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Wrath of Elements and Zaan

hesobad
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How much longer will it take ZOS to balance this game? People running around with Wrath of Elements and Zaan just crutching on these 2 sets in PvP and actually getting kills on bad players. How can sets like this be a thing in PvP. ZOS listen to your community WE DO NOT WANT SETS LIKE THIS GIVING FREE DAMAGE IN PVP!!!!! GET RID OF THEM IN PVP WE WANT TO PLAY THE GAME NOT THE GAME PLAY ITSELF WITH PROC SETS!
Ad Victoriam!
  • Joinovikova
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    hesobad wrote: »
    How much longer will it take ZOS to balance this game? People running around with Wrath of Elements and Zaan just crutching on these 2 sets in PvP and actually getting kills on bad players. How can sets like this be a thing in PvP. ZOS listen to your community WE DO NOT WANT SETS LIKE THIS GIVING FREE DAMAGE IN PVP!!!!! GET RID OF THEM IN PVP WE WANT TO PLAY THE GAME NOT THE GAME PLAY ITSELF WITH PROC SETS!

    the problem is not idiot zaan or stupid staff alone but both sets are most bugged ever. thanks to joke performance some times I still have zaan on me even after two streaks (30y avway from my target) but low performence server simply do not calculated my postition properly ( if the sets works as they should it not susch problematic but they simply not)


    second probem is overall design which is simply stupid.. thanks to Corrupting Bloody Mara and Purifying Bloody Mara it allow u to be in mist form neraly 24/7 also Elusive Mist increase your speed and remove any snare affect so today strategy is be in leave mist for to proc zaan stupid staf and another proc set and go back to mist form since zaan and stupid staff and another proc set stay active while u are in mist form . so all u need is proc sets and go back to mist form and follow your target. if your targhet managed to escape which is possible only with sorc or nb shade since u cant be snared and have major expedition or manage to survive which means he also need to be vampire and go to mist form or masive stam tank. nothing happned u just relax in mist form rolling around any texture it give u give you unterget ability also thanks to poor performance on the server and wait until your proc set cd reset and then do it again. mist form makes u neraly unkilable at nearly zero price at stagge 4 if u need for some reaon be stage 1 u can easily swith with potion as u wish.. and go back to stage 4 also with pot. stack proc set mainly zaan can provide u with really decend dmg and u can do it while u are in mist unkilable form do not understaf why is mist form so cheap 1154 Magicka/1s with stage 4 and Vampire Lord u can stay in mist form 24/7 and still keep high bust damage form proc sets..

    I agree this is simply not fun to play..

    this is really embrasing if happedn at beta test on game but move this to production is masive fail..

  • Mr_Nobody
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    Are you saying you cant outheal zaan+wrath by using any of the heals this game offers? Or what is the problem?

    I am not defending proc sets, but your points are stupid.
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  • Xiomaro
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    Mr_Nobody wrote: »
    Are you saying you cant outheal zaan+wrath by using any of the heals this game offers? Or what is the problem?

    I am not defending proc sets, but your points are stupid.

    Have you ever been hit by this combo? It's pretty crazy in no CP and you can still fit Malacath and Eternal Vigor making you pretty tanky. It's rarely an issue for me because I mainly play Sorcerer so I can kite and line of sight the beams quite fast. But I imagine classes that don't have the mobility of Sorc/NB or the healing of Warden would stuuggle to keep up with the pressure.

    Zaan/Wrath of Elements and Unleashed/vMA are two peas in an overpowered proc set combo pod.
    Edited by Xiomaro on 12 December 2020 09:48
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  • Stahlor
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    Zaan's is 8 meters - Dizzying Swing is 7 meters. If you can't outreach that, you also have trouble with most of the melee skills.
  • Doczy
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    yea nerf them and seal the fate or magblade. %90 of magblade players build is zaan/vat/mala/2x trainee EV/DT/TP

    not our choice . we are running with this *** because we must . otherwise our damage /heals/armor = wet noodle/glass of water/paper
  • Xiomaro
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    Doczy wrote: »
    yea nerf them and seal the fate or magblade. %90 of magblade players build is zaan/vat/mala/2x trainee EV/DT/TP

    not our choice . we are running with this *** because we must . otherwise our damage /heals/armor = wet noodle/glass of water/paper

    Yeah, it's kinda crap that Magblades need these procs to be viable. I never mind a magblade with this stuff. It's gonna get ruined by the classes that don't need it to be viable though.
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  • Qbiken
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    I don't see zaan as much of an issue these days, wrath of elements however could use a range reduction and bug fixes so it properly breaks on LoS.
    Xiomaro wrote: »
    Mr_Nobody wrote: »
    Are you saying you cant outheal zaan+wrath by using any of the heals this game offers? Or what is the problem?

    I am not defending proc sets, but your points are stupid.

    Have you ever been hit by this combo? It's pretty crazy in no CP and you can still fit Malacath and Eternal Vigor making you pretty tanky. It's rarely an issue for me because I mainly play Sorcerer so I can kite and line of sight the beams quite fast. But I imagine classes that don't have the mobility of Sorc/NB or the healing of Warden would stuuggle to keep up with the pressure.

