I roll my nb now like all other chars, over 30k close to 40k health and low stam pool, but very high stam regen, almost 3k. My weapon damage is around 3k unbuffed. This works on all chars. Having low health and high stam does not work anymore. So i have also ditched spriggan and sets like that.

coj901 wrote: »

So before I left the game I was running bone pirate spriggins bloodspawn. I haven’t been doing very well so I put on venom smite and unfathomable darkness. Now I am straight rolling folks but I feel somewhat like a ***.

Is spriggins still a good set? I have a sword now so maybe a maul with sharpen or nirn? I was also thinking of trying briarheart and NMA or Stuhns.

Waffennacht wrote: »

No, its not. All stat based sets are under powered, less so factoring in CP, but for sure not worth it in no CP

I am a CP player who plays about half the classes in the game. I have only dabbled in stamblade, but I think stat-based setups are fine in CP. Someone recommended Briarheart + Stuhn to me. Maybe that's meta, but meh. The following is what I'm experimenting with and I like it. Many of the skills are still up in the air, especially Shadow Image would be the conventional choice instead of Mist Form. That said you can activate Mist in crouch and get the Darloc Brae bonus, which is interesting. Khajiit and Shadow mundus might be more damage, even accounting for the needed sustain changes. It's a work in progress.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=296203

coj901 wrote: »

I did stuhns and briarheart. Haven’t tested in cp yet but I did really well in BGs. I figure if it worked in no cp I’ll just switch some enchants around and it’ll be fine in cp

Proof, if ever it was needed, that it's all about mental attitude and the luck of the day. In other words, Briarheart + Stuhn is surely not that much different from Spriggan + Bone Pirate and neither are proc sets as OP as everyone says.

Waffennacht wrote: »

@fred4 my whole ESO career; essentially if Ive done well with it; its OP. And I do very well with Procs. Maybe not the best evidence, but almost always is the case.

I have no issues with them. There is only one big caveat to my experience in ESO: I really only play CP.

IMO some procs are strong, not all. Too strong? I couldn't say. Not really. Too prevalent in CP Cyro and IC? Most definitely not. I am just as likely to be killed by Dizzying Swing or some overloading magsorc than by a proc, or because some random DK threw in a Leap or Fossilize, or due to any number of things.

In terms of my own builds, I am currently using procs on my ostensibly weaker classes, magblade and stamsorc. That sounds like procs are strong and compensating for those weaknesses, but not really. It doesn't mean they're as good on other classes. I wouldn't forgo building for magicka on a magsorc (Alfiq etc), total mixed sustain on my magplar (Eternal Vigor + Amber Plasm) or weapon damage on my stam DK. The stamblade crit build I posted is insanely bursty against giants in PvE. That doesn't translate directly into PvP, but it looks promising and it plays like a crazy hybrid. In case of magblade, I think they have quietly turned a corner to where Acuity builds are also viable - the same factor that seems to have elevated that class in PvE this patch.

IMO half of the things in the game are strong in PvP and that's not limited to procs. People argue about skill and that strength should be strictly proportional to your skill level. I don't buy that argument. The reality is that a good PvPer outperforms a mediocre one in so many ways that have nothing to do with class and build. Then, where they're duelling or 1vXing and they get sniped or hit by a proc, they get salty. That's entitlement, pure and simple. They're already outperforming, but they want more.

Look, I'm not talking about you here. I merely believe that for some people that's exactly what's behind their vocal distaste for procs. On the other hand, if you simply say you want the game to be fair and sportsmanlike, then it's just that everything is working against you. It's an MMO. The game is not fair at it's very core. It gives people different tools and it allows arbitrary grouping in open world. Being outnumbered is, by far, the biggest factor that kills you. Once you start judging what amount of skill your opponents have, there is a big risk of descending into toxicity.