How To Fix Sorcerer
ItsNotLiving
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Sorcerer has been nerfed constantly over the past years and while some of it was justified it’s just too much. My ideas to fix it are simple and should make the class better while buffing all mag classes simultaneously.
1. Make Conjured Ward not Stack with Annulment but make them both scale with spell damage and max magicka and remove the cap
2. Make bound armaments undodgeable because the skill is so loud that people in other zones are dodging it.
3. The class hasn’t played right since the stun was taken off frags and we all know it. It’s been fun to meteor streak people through block but you’re a class that’s supposed to be about range and now you have to be in melee range to use streak or in range of clench with a master’s inferno.
Let me know what you guys think.
1. Make Conjured Ward not Stack with Annulment but make them both scale with spell damage and max magicka and remove the cap
2. Make bound armaments undodgeable because the skill is so loud that people in other zones are dodging it.
3. The class hasn’t played right since the stun was taken off frags and we all know it. It’s been fun to meteor streak people through block but you’re a class that’s supposed to be about range and now you have to be in melee range to use streak or in range of clench with a master’s inferno.
Let me know what you guys think.
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The_Camper✭✭✭✭✭Imagine asking for Magsorc buffs in 2020 xD
mate they are the easiest to play class in pvp.35 -
ItsJustHashtag✭✭✭✭
FaxThe_Camper wrote: »Imagine asking for Magsorc buffs in 2020 xD
mate they are the easiest to play class in pvp.
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ItsNotLiving✭✭✭✭The_Camper wrote: »Imagine asking for Magsorc buffs in 2020 xD
mate they are the easiest to play class in pvp.
The only buff would be to stam sorc bro everything else is just quality of life changes0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think this video recommended by another forum member, summarize it all nicely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juon5rGpo1Q 2 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭The_Camper wrote: »Imagine asking for Magsorc buffs in 2020 xD
mate they are the easiest to play class in pvp.
I main a mag sorc, and this.2 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I run into a lot of bad magsorc and they're still annoying with streaks, but if you run into a good one? Just fall over and let it happen.1 -
Larcomar✭✭✭✭✭Bigger shields and more stuns? Sure Im up for that
I wouldnt mind getting our damage upped a bit too tho. 0 -
Aeternum113✭✭I legit have quit playing ESO for a few weeks in a recent past because most my playtime is spent in nocp BG's and these have become infested by magsorcs and stamsorcs and I was just fed up of being stomped by every sorc in the BG except those on my team. Reminds me of the days on another MMO where balance was so bad that every time there was a new FOTM class, 10 player BG's would turn into 8 out of 10 playing the same class.
I may be a terrible player but I have enough experience to acknowledge how busted magsorcs and stamsorcs have been for a while, anyone refuting this is just biased. Any player new to the game will get above average results out of the box playing a sorc, I should know this, I tested the theory myself. Just look at end of round stats and pay attention for a while, you'll notice there's a very clear trend. The class has every single tool on the kit and much overall better passives than most classes too.
I have switched to Warden recently so I can have a proper defense kit vs sorcs as I really find sorcs are the vast majority of players on BG's (for obvious reasons).
This is all just from a NoCP perspective.Edited by Aeternum113 on 30 June 2020 22:264 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »The_Camper wrote: »Imagine asking for Magsorc buffs in 2020 xD
mate they are the easiest to play class in pvp.
The only buff would be to stam sorc bro everything else is just quality of life changes
Stamsorc?? Lol strongest class on this patch ...5 -
mav1234✭✭✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »The_Camper wrote: »Imagine asking for Magsorc buffs in 2020 xD
mate they are the easiest to play class in pvp.
The only buff would be to stam sorc bro everything else is just quality of life changes
massively buffing shields and wanting frag stun back is quality of life?1 -
ItsNotLiving✭✭✭✭ItsNotLiving wrote: »The_Camper wrote: »Imagine asking for Magsorc buffs in 2020 xD
mate they are the easiest to play class in pvp.