    Zaan/Wrath of Elements and Unleashed/vMA are two peas in an overpowered proc set combo pod.

    Agree, vMA 2h and unleashed are probably the two most overperforming dot sets atm. The moment you get two people running both of those sets on you, you're almost guaranteed to die.

    Would personally like to see a rework where multiple instances of the same set can't stack on an enemy player. This way a player can't have more than 1 unleashed dot or 1 vMA 2h dot on them at the same time.

    If not, the numbers or the proc conditions needs rework.
  • ivramirez
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    We have the information, the problem is clear, why it takes so long to make the necessary changes?
  • Waffennacht
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    I have Abomination which runs both and rebuke and 2h Vateshran

    Yes its way too much. To have 23k burst and potentially something like 60k DoT dmg without a single investment into stats or even a single offensive attack ability slotted....

    That being said; Zaan specifically and Wraith, LoS, and distance are decent counters.

    Zaan alone is balanced IMO since the distance Nerf.
    Wraith alone.... I dunno, I DO love it in PvE and it closes a gap on necromancer. BUT it is very powerful.

    Those two on a DK sounds strong but I feel that would be fair....

    I personally want stat based sets buffed by 20ish% and procs nerfed by 10/15%
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  • Doczy
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    tank proc builds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X100 than zaan/woe

    at least you can kill a magblade or magdk who uses it. or LOS or run away


    try to kill the guys with 35-40k hps with 30k resists and procs
  • Neloth
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    I have Abomination which runs both and rebuke and 2h Vateshran

    Yes its way too much. To have 23k burst and potentially something like 60k DoT dmg without a single investment into stats or even a single offensive attack ability slotted....

    That being said; Zaan specifically and Wraith, LoS, and distance are decent counters.

    Zaan alone is balanced IMO since the distance Nerf.
    Wraith alone.... I dunno, I DO love it in PvE and it closes a gap on necromancer. BUT it is very powerful.

    Those two on a DK sounds strong but I feel that would be fair....

    I personally want stat based sets buffed by 20ish% and procs nerfed by 10/15%

    Hey, I came from a long break to play my magprocnecro

    RN I run frost wrath of elements, black rose destro, torugs and malacath, what do you recommend to run as monster set? zaan is easily avoidable when it is used by slow necro without gap closer... I tried balgroth or 1domi + 3 trainee (instead of 2), but this way I'm not gathering enough salt in BGs
    Edited by Neloth on 14 December 2020 07:56
  • Pauls
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    Did you try to get good? Did it help?
  • Waffennacht
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    @Neloth if salt is what you want; you can always run EG and LoS it, you can run Chokethorn and get the salt of being very hard to kill.

    For offensive sets.... Bal (like you mentioned) is always solid. Some people like Maw, though I personally wouldn't. Grothdar sounds like a solid pair to wrath. - id think it would be buffed by Necro passive, and then add in Malacath its an easy 1k real dmg to add to wrath (it would proc only when in range thus never really wasted)

    For something different im leaning towards Grothdar.

    Personally I have a whole new idea for Necro that's fun and hopefully solid (still seeing how well it holds up in BGs as I finish leveling a few skills) if so, I'll share
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  • LinearParadox
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    Almost every BG I'm in, I see some cheeseball running this braindead combo.
    It's not unbeatable, but it is stupidly powerful for so little set/skill investment, and it's proc conditions are extremely easy to trigger and sync up.
    Anyone without purge/cloak to drop it is in serious trouble, and with the various techniques mentioned above, even some high-mobility classes/specs can struggle to break tether or LoS it.

    It is the epitome of the Proc-meta and everything wrong with the direction of this game; proc-focused simplistic combat with simplistic trigger conditions, massive damage that far outclasses any raw-stat set, with no skill involved in use.
    This is what people are talking about when they say "The game plays itself." and that is NOT a good thing.
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  • jaws343
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    @Neloth if salt is what you want; you can always run EG and LoS it, you can run Chokethorn and get the salt of being very hard to kill.

    For offensive sets.... Bal (like you mentioned) is always solid. Some people like Maw, though I personally wouldn't. Grothdar sounds like a solid pair to wrath. - id think it would be buffed by Necro passive, and then add in Malacath its an easy 1k real dmg to add to wrath (it would proc only when in range thus never really wasted)

    For something different im leaning towards Grothdar.

    Personally I have a whole new idea for Necro that's fun and hopefully solid (still seeing how well it holds up in BGs as I finish leveling a few skills) if so, I'll share

    I'm personally in the process of putting together a necro build using Zaan, Vateshran destro, and Overwhelming surge. Still farming the Surge pieces I need to finish it, but it is going to punish players who get close.
  • Waffennacht
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    @jaws343 I got something completely new cooking up on mag necro now. @MurderMostFoul and I got paired on the same team and destroyed the competition.

    It also runs Vateshran, but that's the only proc set really
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