Should BG MMR be removed?

Draevik · November 2020

I personally don't care if I get destroyed in PVP, I just want to get quick queues and fight.

I am pretty sure having quicker queue times would be appealing to everyone.

What does everyone else think?

TBois · November 2020

No

I think they should make it visible so that players know who they may be going up against.

Edit: Even Pokemon has a visible ranking system.

Draevik · November 2020

TBois wrote: »

I think they should make it visible so that players know who they may be going up against.

Edit: Even Pokemon has a visible ranking system.

If it were just an indicator of PvP power instead of gating players behind an artificial wall I wouldn't mind MMR.
I am not sure how it works in other games, but I think separating players and increasing queue times is worse than a newer player having no chance. Most people learn from these losses the most, especially when fighting great opponents on a regular basis.

It is a double-edged sword as it has a chance of also deterring said new player from participating due to frustration. That is unfortunately always going to happen. With a quicker queue time at least the defeat doesn't leave such a sour taste .

nqvarihs · November 2020

if you mean remove this joke of a 'mmr' we currently have for actual mmr then yeah

otherwise no

TBois · November 2020

No

Draevik wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

I think they should make it visible so that players know who they may be going up against.

Edit: Even Pokemon has a visible ranking system.

If it were just an indicator of PvP power instead of gating players behind an artificial wall I wouldn't mind MMR.
I am not sure how it works in other games, but I think separating players and increasing queue times is worse than a newer player having no chance. Most people learn from these losses the most, especially when fighting great opponents on a regular basis.

It is a double-edged sword as it has a chance of also deterring said new player from participating due to frustration. That is unfortunately always going to happen. With a quicker queue time at least the defeat doesn't leave such a sour taste .

Some good points here, and I agree. Implementing a visible MMR would most likely need a more complex MMR system instead of one that is more about time played. I also think reducing the time to open up searches to a wider MMR for those with a high and low MMRs is completely necessary for the size of participation in BGs as it is.

Firstmep · November 2020

No

Draevik wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

I think they should make it visible so that players know who they may be going up against.

Edit: Even Pokemon has a visible ranking system.

If it were just an indicator of PvP power instead of gating players behind an artificial wall I wouldn't mind MMR.
I am not sure how it works in other games, but I think separating players and increasing queue times is worse than a newer player having no chance. Most people learn from these losses the most, especially when fighting great opponents on a regular basis.

It is a double-edged sword as it has a chance of also deterring said new player from participating due to frustration. That is unfortunately always going to happen. With a quicker queue time at least the defeat doesn't leave such a sour taste .

The second scenarion where new players get put off by being destroyed is the usual scenarion already.

Problem is that this game has terrible MMR system, you can lose 50 games in a row and still get put into matches with people that won 50 games in a row.

Thing is, if we remove MMR, we remove the last little bit of a cushion new players have in bgs vs sweaty hardcore players.

Of course you cant filter out players like this in cyrodiil, which is one of the main reasons for the neverending nerf posts and rage posts about just about everything on these forums.

redspecter23 · November 2020

No

They need to make the MMR work properly, not remove it completely.

Ideally, we could see our MMR and those of the others in the group so we had proof the system was working, but this is just not the case so we guess while ZOS has the actual information and chooses not to share how broken MMR actually is.

Grimlok_S · November 2020

Yes

If not removed, it should be adjusted from it's current implementation.

At present, we know MMR ranking is increased by # games played, with little to no weight placed against score or kills earned.

The current system only stands to increase queue times for players who play often.

Before the resets, I was seeing 20+ minute queue times on my most played BG toons, while less used characters would be nearly instant. Those characters are now approaching 10 minute waits during prime time.

This is the only game I have ever played that punishes players with wait times for queuing often, regardless of performance.

Draevik · November 2020

Grimlok_S wrote: »

If not removed, it should be adjusted from it's current implementation.

At present, we know MMR ranking is increased by # games played, with little to no weight placed against score or kills earned.

The current system only stands to increase queue times for players who play often.

