It looks like playing Counterstrike ...

DeHei · October 2020

Going in PvP (doesnt matter if battlegrounds, cyrodiil or IC) looks like playing counterstrike these days. There is a reason why we just see tanky builds or allways the same staminabuild on different classes. So a player, who like to play different just will learn how frustrating its now...
Most times you will be punished from any nightblade via range attacks... the other option is, that anybody with another stamina build is charching to you and before you see what happens you got allready dizzing swing a light attack, maybe dawnbreaker and execute (if you are not dead allready). Same time you got the damage of 2-3 proccsets.
Whats the fun to implement soo much damage in PvP while nearfing shields and healing to ground at same time? Yeah few classes got the utility to survive stuff like that, with high damage mitigation against nearly everything... Thats also frustrating, but i dont want to discuss about that...

If there is just no way for the devteam to create a good working balance, then pls inplement very OP sets just for PvP, that there is simply a way to create other builds as "the" Staminabuild or just tanky ones to survive everything. I want to play with different builds like everybody does. I want to see many different builds and to create tactics for also cool 1vs1 fights and also again 1vsX or something. This is also not really possible anymore, when you dont like to copy just the META...

Waffennacht · October 2020

I feel like theres a TON of diversity in this Meta:

Offensive Proc builds (sheer and hunter types)
Defensive Proc builds (High HP + Thews/Doyle types)
Inbetween Proc builds (Grothdarr DK/Winterborn Warden/Cal NB)
Heavy Attack Builds (sergeant, infiltrator/ new set types)
Gankers
Techs Build Deserves a mention
WW deserves a mention
These Heavy Hitting NBs and DKs (not sure what they use but its not procs)

Yes its a proc heavy meta, but seems diverse

Swomp23 · October 2020

I kinda agree with you for BGs and noCP, but that’s due to procs overperforming. They’ve been scaled to be relevant in PVE, so for CP, and don’t scale down in noCP. But even there, if you don’t build full glass canon and use active defenses, you can manage to live long enough to counterattack.
In CP though, I find this meta very exciting. You can build for burst, instead of just high pressure with dots, and I think it’s fun.
It’s sad that procs are so op in noCP though. I’d really like to like BGs.

Kartalin · October 2020

Had some recent success in bgs on my magden “in between proc build”, Winterborn and Torugs. No cp Cyrodiil is really bad right now because the AOE testing favors stamina proc builds and purging with ramping cost and instantly reapplied procs is a joke. Should be a little more normal after testing is done.

cheesefome · October 2020

Tank sets that offer offensive bonuses need to be nerfed. It's a bit absurd how much burst someone with 30-40k health can do. If you go full glass cannon, why go glass cannon when you can do almost as much dmg with way better survivability. I think dawnbreaker needs some tweeking.. That skill is just too good. Makes you invulnerable to cc or any dmg while in the skill, you can't dodge it, does crazy damage and it has CC, gives resources bck. How is this skill balance? So many times I nearly klll a tank, I finally get them down to 15% after an eternity of fighting and he ults me, recovers his health almost entirely, and kills me or at least takes me down to 10% health. I would like to see this skill get nerfed, take something away from it because it simply is too good.

Right now there is no point in going full damage builds in pvp. If the person is tanky, he will soak your burst, turn around, and kill you. All i do is no CP and they dominate that scene easy. The amount of activity and reaction i need to have compared to someone who is tanky is exhausting. Building tanky is to safe the meta.

MurderMostFoul · October 2020

I still run stat based sets on all classes (Stam). I build for mobility and burst.

It's harder now with all the easy pressure from procs, but I can still totally dominate a BG from time to time on any class. Like @Waffennacht said, there is a lot of viable options in this meta. You can't just slap on whatever you like and do well, but there are a lot of ways to be successful. Get a good pvp build that matches your preferred play style, practice, and you'll improve.

DeHei · October 2020

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

I still run stat based sets on all classes (Stam). I build for mobility and burst.

It's harder now with all the easy pressure from procs, but I can still totally dominate a BG from time to time on any class. Like @Waffennacht said, there is a lot of viable options in this meta. You can't just slap on whatever you like and do well, but there are a lot of ways to be successful. Get a good pvp build that matches your preferred play style, practice, and you'll improve.

Its just diversity in weared sets and not in yiur build. You need to slot much same things on different classes.. maybe the difference in classes are 2-3 skills. Thats just not great..

When you like this as diversity then i absolutly fail. I hate it to seeing this how this great and high potential game is going down...
I liked PvP.. this isnt really funny anymore... maybe i am just wrong and need to slot the right stuff 😔

Xargas13 · October 2020

Tend to agree with OP there, PvP right now is a joke.

Cathexis · October 2020

Haven't played a lot yet, but it looks better than infinite tanks forever