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Broken Talons - Really?
scy22b14_ESO
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Is it just me, or does there seem to be no diminishing returns/ cc immunity trigger when it comes to roots in this game?
I'm routinely getting root spammed to death by DKs. Diving out of them, waiting for them to run their course only results in another immediate root. Circle strafing around a rooted target makes them unable to target you, essentially acting as a spammable stun. Ad infinitum until death.
Does the game not consider roots CC? Is this a bug, or intended? Whatever the case. It's a problem.
I'm routinely getting root spammed to death by DKs. Diving out of them, waiting for them to run their course only results in another immediate root. Circle strafing around a rooted target makes them unable to target you, essentially acting as a spammable stun. Ad infinitum until death.
Does the game not consider roots CC? Is this a bug, or intended? Whatever the case. It's a problem.
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NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭haha. See my thread of the same name.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/84360/broken-talons-in-dragon-knights-online#latest
I go in depth about the mechanics and what makes this skill special (specially Broken.)0 -
Carde✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CC is fine when the CC break/immunity mechanics function with said CC.
Roots were removed from this mechanic a few months back and placed onto their own separate "roll to break" mechanic. You're welcome. You were thankful, right?Member of the Psijic Order PTS Group0 -
Reavan✭✭✭It is broken, lets hope it get's nerfed into a viable yet not overpowered state like many things in PVP atm........................0 -
scy22b14_ESO✭✭✭haha. See my thread of the same name.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/84360/broken-talons-in-dragon-knights-online#latest
I go in depth about the mechanics and what makes this skill special (specially Broken.)
Ah very good. At least its getting its due attention.
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Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dunno about other DK's, but spamming burning talons will very quickly deplete my magicka, then i'm a sitting duck.1 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CC is fine when the CC break/immunity mechanics function with said CC.
Roots were removed from this mechanic a few months back and placed onto their own separate "roll to break" mechanic. You're welcome. You were thankful, right?
Roll to break would be fine if rolling out also gave you the immunity.0 -
scy22b14_ESO✭✭✭Drachenfier wrote: »Dunno about other DK's, but spamming burning talons will very quickly deplete my magicka, then i'm a sitting duck.
That goes for any spammable ability in the game. The difference is, this is a spammable CC. Someone shouldn't lose control of their character for any more than 1 cc in a row. Ive been talon spammed 7+ times consecutively. There's simply no excuse for that, no matter the mana cost.
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Reavan✭✭✭No CC should be spamable.
If you use it once on a person it should not affect them again for the next x amount.
Use a different spell? Ok. But seriously..1 -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭scy22b14_ESO wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »Dunno about other DK's, but spamming burning talons will very quickly deplete my magicka, then i'm a sitting duck.
That goes for any spammable ability in the game. The difference is, this is a spammable CC. Someone shouldn't lose control of their character for any more than 1 cc in a row. Ive been talon spammed 7+ times consecutively. There's simply no excuse for that, no matter the mana cost.
Really? sounds like a huge amount of exaggeration in this thread0 -
scy22b14_ESO✭✭✭Drachenfier wrote: »scy22b14_ESO wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »Dunno about other DK's, but spamming burning talons will very quickly deplete my magicka, then i'm a sitting duck.
That goes for any spammable ability in the game. The difference is, this is a spammable CC. Someone shouldn't lose control of their character for any more than 1 cc in a row. Ive been talon spammed 7+ times consecutively. There's simply no excuse for that, no matter the mana cost.
Really? sounds like a huge amount of exaggeration in this thread
None actually. Currently a VR 3 stamina based NB. I've encountered high VRs who have chained together enough roots to counter every roll until my stam was completely gone, and every dark cloak until all my mana was gone, in one fight. So until you've experienced it yourself, take your conjecture elsewhere.
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beravinprb19_ESO✭✭✭While I agree that it is a problem, if you mess with it, you make it very difficult for melee builds to function. We need it to locks down Nightblades with shadow cloak, and Sorcerers with bolt escape, for example. Without it, we just get kited all over the field.0
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RaZaddha✭✭✭beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »While I agree that it is a problem, if you mess with it, you make it very difficult for melee builds to function. We need it to locks down Nightblades with shadow cloak, and Sorcerers with bolt escape, for example. Without it, we just get kited all over the field.
What about the other classes? Only DKs have talons, are they the only class allowed to have effective melee builds? Besides you can Bolt Escape while rootedEdited by RaZaddha on 21 April 2014 21:280 -
beravinprb19_ESO✭✭✭beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »While I agree that it is a problem, if you mess with it, you make it very difficult for melee builds to function. We need it to locks down Nightblades with shadow cloak, and Sorcerers with bolt escape, for example. Without it, we just get kited all over the field.
What about the other classes? Only DKs have talons, are they the only class allowed to have melee builds? Besides you can Bolt Escape while rooted
Pfft. Sorcerers are the only ones with bolt escape, and I have to deal with that. Right now, they are the only ones allowed to get away from a bad situation. Besides, Nightblades have the damage to make up for it. I have no experience with Templars, so no comment.
Edited by beravinprb19_ESO on 21 April 2014 21:320 -
Oblongship✭✭✭✭This wont be nerfed...the magicka cost is really high and you will be out in a matter of 2 - 3 times.
After that you die QUICK. Also it doesn't last long at all.1 -
lao✭✭✭✭Oblongship wrote: »This wont be nerfed...the magicka cost is really high and you will be out in a matter of 2 - 3 times.
After that you die QUICK. Also it doesn't last long at all.
