My impression of ESO PVP.

Khyras · April 2014

Very interesting at first but now its gettig old pretty fast.PVP is heavily dominated by zergs and stealth ambushers and lacks in tactics mainly because high burst damage FPS style combat.This why,if outnumbered,you WILL lose 99% of time.
Also,PVP feels much like mastrubation without ***,its back and forth all over the map without anyone actually winning or any kind of conclusion, with only title progression.My advice?Add arena style combat and duels,zerging and running across large map is cool,sometimes, but i prefer fair combat much more.

Libertine · April 2014

.This why,if outnumbered,you WILL lose 99% of time.

this and the fact that its all zergs at the moment is the biggest problem i see.
ofc this might change as soon as a majority hit lvlcap but i kinda doubt it.

Izatar · April 2014

The people who complain about zergs are the people who zerg.
Don't like it? Don't do it!
Zerging is the least efficient way to play. The zerg accomplishes less per person, and the reward are less per person too. Small teams of skirmishers make more of a contribution per player than the zergs do.

I have often won being greatly outnumbered. One time I complete my daily 20 kills just 1 person versus 30. Zergs are like cows or something ,slow and dumb as stumps.

Sharee · April 2014

Izatar wrote: »

The people who complain about zergs are the people who zerg.
Don't like it? Don't do it!

That is signature material right there.

Shazarak · April 2014

I think you should wait till lvl 50 before judging the PVP of this game.
I tried PVP first in beta and I think it has great potential.

And about the fact that is an "Fps bang bang - dead" I suggest you to look at lvl 50 stats. A friend of mine has more than 1000 armor with medium armor at lvl 50 while all others under lvl 50 are capped at 700 armor.

This is just one difference that I think will change EVERYTHING in the PVP when the majority reach the cap.
For now I'm enjoying the game. I like the stealth mode and I love the fact that I can run around and wait till I find a fair 1v1..

I suggest you to go near the PVE Cities in Cyrodill, you'll find a lot of...FUN

Magischzwei · April 2014

This Game'S pvp is a pathethic excuse for thousandwinter a blatant and very bad aswell ripoff.

Give us some resonable BGs and Arenas and remove this repugnant zerg.

AngelofAwe · April 2014

Zerg vs zerg, yes the smaller one almost always loses. That's because a zerg is a hive of stupidity with no individual thought.
Obviously if you play as a zerg it will suck, if you want to do well and turn the tide play as a smaller organized group, THINK and use tactics.

Captainkrunch96 · April 2014

please no arena.

Taziar · April 2014

The pvp feels like a recruiting and running simulator. I would rather spend my time PVP'ing than wrangling a group of random people.

I would greatly prefer instanced battlegrounds. I want the challenge of fighting against players, not some 3 month long campaign of zerging.

Kewljag_66_ESO · April 2014

once people and guilds starts to have level 50 characters you will see a change. This is how Darkage of Camelot was too at first. but after a majority of people started getting max level character, figured out how to play, how you actually get much better rewards for NOT zerging and start to learn who is who... you will start to see many more roaming groups looking for other groups and guild vs guild things happening. There will still be a zerg taking and defending keeps, but you will start to see many other things happening in Cyrodiil

Kewljag_66_ESO · April 2014

Taziar wrote: »

The pvp feels like a recruiting and running simulator. I would rather spend my time PVP'ing than wrangling a group of random people.

I would greatly prefer instanced battlegrounds. I want the challenge of fighting against players, not some 3 month long campaign of zerging.

so don't follow the zerg.........
wait at skirmish and ambushe spots. they are everywhere. What ever keep is being attacked will have enemy trying to get to it, wait along that path. Everyone can stealth in this game, it is easy to avoid the zerg

I have better skirmish and 1v1 ambushes in this game than I do in any battle ground, or arena setup game

frwinters_ESO · April 2014

Magischzwei wrote: »

This Game'S pvp is a pathethic excuse for thousandwinter a blatant and very bad aswell ripoff.

Give us some resonable BGs and Arenas and remove this repugnant zerg.

go back too wow

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO · April 2014

Taziar wrote: »

I have better skirmish and 1v1 ambushes in this game than I do in any battle ground, or arena setup game

Strongly agreed with this.

Antonie · April 2014

Surely you did not hear about the tale of 3 players defending a keep for over an hour against 30 enemy players then. Such things do happen in Goldbrand. It is not all about menpower alone. Moreover a combination of tactical and timely uses of all means to get your goal. When fighting a massive amount of enemies that are aiming to gain a keep than your strategic is not to defeat them all. It is to render their force to be able to gain the keep or make them unwilling to take it.

Sebyos · April 2014

Where the hell have you been the last few months? There's countless examples of outnumbered groups decimating zergs. The game is literally made for that with choke points and indestructible gates not to mention the towers at the camps.