The only buff would be to stam sorc bro everything else is just quality of life changes
massively buffing shields and wanting frag stun back is quality of life?
you miss the part where they dont stack? and i thought it would be obvious you'd tweak the formula so you dont get a 30k ward bro0 -
butterrum222✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »ItsNotLiving wrote: »The_Camper wrote: »Imagine asking for Magsorc buffs in 2020 xD
mate they are the easiest to play class in pvp.
The only buff would be to stam sorc bro everything else is just quality of life changes
Stamsorc?? Lol strongest class on this patch ...
Please elaborate3 -
MurderMostFoul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fix sorcs?
How about the same technique that's used for dogs?“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”1 -
PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭The_Camper wrote: »Imagine asking for Magsorc buffs in 2020 xD
mate they are the easiest to play class in pvp.
Imagine struggling against a ranged class which doesn't even have a proper ranged stun.
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Hotdog_23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭1. Sure, they should have never stacked, but in fairness other shields stack like DK’s Fragmented Shield for the group and you own personally shield.
2. Bound armaments just need to be quicker than 0.3 seconds for each dagger but if they change it would just become another grim focus but a different name.
3. No just no. Streak is your stun and a very strong one at that.
Magsocr are strong this patch especially in BG's. They do not need any buffs. Stam could use the ability to use more class skills. Bound armaments is not good in PVP.
Be safe and have fun
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Zahirr✭✭✭Give Stam Sorc more class morphs. Kinda lame that there's still stamina classes that only have 3 skills to choose from. Really hurts on build diversity. "Ah, I wonder if this stamsorc is running bound armaments, hurricane, and Dizzy? or is he running bound armaments, hurricane, and Flurry?" Give em two more stamina morphs.0
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Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭How to fix Sorc? Here are some ideas.
1)Streak Morph - No longer a movement skill, changed into a gap closer. Effect is the same but you need a target in-order to activate(no longer increase in magicka if used in the 4 sec window). So now You cannot have best stun in the game and best movement skill in the game on the same morph. Ball of Lightning same mechanic and effects but cost increased to 50% more if used in the 4 sec window.
2)Dark Exchange and morphs- Restore 33% of the health and resource immediately and 66% over the duration. This will balance the skill that was supposed to be interpretable during CC immunity.
3)Persistence passive - work on stamina only skills, increase to 20%.
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Rahar✭✭✭✭Let's try this again.
OP: I'm not sure you're going to get much constructive discussion here. Even if you have a good idea worth discussing, like your proposed change to shields to make them actually useful for any mag class, everyone's going to decry it as sacrilege because they still think magsorc is too strong in 2020 because endless fury shows up last on their kill feed when they're running a glass cannon build in low MMR death matches, and has for a while now. They don't see past that.
They'll disregard completely the fact that magsorc has the lowest build diversity of any class (helped by this patch slightly, but only 3-4 sets still work for the class due to shields), has obscene and arbitrary minimum travel times on most of its projectiles and its execute, has no spammable within the class, has been toned down patch after patch, and still suffers from game breaking bugs. It works so well because it has high damage, mobility, and a decent stun, but its not the best by a large margin and I want to reiterate here that any problem with any class is worth fixing; this annoying priority approach the community takes with discussing balancing is a bad approach to take for the health of the game (this is when "but DKs/NBs/magcros etc. are worse off, so we should balance them first!" is used as a way to dismiss problems that plague magsorc as not worth fixing).
So yeah, OP. Thanks for giving the problem some visibility. I think your shield idea is good, but frags is fine. Can't comment on stamsorc.NeRf MaGsOrC1 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »ItsNotLiving wrote: »The_Camper wrote: »Imagine asking for Magsorc buffs in 2020 xD
mate they are the easiest to play class in pvp.
The only buff would be to stam sorc bro everything else is just quality of life changes
Stamsorc?? Lol strongest class on this patch ...
Strongest in OW survivability? Not entirely, but debatable. Strongest in its offensive capability? Absolutely not. In fact it’s considered to be the worst dueling class by most duelists because of the mediocre damage output. You would have to abuse certain cheese sets to be able to compete, but that’s like putting a bandaid on a wound, it doesn’t fix the real issue of the class. The easiest way to put it is if weapon skills change, so does stamsorc’s damage output.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »
No. Most dangerous class to run into. Just go watch Faso play his.1 -
OBJnoob✭✭✭✭✭
✭I want to reiterate here that any problem with any class is worth fixing; this annoying priority approach the community takes with discussing balancing is a bad approach to take for the health of the game (this is when "but DKs/NBs/magcros etc. are worse off, so we should balance them first!" is used as a way to dismiss problems that plague magsorc as not worth fixing).
