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I made a post in the beta forums about this but I'll mention it again now that we are live.
The way getting Emperor works is not fun. It rewards players who rarely sleep or go outside and make it impossible for many other players to even have a remote chance. There is no way most players are going to overcome a 600k AP deficit from someone who just sits and farms Scouting missions 24 hours a day. There is very little incentive to want to take the inner 6 because at that point we are just rewarding him.
My solution remains as it was in beta. Change the Emperorship to points gained since last Crowning. You can keep overall leader boards etc, but make it attainable for more than just 1% of people.
For example: In our campaign we have one player with 600k points. The next closest in the other two alliances is 300k and 220K. That cannot be overcome realistically unless this person suddenly decides to sleep.
Thank you,
Taven
Edited by Taven on 17 April 2014 19:50 The way getting Emperor works is not fun. It rewards players who rarely sleep or go outside and make it impossible for many other players to even have a remote chance. There is no way most players are going to overcome a 600k AP deficit from someone who just sits and farms Scouting missions 24 hours a day. There is very little incentive to want to take the inner 6 because at that point we are just rewarding him.
My solution remains as it was in beta. Change the Emperorship to points gained since last Crowning. You can keep overall leader boards etc, but make it attainable for more than just 1% of people.
For example: In our campaign we have one player with 600k points. The next closest in the other two alliances is 300k and 220K. That cannot be overcome realistically unless this person suddenly decides to sleep.
Thank you,
Taven
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Why does someone who does nothing but PVP to be emperor got to be a neckbeard? That's like me calling your a filthy casual because you want to be Emperor without working that hard for it.0
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Taven✭✭✭sleepspasmnub18_ESO wrote: »Why does someone who does nothing but PVP to be emperor got to be a neckbeard? That's like me calling your a filthy casual because you want to be Emperor without working that hard for it.
Congratulations, you've made a wrong assumption. I've spent a huge amount of time in PvP. I have nothing against those who spend ALL their time there. But the system isn't rewarding to more than about 12 people right now.
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sleepspasmnub18_ESO wrote: »Why does someone who does nothing but PVP to be emperor got to be a neckbeard? That's like me calling your a filthy casual because you want to be Emperor without working that hard for it.
Congratulations, you've made a wrong assumption. I've spent a huge amount of time in PvP. I have nothing against those who spend ALL their time there. But the system isn't rewarding to more than about 12 people right now.
Actually no, you edited your post to remove where you associated anyone that was emperor as a neckbeard. There was no assumption.0 -
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That's not the assumption champ. You assume that I want easy mode. I do not. You assume that I think all people who play PvP exclusively are neckbeards. I do not.sleepspasmnub18_ESO wrote: »sleepspasmnub18_ESO wrote: »Why does someone who does nothing but PVP to be emperor got to be a neckbeard? That's like me calling your a filthy casual because you want to be Emperor without working that hard for it.
Congratulations, you've made a wrong assumption. I've spent a huge amount of time in PvP. I have nothing against those who spend ALL their time there. But the system isn't rewarding to more than about 12 people right now.
Actually no, you edited your post to remove where you associated anyone that was emperor as a neckbeard. There was no assumption.
I edited to not only make the post less abrasive but also add in some example numbers.
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TheFio✭✭✭If you're at 600k while next closest is only around 200k, then YES you ARE a neckbeard.Fuzzball of the Ashen hand
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Pryda✭✭If you think that you need to do 24/7 scout missions you're doing it wrong.Sorcerer on Auriel's Bow EU - http://www.twitch.tv/Prydatv & http://www.youtube.com/cyr9x (1-50 & VR leveling guides + PvP Videos)0 -
Cydone✭✭✭✭I would like it to take into account the number of actual player kills as well. They already have a tracking mechanic for this in the kill 20 quest. This way, someone can't just pve their way to emperor by doing scouting, npc bounty or kill npc missions in Cyrodiil.Edited by Cydone on 18 April 2014 06:200 -
That's not the assumption champ. You assume that I want easy mode. I do not. You assume that I think all people who play PvP exclusively are neckbeards. I do not.sleepspasmnub18_ESO wrote: »sleepspasmnub18_ESO wrote: »Why does someone who does nothing but PVP to be emperor got to be a neckbeard? That's like me calling your a filthy casual because you want to be Emperor without working that hard for it.
