Fawn4287 wrote: »

This post deserve nothing but a spam of laugh reacts, is it ironic? Nightblade in a proc set meta is by far the best and easiest class because it cam spam cloak to get avoid all dot damage, plus the double nerf to impen is the most blatant indirect buff since shields got resistances added to them followed by a magsorc meta. it has the best and cheapest single target ult in the game hands down, combined with the hardest hitting non ult ability, it has shade which gives minor maim and cloak for a “Im about to get clapped, time to hide for 10 seconds button”. The class can literally insta kill anyone under 25k health with a poison inject on target, incap and bow.

MBBOWOLVERINE wrote: »

Damage is fine but you can't call them op when necros hit 10k blastbones, magdk proc builds just fossilise spam and brainlessly proc you down, defencively nb is weak, no cleanse, access to mending, squishy without access to resistance buff through ability use, need some kind of buff in that aspect, 5855787556 ways to counter cloak so that's an l2p issue if you cry that, stamplar is weakest class tho

Langeston wrote: »

Fawn4287 wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/545895/best-solo-stamina-class-in-the-game#latest

I find it Ironic that the author of this post has made this whilst nightblade has been rated best solo PvP class in a pole, I guess its true not even carry classes can make bad players good. Whats next?a necro needs better defensive options post?

The only reason NB is so good as a solo class is because it can hide/sneak/run away from fights, or avoid them entirely if need be. Take cloak out of the equation and I guarantee the results of that poll change dramatically.

Also, solo PVP is only one facet of the game. Stamblades bring next to nothing to the table as far as group play is concerned — large or small. There's a reason why many people will immediately quit a BG match if they get 2 or more NBs on their team. I've never heard of that happen with any other class.

I don't even play stamblade anymore. I play magblade almost exclusively now, and Stamblades are much stronger both offensively and defensively — but they're still easier to kill than literally every other stam class in the game. If someone on [arguably] the weakest class/spec in the game has no trouble killing stamblades, then that means that they're not as strong as you seem to think.

Langeston wrote: »

Fawn4287 wrote: »

I definitely know how to play stamblade,

I said you don't know how to play against one — which seems pretty obvious considering the fact that you think the class is "godlike" and you're authoring threads like "Cloak needs to loose invisibility" as recently as a month ago. I felt the same way in the beginning, but I learned how to play against the class & now they're free AP for the most part.

I find it boring how easy it is in bgs how you can spam light attacks until bow proc, cloak, heavy attack, surprise attack relentless 99/100 players.

So instead you play stamplar? Lol, yeah — everyone knows how complicated the burst combo is on that class. If you die to NB burst that's either a build problem or you need to learn how to roll dodge. I play literally the squishiest magblade you've ever seen and I rarely die to stamblades.

You don’t even need to run the shade as about the only damage build with a decent change of killing you is a magdk proc cheese or a warden, which after shuffle and a tri pot is still easily dealt with.

Then why am I able to kill pretty much all of them at will on my [relatively] low powered magblade? The only issue I have is that literally all of my burst is dodgeable, (something you don't have to worry about on your Stamplar) but since every stam class is capable of perma roll-dodging, that point is moot.

Waffennacht wrote: »

"Take cloak out of the equation..."

Wth? Thats stupid. You dont take cloak out of the equation because its in the equation. Its practically the whole GD formula for NB.

Smh

You just accidentally proved my point. Let me see if I can make it clearer for you:

If every class in the game had cloak or something like it, nobody would consider NB to be even be close to the top of the list with regard to "best solo class," because every other class in the game has an overall stronger & more cohesive toolkit. Can you name a class with worse mitigation than NB? How about a class with worse healing? More telegraphed & easily defeated bust combo? No, you cannot. Because NBs are at the bottom of the list in every regard. So that reduces our argument to one morph of a single skill — and it just so happens to be the most easily defeated skill in the game.

As far as you being incredulous over me saying "take cloak out of the equation," what is so absurd about that? Literally every time I fight a NB I do exactly that with a detect pot, Magelight/Camo Hunter, an AOE ability, etc. — ZOS has gone out if it's way to make sure that every player on every class in the game has multiple options to make it trivially easy to 100% defeat this supposed "godlike" ability. Hell, even gap closers and single target attacks pull you out of cloak right now. What other skill in the game can you literally turn off for a quarter of a minute just by drinking a potion? If you don't take advantage of the literally dozens of hard counters available to you, that's your problem & you deserve to lose.

So back to you accidentally proving my point: if cloak is "practically the whole GD formula for NB" while also being indisputably the easiest skill in the game to counter, how in the world can it make the class as a whole "OP"? You really think it makes up for poor mitigation, crappy healing, and unreliable burst? The answer is no — it can't and it doesn't. You just either don't understand how to counter it or you refuse to do so & just want to complain about it.