Why am I not making a dint in other people's health?

JDW · October 2020

I'm currently playing a level 42 templar and I find soloing to be easy, I'm doing 3k-10k damage which probably isn't much but for solo content, it does me fine. However, when I join a battleground in the under 50's, these people have like 30k+ health and am doing like 200-600 damage on them. I'm a newb I know that and my armour is rubbish but I just want to know what it is that makes the others so powerful. Why do they have such high health at low levels, why do they do crazy amounts of damage and why isn't the under 50's battlegrounds for noobs... instead of seasoned veterans.

JDW · October 2020

Also, what advice can you give me to help me get better at battlegrounds? What armour is easily found/crafted that can at least make me a bit better as my armour is just random bits from quests and dungeons.

I'm a Templar Healer.

Waffennacht · October 2020

Some players re do alts to run sub 50.

Anyway, to deal damage you need some solid stats

You say you deal 3-10k, im assuming thats in PvE, meaning your stats are fairly low.

Spell/Wpn damage should range from 1800-3k with 30k ish max stam/mag (varying of course)

A spammable tooltip should (outside of PvP) be around 10k, big hit abilities like 15-20k (like dawnbreaker) Dots are approx 2-3k per sec

*all non proc standard builds, non niche starter info

Old addage was 20k minimum in PvP, IMO thats up to 25k. Getting there is easy, food buff, maybe one or two healthy traits and/or a set with one or two health buffs.

Dealing high damage is more about what you're hitting than how you hit. If they have high health high resistance you need penetration to deal significant damage.

If you could provide more specifics about your build we can help more

Noctus · October 2020

JDW wrote: »

Also, what advice can you give me to help me get better at battlegrounds? What armour is easily found/crafted that can at least make me a bit better as my armour is just random bits from quests and dungeons.

I'm a Templar Healer.

to be honest any set on ur lvl is better than random bits. the other players have set bonuses. i from time to time craft sets for beginners so they dont get screwed in bg. tbh any set that somewhat supports ur playstyle is good. u need 2 times 5 set piece bonuses and one time 2 piece bonus. try to have everything in purple which shouldnt be to expensive. get a set for lvl 45 it should carry u to 50 .

Astrid · October 2020

Also if you’re a healer, don’t expect the massive numbers that the dedicated dds will be pushing out. Your primary role as a healer is obviously to heal, CC, purge and debuff enemy players whilst buffing your allies who in turn do the killing for you. The people who roll under 50s as a veteran player have crafted gear, poisons, appropriate food and know exactly what to spec for. Ensure all of your points are into the correct attribute (magicka, as a healer - points in health are dependant on playstyle/how comfortable you are). I’d recommend tristat food in PvP (bistat Health/mag in PvE) as you’re gonna get focused as a healer and you’re gonna need to block/break free a ton. Check what mundus your running, see what’s available and what suits you best. Have someone craft you some sets to run, and if you can make it purple do so. Don’t worry too much about it though as you’ll outlevel it fast. Then it’s a case of learning, sticking to your allies and developing your own way of playing. If you’re wanting to do damage, same advice applies but you’d create damage dealing sets, aim for certain spell/weapon/max resource thresholds whilst maintaining survivability instead of being able to pump out raw healing whilst surviving as a healer.

Recapitated · October 2020

Battle spirit cuts your damage in half.

It doesn't matter that you did 3k dps if people's heals are 3k per second, all you've done is left yourself open for the duration of your offense. You have to land bursts of high damage that get people to zero. That means you need to know the offensive combo for your class.

You also have to notice if your damage is getting blocked. In PvE block is for dealing with specific attacks once in a while, in PvP it's bread and butter defense. Don't double down, that player is setting up their offense to take advantage of your overcommitment.

Finally, if they have 30k health (less common on straight damage builds after 50) they're not going to go down in one combo, so focus their squishier teammates first. In BGs you have to be watching your back at all times, you don't have time to drain a tank's stam by yourself.

Drdeath20 · October 2020

It takes time to learn a class but theres also the issue that templars are mediocre pvp damage dealers, even when played by expierenced players.

Well I shouldnt say that. Templars have enough pvp offensive skills to put a hurt on somebody but not to gurantee a finish more often than not. If i drop meteor, purifying light, javelin, dark flare and jesus beam on an unsuspecting target i should get an insta kill around 25% of the time.

fred4 · October 2020

JDW wrote: »

I'm currently playing a level 42 templar and I find soloing to be easy, I'm doing 3k-10k damage which probably isn't much

Correct, it is not.

but for solo content, it does me fine.