Congratulations, you've made a wrong assumption. I've spent a huge amount of time in PvP. I have nothing against those who spend ALL their time there. But the system isn't rewarding to more than about 12 people right now.
Actually no, you edited your post to remove where you associated anyone that was emperor as a neckbeard. There was no assumption.
I edited to not only make the post less abrasive but also add in some example numbers.
I'm not really sure how you know what I assume, but I guess you just have that ability.
If you'll go back and read what I wrote, read not assume, you'll notice that I was only commenting on how you attributed emperors with a large point gap over the next place to be a neck beard. I then commented that you saying that was like me stating that anyone that doesn't want to work as hard for it was a filthy casual.
Reading comprehension aside I'll let you in on a little secret. My statement was not an assumption in any way. I merely took what you said and reversed the circumstances to show you how poorly it was worded and how it skewed the point you were trying to make.
Also as a man who can grow and does have a full beard, I take offense to the term neck beard. The burden of having a manly beard is too much for the jaw to handle alone.1 -
SwampRaider✭✭✭✭✭As someone who is in a guild with 1 former emperor and 1 emperor who was re crowned twice, I have to say, I agree with the current mechanic. Only those with the most AP gained SHOULD be emperor. they earned it. They may have glorious neckbeards, but they earned it.Character: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
Alliance: DC
Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
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✭✭Neckbeards can be combed and fashioned into a glorious neckmane.Member of the Psijic Order PTS Group0 -
Cydone✭✭✭✭SwampRaider wrote: »As someone who is in a guild with 1 former emperor and 1 emperor who was re crowned twice, I have to say, I agree with the current mechanic. Only those with the most AP gained SHOULD be emperor. they earned it. They may have glorious neckbeards, but they earned it.
I don't think AP alone is a good enough measure for this. Until actual player kills are weighed at the same level as pure alliance points, then I put no merit in anyone that gets emperor. Hell, they could grind out AP doing PvE quests in Cyrodiil and still get Emperor.....and that's a BAD mechanic if you ask me.
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✭✭SwampRaider wrote: »As someone who is in a guild with 1 former emperor and 1 emperor who was re crowned twice, I have to say, I agree with the current mechanic. Only those with the most AP gained SHOULD be emperor. they earned it. They may have glorious neckbeards, but they earned it.
I don't think AP alone is a good enough measure for this. Until actual player kills are weighed at the same level as pure alliance points, then I put no merit in anyone that gets emperor. Hell, they could grind out AP doing PvE quests in Cyrodiil and still get Emperor.....and that's a BAD mechanic if you ask me.
Uh, yeah maybe if they were alone in the campaign. The AP as a measure is fine because everyone is competing for it at the same time. Trying to act like just because you can gain AP repairing walls means that any schlub can get Emperor is ridiculous, when yes any schlub can get Emperor but they're going to have to actually win the race for the AP, and they aren't going to get it just sitting on their ass.Member of the Psijic Order PTS Group0 -
Eisenhovver✭✭✭I would have to say I disagree with the OP. Being emperor is a privilege that not everyone will achieve. If someone is devoted to becoming emperor, and holding that title, who are you to say its not fair? They might never go outside but you don't have to either if you truly want the crown. I would suggest not worrying about obtaining said crown and just fight to win for your team (as I believe PvP should be). I love the way PvP is setup in this game and I know I will never be emperor b/c of RL but hey as long as my team wins and I can contribute, good enough for me.An intellectual is someone who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows. -Dwight D. Eisenhower0 -
Cydone✭✭✭✭SwampRaider wrote: »As someone who is in a guild with 1 former emperor and 1 emperor who was re crowned twice, I have to say, I agree with the current mechanic. Only those with the most AP gained SHOULD be emperor. they earned it. They may have glorious neckbeards, but they earned it.
I don't think AP alone is a good enough measure for this. Until actual player kills are weighed at the same level as pure alliance points, then I put no merit in anyone that gets emperor. Hell, they could grind out AP doing PvE quests in Cyrodiil and still get Emperor.....and that's a BAD mechanic if you ask me.
