But how many procs is too many? Is 1 ok? I was running warden with 1; I feel thats cool, especially with no execute or real spammable....

But I got another thats running practically nothing but

This is just a "nerf proc sets" thread-- do you really think "set based matchmaking" would ever be a thing? How would you even determine what's a proc set? Is clever alch a proc set? Briarheart? Any damn monster set?

Do you really have problems with sets like Night Terror? Or soldier of anguish? Or is just the handful of overturned sets? There's nothing wrong with "proc sets". There's something wrong with how strong some of them are.

It would be way more helpful for the community if we focused on what we actually want. No one wants this. We just want balance and as few "Best In Slots" as possible.

The sad thing is the other BG quee would be pretty empty. Most of the people that played the game for the combat mechanics have left to find greener pastures.

It's a simple cash grab because you can't come up with stuff like this.

I don't want premades and solo PUGs in the same queue.

The former would obliterate the latter, even at equal skill levels.

IAmIcehouse wrote: »

This is just a "nerf proc sets" thread-- do you really think "set based matchmaking" would ever be a thing?

No. In fact I made it a point to address this in my OP:

How would you even determine what's a proc set? Is clever alch a proc set? Briarheart? Any damn monster set?

Any set that does direct damage or damage over time above and beyond/outside that done by the skills you use. So no and no. Those sets simply add damage to your tooltip — it's up to you to use it effectively.

Do you really have problems with sets like Night Terror? Or soldier of anguish?

Sure, why not. Causing damage because you just got damaged? That adds nothing positive to the game for me. Remember: I said "Personally" and "For my purposes." I am merely stating my opinion, and I also acknowledged that ZOS will completely ignore it. (If they even see it.)

Or is just the handful of overturned sets?

Those too.

There's nothing wrong with "proc sets". There's something wrong with how strong some of them are.

Your opinion. Notice how I'm not angry that you are expressing it.

It would be way more helpful for the community if we focused on what we actually want. No one wants this. We just want balance and as few "Best In Slots" as possible.

Again:


My post was [partially] tongue-in-cheek. Of course will never happen. However if given the option to have group queuing or seperate no-Proc BGs I seriously would pick the latter in a heartbeat — and I'm looking forward to group queuing. I used this example to illustrate just how much worse BGs are because of the direction ZOS is heading in my opinion.

Obviously you disagree with me, which is fine. I'm not sure why my opinion makes you angry though.

Langeston wrote: »

IAmIcehouse wrote: »

This is just a "nerf proc sets" thread-- do you really think "set based matchmaking" would ever be a thing?

No. In fact I made it a point to address this in my OP:

How would you even determine what's a proc set? Is clever alch a proc set? Briarheart? Any damn monster set?

Any set that does direct damage or damage over time above and beyond/outside that done by the skills you use. So no and no. Those sets simply add damage to your tooltip — it's up to you to use it effectively.

Do you really have problems with sets like Night Terror? Or soldier of anguish?

Sure, why not. Causing damage because you just got damaged? That adds nothing positive to the game for me. Remember: I said "Personally" and "For my purposes." I am merely stating my opinion, and I also acknowledged that ZOS will completely ignore it. (If they even see it.)

Or is just the handful of overturned sets?

Those too.

There's nothing wrong with "proc sets". There's something wrong with how strong some of them are.

Your opinion. Notice how I'm not angry that you are expressing it.

It would be way more helpful for the community if we focused on what we actually want. No one wants this. We just want balance and as few "Best In Slots" as possible.

Again:


My post was [partially] tongue-in-cheek. Of course will never happen. However if given the option to have group queuing or seperate no-Proc BGs I seriously would pick the latter in a heartbeat — and I'm looking forward to group queuing. I used this example to illustrate just how much worse BGs are because of the direction ZOS is heading in my opinion.

Obviously you disagree with me, which is fine. I'm not sure why my opinion makes you angry though.

I'm not angry, if it came off that way. All I'm saying is, sets that do things different than abilities is what creates build diversity. Do you want everyone to have the same set up? Build diversity is fun and keeps the game from getting stale.

What sucks right now is how strong these sets are in PvP and how anti-fun they are.

I would suggest just add a new tooltip that says in PvP areas proc is replaced by this and that buff. Though I don't really trust in ZOS on delivering a balanced buff As for separate queues, BG queue is already empty, before all of this procfest I wasn't able to finish a cigarette before I get a pop up into BG.

MincVinyl wrote: »

just wait for classic @Langeston

I think you're right. Based on what everyone has told me, it sounds like I'd like my magblade a lot better in classic, and it's pretty clear the current combat team has no intention of fixing it.

I hear your point loud and clear and I wish the proc sets could be either tune down or limited in their amount.

After being butchered by various proc-players I joined their ranks: tried Malubeth + Sheer + Crimson + Malacath on my StamDK.....it's disgustingly overpowered. The procs are doing all the work and I don't even have to bother as much with trying to land dizzy.

Something has to change!!