^lol´d hard at that bad DK trying to save his OP ***.1 -
I don't blame a dk to come rushing to save an ability that can basicly give an easy kill. I too have encounter the back to back cc root and thought it might have just been a bug those few times. I was wrong, just another ability working perfectly in balance for the DK.0
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Carde✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oblongship wrote: »This wont be nerfed...the magicka cost is really high and you will be out in a matter of 2 - 3 times.
After that you die QUICK. Also it doesn't last long at all.
^lol´d hard at that bad DK trying to save his OP ***.
I don't play a DK anymore (did on the PTS) and I think Dark/Burning Talons is fine. Some people really, really hate DKs but I don't see the big deal personally.
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scy22b14_ESO✭✭✭Oblongship wrote: »This wont be nerfed...the magicka cost is really high and you will be out in a matter of 2 - 3 times.
After that you die QUICK. Also it doesn't last long at all.
^lol´d hard at that bad DK trying to save his OP ***.
I don't play a DK anymore (did on the PTS) and I think Dark/Burning Talons is fine. Some people really, really hate DKs but I don't see the big deal personally.
It's a spammable cc that doesn't trigger diminishing returns / immunity. Magic based DK's have no issues at all repeatedly applying it in combat, and it totally locks out all melee classes from being able to retaliate. I appreciate your opinion, but you're simply wrong.0 -
Oblongship✭✭✭✭Oblongship wrote: »This wont be nerfed...the magicka cost is really high and you will be out in a matter of 2 - 3 times.
After that you die QUICK. Also it doesn't last long at all.
^lol´d hard at that bad DK trying to save his OP ***.
I lol'd hard at your failed attempt to counter my argument.0 -
scy22b14_ESO✭✭✭Oblongship wrote: »Oblongship wrote: »This wont be nerfed...the magicka cost is really high and you will be out in a matter of 2 - 3 times.
After that you die QUICK. Also it doesn't last long at all.
^lol´d hard at that bad DK trying to save his OP ***.
I lol'd hard at your failed attempt to counter my argument.
Your argument fell flat when you said it's only castable 2-3 times. It became instantly apparent you have never seen a magic based high VR DK abuse this skill.1 -
Orchish✭✭✭✭✭
✭scy22b14_ESO wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »scy22b14_ESO wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »Dunno about other DK's, but spamming burning talons will very quickly deplete my magicka, then i'm a sitting duck.
That goes for any spammable ability in the game. The difference is, this is a spammable CC. Someone shouldn't lose control of their character for any more than 1 cc in a row. Ive been talon spammed 7+ times consecutively. There's simply no excuse for that, no matter the mana cost.
Really? sounds like a huge amount of exaggeration in this thread
None actually. Currently a VR 3 stamina based NB. I've encountered high VRs who have chained together enough roots to counter every roll until my stam was completely gone, and every dark cloak until all my mana was gone, in one fight. So until you've experienced it yourself, take your conjecture elsewhere.
So you're fighting groups of DK's? Might want to group up your self.0 -
scy22b14_ESO✭✭✭scy22b14_ESO wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »scy22b14_ESO wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »Dunno about other DK's, but spamming burning talons will very quickly deplete my magicka, then i'm a sitting duck.
That goes for any spammable ability in the game. The difference is, this is a spammable CC. Someone shouldn't lose control of their character for any more than 1 cc in a row. Ive been talon spammed 7+ times consecutively. There's simply no excuse for that, no matter the mana cost.
Really? sounds like a huge amount of exaggeration in this thread
None actually. Currently a VR 3 stamina based NB. I've encountered high VRs who have chained together enough roots to counter every roll until my stam was completely gone, and every dark cloak until all my mana was gone, in one fight. So until you've experienced it yourself, take your conjecture elsewhere.
So you're fighting groups of DK's? Might want to group up your self.
Should it matter? If you live long enough to get immobilized 5+ times in a row, the amount of people you're facing is a red herring. What you should be focusing on is the fact that you can be immobilized 5+ times in a row.
There's a simple fix to it. Allow the 7 second immunity timer to take effect upon rolling out of immobilization.0 -
Carde✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭scy22b14_ESO wrote: »It's a spammable cc that doesn't trigger diminishing returns / immunity. Magic based DK's have no issues at all repeatedly applying it in combat, and it totally locks out all melee classes from being able to retaliate. I appreciate your opinion, but you're simply wrong.
All the people that managed to beat me doing it, and all the people I managed to beat that were doing it, must be wrong then. Its not the end all be all skill, its just good.
The problem with this game is not all of the skills in it are good. Some are just completely useless or very niche. The skills that are good and useful in almost all situations are the ones people are going to cry about until they're nerfed into being as useless as the rest of the skills in this game.Member of the Psijic Order PTS Group0 -
Bunk✭✭✭
Sounds like a l2p issue to mescy22b14_ESO wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »scy22b14_ESO wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »Dunno about other DK's, but spamming burning talons will very quickly deplete my magicka, then i'm a sitting duck.
That goes for any spammable ability in the game. The difference is, this is a spammable CC. Someone shouldn't lose control of their character for any more than 1 cc in a row. Ive been talon spammed 7+ times consecutively. There's simply no excuse for that, no matter the mana cost.
Really? sounds like a huge amount of exaggeration in this thread
None actually. Currently a VR 3 stamina based NB. I've encountered high VRs who have chained together enough roots to counter every roll until my stam was completely gone, and every dark cloak until all my mana was gone, in one fight. So until you've experienced it yourself, take your conjecture elsewhere.
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