Uh, yeah maybe if they were alone in the campaign. The AP as a measure is fine because everyone is competing for it at the same time. Trying to act like just because you can gain AP repairing walls means that any schlub can get Emperor is ridiculous, when yes any schlub can get Emperor but they're going to have to actually win the race for the AP, and they aren't going to get it just sitting on their ass.
Still, it IS completely within the realm of possibility to not actually fight against other players and get enough AP to get the "crown". THAT is a broken mechanic that can be pretty easily re-worked to include actual players killed.
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Bunk✭✭✭The current Emperor system is a rather old school one - it rewards the most absurdly dedicated. It's something casuals can't get.
Want to become Emperor? Git gud.idiot1 -
SwampRaider✭✭✭✭✭The current Emperor system is a rather old school one - it rewards the most absurdly dedicated. It's something casuals can't get.
Want to become Emperor? Git gud.
If a casual got emperor, that'd be one dead campaign they are in
Character: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
Alliance: DC
Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
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✭✭SwampRaider wrote: »As someone who is in a guild with 1 former emperor and 1 emperor who was re crowned twice, I have to say, I agree with the current mechanic. Only those with the most AP gained SHOULD be emperor. they earned it. They may have glorious neckbeards, but they earned it.
I don't think AP alone is a good enough measure for this. Until actual player kills are weighed at the same level as pure alliance points, then I put no merit in anyone that gets emperor. Hell, they could grind out AP doing PvE quests in Cyrodiil and still get Emperor.....and that's a BAD mechanic if you ask me.
Uh, yeah maybe if they were alone in the campaign. The AP as a measure is fine because everyone is competing for it at the same time. Trying to act like just because you can gain AP repairing walls means that any schlub can get Emperor is ridiculous, when yes any schlub can get Emperor but they're going to have to actually win the race for the AP, and they aren't going to get it just sitting on their ass.
Still, it IS completely within the realm of possibility to not actually fight against other players and get enough AP to get the "crown". THAT is a broken mechanic that can be pretty easily re-worked to include actual players killed.
It would have to be an extremely rare and unique situation.
Campaign board just reset in a campaign that is pretty much dead (one faction owns it all and everyone inexplicably bailed from the other 2 factions), and they just happened to have 5 out of the 6 keeps needed to crown someone, while one dude sits over on the side and is apparently the only dude on the map gaining AP for whatever reason while turning in an AP reward quest, just as his faction caps the 6th keep (and somehow doesn't gain any AP at all for doing so).
There's your realm of possibility.Member of the Psijic Order PTS Group0 -
Zephyr✭✭I'm a healer, so I am vastly against player kills. If it wasn't for people like me keeping all of your asses alive, you wouldn't be able to wave your *** at each other yelling about how many kills you have. Also the system to get points is good, you contribute, you get points. It allows for even lowbies to actually do something of use and feel they have accomplished something. Thats just my two cents from someone top 100 of my faction top 150 overall on Auriel's Bow.
Edit: At your deficit gripe I've went from 0-450k in a matter of days by actually PvPing. If you aren't getting points fast its rather simple, you either Really suck, or you have no idea how to PvP.Edited by Zephyr on 22 April 2014 06:11NA Server - Ebonheart Pact - Irisana0 -
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That's not the assumption champ. You assume that I want easy mode. I do not. You assume that I think all people who play PvP exclusively are neckbeards. I do not.sleepspasmnub18_ESO wrote: »sleepspasmnub18_ESO wrote: »Why does someone who does nothing but PVP to be emperor got to be a neckbeard? That's like me calling your a filthy casual because you want to be Emperor without working that hard for it.
Congratulations, you've made a wrong assumption. I've spent a huge amount of time in PvP. I have nothing against those who spend ALL their time there. But the system isn't rewarding to more than about 12 people right now.
Actually no, you edited your post to remove where you associated anyone that was emperor as a neckbeard. There was no assumption.
I edited to not only make the post less abrasive but also add in some example numbers.
Insulting and talking down to people is a sure fire way to not look like a complete jerk and get people to listen to you.
Way to go man...you went from a potentially interesting topic to just another raging condescending jerk.0