I couldn't disagree with you any more. The very idea behind balancing... the very idea behind equality... revolves around how good something is RELATIVE to something else. If we can agree that magsorc is the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best class then we really just don't need to buff them at all. Because of priorities. And because of balance. That is the proper way to think about it. If magsorc becomes better (even if it is through fixing a legitimate gripe,) but it was already good then, literally, overall game balance got worse.
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Rahar✭✭✭✭I want to reiterate here that any problem with any class is worth fixing; this annoying priority approach the community takes with discussing balancing is a bad approach to take for the health of the game (this is when "but DKs/NBs/magcros etc. are worse off, so we should balance them first!" is used as a way to dismiss problems that plague magsorc as not worth fixing).
I couldn't disagree with you any more. The very idea behind balancing... the very idea behind equality... revolves around how good something is RELATIVE to something else. If we can agree that magsorc is the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best class then we really just don't need to buff them at all. Because of priorities. And because of balance. That is the proper way to think about it. If magsorc becomes better (even if it is through fixing a legitimate gripe,) but it was already good then, literally, overall game balance got worse.
Which is why I explicitly said "fixing problems" and not "buffing". Fixing mechanical issues of the class, like removing arbitrary minimum travel time of projectiles and the way shields scale have next to no downsides and would leave the class in the same neighborhood of power, relatively speaking, because numerical values would stay around the same level. It just opens up the class to more options and makes it more FUN, which is the holy grail here. It wouldn't somehow do more damage or suddenly become godlike just because 1100 ms of min. travel time on Fury was removed or 450 ms of travel time on Frags was removed. In fact, they'd be more equal to other classes because they could risk getting in melee to do faster damage, which is balance by your definition. This isn't a magsorc exclusive problem.
These forums are inundated with an extremely destructive mindset. If they see Fury too many times on their death feed, they don't consider how much time they had to dodge the skill -- which, by the way, you have 2 chances to do, like no other execute -- or consider the crappy armor sets they're wearing. They immediately play the victim because they don't believe that they might be the problem. Then others eat it up from what's said on the forums and repeat it ad nauseum without actually experiencing it themselves because its easier and cooler to do it that way. Then, when someone brings up a fundamental, deep-rooted problem in a class that would normally be worth discussing, these people outright refuse to discuss it because it has something to do with fixing magsorc, and we can't have that! Look how powerful they are already!
It's really, really tiring. In the world of reality, in high MMR, magsorcs are actually not that great outside of a SUPER long ranged execute because they crumble under pressure. Just look at what the top players and streamers are running for your proof. HINT: It's not magsorc.
Anyway, the TL;DR: Just because a class is powerful doesn't mean that we should ignore deep-rooted mechanical problems like the idiotic way shields scale.NeRf MaGsOrC0 -
PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »
No. Most dangerous class to run into. Just go watch Faso play his.
Ever considered its the player and not the class ?
We probably just have one or two competent mag sorc streamers left on NA rn. Most dangerous class but every other streamer is a stamina main eh ?
Stam claps all mag classes on NA BG's today.Edited by PhoenixGrey on 1 July 2020 21:461 -
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✭Aeternum113 wrote: »Amusing the denial that sorcs are op.
I will welcome a first hand demonstration0 -
OBJnoob✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Rahar okay fair point but you don’t see how fixing that problem is also buffing them? It’s not like you’re pointing out an actual glitch you’re pointing out traveling times of projectiles and saying the current delay values are arbitrary but what are your proposed changes if not arbitrary? You’re just the arbitrator now. People have a right to disagree. And saying that magsorc functions pretty well -v- other specs is pretty much exhibit a.0 -
Metemsycosis✭✭✭✭Lol sorc still godmode. Who thinks otherwise lol
No ranged stun eh?
What happened to rune prison?
Streak ?
Clench? (Not a class skill true)Terethea Magdalena, Breton Nightblade
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