Before the resets, I was seeing 20+ minute queue times on my most played BG toons, while less used characters would be nearly instant. Those characters are now approaching 10 minute waits during prime time.

This is the only game I have ever played that punishes players with wait times for queuing often, regardless of performance.

The only games I played extensive amounts of bgs on (aside from ESO of course) was Everquest 2 and SWTOR. In both of those I never experienced a wait time that I could remember.

It never punished players for playing a lot even if they weren't that great they just wanted to have fun and PVP. Which in my opinion is how it should be, as it stands there will always be lopsided matches from at least one dominant player.

Some matches you are just not going to win, it happens... But who cares? You have a few crappy matches but can constantly queue for matches and participate quickly. This is the best way to teach new players the ropes honestly, practice makes perfect.

SgtNuttzmeg · November 2020

No

They need to add MMR. The game already lacks it. XD

Grimlok_S · November 2020

Yes

Draevik wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

If not removed, it should be adjusted from it's current implementation.

At present, we know MMR ranking is increased by # games played, with little to no weight placed against score or kills earned.

The current system only stands to increase queue times for players who play often.

Before the resets, I was seeing 20+ minute queue times on my most played BG toons, while less used characters would be nearly instant. Those characters are now approaching 10 minute waits during prime time.

This is the only game I have ever played that punishes players with wait times for queuing often, regardless of performance.

The only games I played extensive amounts of bgs on (aside from ESO of course) was Everquest 2 and SWTOR. In both of those I never experienced a wait time that I could remember.

It never punished players for playing a lot even if they weren't that great they just wanted to have fun and PVP. Which in my opinion is how it should be, as it stands there will always be lopsided matches from at least one dominant player.

Some matches you are just not going to win, it happens... But who cares? You have a few crappy matches but can constantly queue for matches and participate quickly. This is the best way to teach new players the ropes honestly, practice makes perfect.

That's the kicker, I'm not even good!

Yet, still get wait times queueing, just because I enjoy spending the majority of my playtime in what should be instant action - BGs.

Orange_fire_dragon · November 2020

Yes

if we cannot see it, I dont see why have it imo.

Foto1 · November 2020

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

They need to add MMR. The game already lacks it. XD

do you have any proof?

MurderMostFoul · November 2020

No

The MMR system is not perfect, and should be improved if possible. But it's removal would be terrible for a lot of players who are just getting started in BGs. The skill gap is extremely wide between a new BG player and a very experienced one. Having nothing that attempts to segregate those two would lead to many negative experiences for the new players, and little challenge for the experienced ones.

The few times that we've had MMR resets, or that I've got a new toon into BGs, have shown me that the MMR system does (at least somewhat) work as intended. The quality of the opponents I faced in those circumstances make it clear that I eventually don't face them after playing enough and moving up in MMR. Although the brief period of utter domination can be entertaining, I prefer the norm to be somewhat reasonable competition.

Mirage131 · November 2020

No

Draevik wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Some matches you are just not going to win, it happens... But who cares? You have a few crappy matches but can constantly queue for matches and participate quickly. This is the best way to teach new players the ropes honestly, practice makes perfect.

This is 100% not the way to teach new players anything and they wouldn't be practicing anything at this point. Nuking new players is fun, but they gain nothing from getting nuked. If I kill new players the same way I go after people in bgs the only thing they learn is that I can kill them very quickly. We need a better MMR system that's all.

SgtNuttzmeg · November 2020

No

Foto1 wrote: »

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

They need to add MMR. The game already lacks it. XD

do you have any proof?

I don't have any footage but just play them a lot. If you get good at them or know who is good at them you will see how often they get paired up with people that haven't quite reached their same skill level.

Actually just watch a Fengrush stream, the amount of times he gets paired with or placed against players that are no where's near his skill level is crazy.

I would actually like to see proof that MMR exists.

Zekka · November 2020

Barely any matchmaking to begin with, you can join the "high" MMR matches in a couple dozens matches even on fresh characters because the truth is there is not a lot of people playing BGs.
And holy ***, make the matchmaking take classes and group composition into account at the very least. At this point I insta quit every time I see two nightblades with bows out in my team.

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