ZOS designed overland content to be p*** easy, so casuals and underleveled players can enjoy questing. There are large jumps in difficulty between various types of content, with PvP and veteran trials sitting at the very top.

However, when I join a battleground in the under 50's, these people have like 30k+ health and am doing like 200-600 damage on them.

With neither good gear nor combat experience, that's how it goes.

I'm a newb I know that and my armour is rubbish

Consisting of random mismatched pieces? Then, yeah, obviously.

but I just want to know what it is that makes the others so powerful.

Basically everything you already surmised. I'm a seasoned player with 7 characters. I don't personally go out of my way to disadvantage others, but if I were to level up another character, I would be wearing proper crafted gear.

Why do they have such high health at low levels

The way low level characters scale, everyone does, no? Especially crazy regen ... not sure about health.

why do they do crazy amounts of damage

Because they know how to PvP. Gear is one side of the story, knowing how to select PvP skills is another, both pale to PvP experience. The best way to start getting some is to duel people your own level. Of course, if you meet a random level 42, they may be a wolf in sheep's clothing too, even worse than in a BG, because they may be backed by 810 CP that you can't see. You should find some genuine people to duel with as well, though.

and why isn't the under 50's battlegrounds for noobs... instead of seasoned veterans.

Well, that has to do with people making additional characters and sometimes people who are migrating from another platform or who have experience with another MMO. I'll also say that, as a healer, you are a target. The opposing players will want to take you out first.

Don't let people tell you magplars are weak. There is a kernel of truth to that, but only because of the height templars have fallen from when we had a healing meta a year ago.

Now, I don't play healers, but I can recommend how to build a DD as follows:

Get some basic sets, such as 5x Ancient Dragonguard + 5x Shacklebreaker on body and jewelry. All impenetrable trait. All magicka enchants. Arcane white or green jewelry. Sets blue quality. These sets will last you for a while. Weapons will be different sets and may need to be swapped more frequently as you level up. They should be purple quality.

Front bar weapon: Infused Innate Axiom lightning staff with a magic damage / restore health enchant.
Back bar weapon: 1 hand + Shield, Defending weapon, Sturdy shield with magicka enchant, Alessia's Bulwark set

Food: Clockwork Citrus Fillet or Witchmothers Potent Brew
Potion: Tri pot (health / magicka / stamina)
Mundus: Atronach
Jewelry enchants: All Spell Damage unless you find you need more regen. Hopefully not.
All attribute points into magicka, unless you want some more health.

Front bar skills:

Puncturing Sweeps
Inner Light
Radiant Glory
Toppling Charge
Purifying Light
Ultimate: Crescent Sweep

Back bar skills:
Degeneration
Honor the Dead
Restoring Focus (Yes! You need stamina sustain for breaking free and dodge rolling.)
Extended Ritual
Mist Form or Race Against Time (Psijic - sorry can't get away from this. It's what you're up against)
Ultimate: Spell Wall

Also: Remap the bash / break free key from pressing two buttons to a single key on PC.

Recapitated · October 2020

fred4 wrote: »

Also: Remap the bash / break free key from pressing two buttons to a single key on PC.

If I were starting from day 1 again I'd do mousewheel forwards for break free so that it gets spammed every tick of the wheel and roll back for dodge. Just roll it back and forth when CC'd.

Xiomaro · October 2020

Recapitated wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Also: Remap the bash / break free key from pressing two buttons to a single key on PC.

If I were starting from day 1 again I'd do mousewheel forwards for break free so that it gets spammed every tick of the wheel and roll back for dodge. Just roll it back and forth when CC'd.

That's actually a pretty solid idea. It's never too late to change. I got used to jumping with mouse wheel in some FPS quite late in the game.

Recapitated · October 2020

Xiomaro wrote: »

Recapitated wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Also: Remap the bash / break free key from pressing two buttons to a single key on PC.

If I were starting from day 1 again I'd do mousewheel forwards for break free so that it gets spammed every tick of the wheel and roll back for dodge. Just roll it back and forth when CC'd.

That's actually a pretty solid idea. It's never too late to change. I got used to jumping with mouse wheel in some FPS quite late in the game.

I tried lol, old dog new tricks etc. I've made a lot of changes over time, even my movement keys are ESDF not WASD. But I never got used to not double-tapping for rolls. I die to them not going off pretty regularly.