I suggest that people try a PvP guild with a minimum of organization before complaining. I was not enjoying PvP and making similar complaints before that, but I am not enjoying this quite a lot.

firvulag40 · April 2014

Personally I'm not sure why the DAOC model for pvp was recycled at all....it's zerg vs zerg model failed miserably and finally got interesting with the implementation of lower level battle zones. You can say I'm whiny and I want everything handed to me but the fact is that pvp in its current state is just not fun for me (and I'm a vet EQ 1 RZ'er, I've also played Shadowbane, DAoC, and WAR). I agree 100% with the OP....you spend far too much time lfg'ing (and traveling) than you do pvp'ing. My main is currently in a "quest void" at 37 and I'm beginning to dread logging him in, knowing that I'm going to have to send him to Cyrodil to run around aimlessly and die over and over to superior zergs or grind out cultists for two levels.

Antonie · April 2014

So the bottom line it is all up to personal preferences whether or not you want a change in this pvp system. In my opinion the way it is now works for me just fine.

Kingslayer · April 2014

because high burst damage FPS style combat.This why,if outnumbered,you WILL lose 99% of time.

Can i make this into a tattoo please?. My guild destroys three times our number on a regular basis. Theirs more tactics potential in this game then all of the other small scale based pvp. From flanking to ambushes etc, You even mention ambushing lmao. Crikey We don't want arenas end of story. Honestly if you knew how to play in Cyrodiil you wouldnt be moaning like this. My guild changes campaigns to the ones where we are outnumbered just so we can Aoe bomb the zergs nothing better then wiping out wave after wave. More so then an arena dueling type match like the other games where its mostly about grinding gear to get better stats.

OtarTheMad · April 2014

Don't always follow the crowd into the fire... honestly. I've got owned by groups who use superior tactics and I beaten players who were just attacking me with no real plan or tactics and were just zerging.

liquid_wolf · April 2014

15 Daggerfall Covenant people conquered all these keeps, and took all of Ebonheart Pact's scrolls to get emperor.

This took place on Goldbrand 4/18/14 at about 2PM eastern, and took us roughly two hours.

We then proceeded to hold it until about 11PM Eastern.

Each of us used multiple siege weapons, we resurrected each other with Soul Gems, and struck the resources and keeps quickly.

Not much of a zerg, though.

Adalich · April 2014

The thing I dislike about PvP at the moment is the simple fact I am constantly being killed by veteran level players pressing a single button. Full health to dead with 1 button push is not PvP.

I have no doubt once I hit 50 and then v10 things will get better.

On the brightside the PvE content is good enough that I am happy not to bother with cyrodiil most of the time.

Antonie · April 2014

liquid_wolf wrote: »

15 Daggerfall Covenant people conquered all these keeps, and took all of Ebonheart Pact's scrolls to get emperor.

This took place on Goldbrand 4/18/14 at about 2PM eastern, and took us roughly two hours.

We then proceeded to hold it until about 11PM Eastern.

Each of us used multiple siege weapons, we resurrected each other with Soul Gems, and struck the resources and keeps quickly.

Not much of a zerg, though.

European goldbrand looks much differently. I`d prefer more action to be happening here too.

JoLeSi · April 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Magischzwei wrote: »

This Game'S pvp is a pathethic excuse for thousandwinter a blatant and very bad aswell ripoff.

Give us some resonable BGs and Arenas and remove this repugnant zerg.

go back too wow

Agreed.

Daracon_Rage · April 2014

liquid_wolf wrote: »

15 Daggerfall Covenant people conquered all these keeps, and took all of Ebonheart Pact's scrolls to get emperor.

This took place on Goldbrand 4/18/14 at about 2PM eastern, and took us roughly two hours.

We then proceeded to hold it until about 11PM Eastern.

Each of us used multiple siege weapons, we resurrected each other with Soul Gems, and struck the resources and keeps quickly.

Not much of a zerg, though.

Dat map....

What addon is that?

Kodiak · April 2014

@Daracon_Rage it's an addon called "SkyShards" on ESOUI.

Huge props to EP Bloodthorn, you dudes are tenacious no matter how many times we bloody your nose.

SilentThunder · April 2014

firvulag40 wrote: »

Personally I'm not sure why the DAOC model for pvp was recycled at all....it's zerg vs zerg model failed miserably and finally got interesting with the implementation of lower level battle zones. You can say I'm whiny and I want everything handed to me but the fact is that pvp in its current state is just not fun for me (and I'm a vet EQ 1 RZ'er, I've also played Shadowbane, DAoC, and WAR). I agree 100% with the OP....you spend far too much time lfg'ing (and traveling) than you do pvp'ing. My main is currently in a "quest void" at 37 and I'm beginning to dread logging him in, knowing that I'm going to have to send him to Cyrodil to run around aimlessly and die over and over to superior zergs or grind out cultists for two levels.

Actually the DAoC pvp model was one of the acknowledged best of all time. It allows for large group combat, small group combat and a good amount of solo play. What killed DAoC was ToA xpac wich forced people to put far more time into large raid PvE if they wanted to have a even chance in PvP. Once you hit vet levels pvp gets a lot more fun I have been running with small to medium groups and having a blast. please don't rate pvp by what you experience at low levels with out all your spec lines maxed.