just one piece is misinformation and intentional deceit. For example, men are far more prone to anti-social disorders. Anti social disorders are the single biggest predictor of violent crime on an individual level. What is the cause? The gender or the disorder?
I mean this is gonna get locked quick but hopefully if you can take anything away from this is don't spreading bad single layer information and 1 to 1 conclusions.
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
-Mark TwainEdited by Eedat on 2 February 2021 19:551 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For example, men are far more prone to anti-social disorders. Anti social disorders are the single biggest predictor of violent crime on an individual level.
Edited my post for clarification. The whole point is: OP is obviously feeling insulted because someone wrote in his other thread that unfriendly behaviour in PvP occurs "naturally", as there are probably some young men around who feel insecure and have to act dominant for compensation. A well-known real life example was given. I'm really wondering where the scandal is? Some young guys act like Rambo to hide their insecurities. That's a common observation, no sexism. No one said "all young men" or even "all men". No one said it's because of their gender either. Actually it was a remark such as what I quoted from you here.
Edited by Syldras on 2 February 2021 20:06@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake4 -
Lephrel✭✭✭✭✭Literally every time I die in pvp, I get tbagged by someone. I don't mind it at all, just pointing out that everyone, myself included, acts that way some times. Everyone gets angry in pvp sometimes, and the people who never vent their anger by tbagging aren't necessarily nicer in my experience. Bottom line: There's toxic pvpers and there's pvpers that lie about being toxic. ^^
So the latter group of players will try to act all virtuous, and will claim to be outraged by the barbaric practice of tbagging. Some will go as far as to say it's should be considered sexual assault or a declared warcrime that's banned under Geneva convention. I'm sure they consider their activism on the forums to be their good deed of the day, and they believe it will firmly establish them within the community as people of unimpeachable moral character.
The former group, mainly comprised of edgy teenagers who are trying to act all callous and cool by embracing their own toxicity, will try to stir the pot by calling out the obvious hypocrisy of others and sharing their heroic tales of tbagging.
The derailing of the thread was inevitable.
I don't see what you want ZOS to do about it though. Unless you believe the mods should ban people for starting pointless discussions, the best they can do is lock toxic threads (which is what they did).
Btw I'm sure this discussion will meet a similar fate. So let's just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show, maybe earn a couple awesomes in the process.
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wolfbone✭✭✭✭✭Literally every time I die in pvp, I get tbagged by someone. I don't mind it at all, just pointing out that everyone, myself included, acts that way some times. Everyone gets angry in pvp sometimes, and the people who never vent their anger by tbagging aren't necessarily nicer in my experience. Bottom line: There's toxic pvpers and there's pvpers that lie about being toxic. ^^
So the latter group of players will try to act all virtuous, and will claim to be outraged by the barbaric practice of tbagging. Some will go as far as to say it's should be considered sexual assault or a declared warcrime that's banned under Geneva convention. I'm sure they consider their activism on the forums to be their good deed of the day, and they believe it will firmly establish them within the community as people of unimpeachable moral character.
The former group, mainly comprised of edgy teenagers who are trying to act all callous and cool by embracing their own toxicity, will try to stir the pot by calling out the obvious hypocrisy of others and sharing their heroic tales of tbagging.
The derailing of the thread was inevitable.
I don't see what you want ZOS to do about it though. Unless you believe the mods should ban people for starting pointless discussions, the best they can do is lock toxic threads (which is what they did).
Btw I'm sure this discussion will meet a similar fate. So let's just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show, maybe earn a couple awesomes in the process.
I just dont think such a topic should be on the forums. it's not suitable. this is for game discussions, not things like sexual assault.
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Eedat✭✭✭✭✭For example, men are far more prone to anti-social disorders. Anti social disorders are the single biggest predictor of violent crime on an individual level.
Edited my post for clarification. The whole point is: OP is obviously feeling insulted because someone wrote in his other thread that unfriendly behaviour in PvP occurs "naturally", as there are probably some young men around who feel insecure and have to act dominant for compensation. A well-known real life example was given. I'm really wondering where the scandal is? Some young guys act like Rambo to hide their insecurities. That's a common observation, no sexism. No one said "all young men" or even "all men". No one said it's because of their gender either. Actually it was a remark such as what I quoted from you here.
Yeah I was just pointing out that sometimes "it's just a fact" is intentionally misleading. Anywho this thread should be locked up soon anyway.0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The whole world is at each other's throats lately.
Probably because we have such good role models.0 -
TaffyIX✭✭✭Meh... Sticks and stones... Some folks need to get a thicker skin. I take great delight in downing some PvP folk with my very much PvE orientated playstyle, however when I die in IC/Cyro(and die I do... A LOT) it really is nothing to get bent out of shape over 🤷♂️😁Edited by TaffyIX on 2 February 2021 20:38Breton Templar
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I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.0 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »The whole world is at each other's throats lately.
Probably because we have such good role models.
I think that group thinking is one of the problems. "Us against them". Labels. Prejudices. Lack of differentiation.NordSwordnBoard wrote: »
Great movie, by the way! Just watched it again last week.@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake2 -
robertthebard✭✭✭✭✭So let me be sure I'm getting this right, we have a PvPer on the forums because someone said something bad about them? Isn't one of the primary mantras of the PvP crowd to "grow a thicker skin"?
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