magsorc- plz critique stats (super squishy)
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Pet Magsorc.
Stats are non-cyro/Bg stats
No-buff active as you can see in the pic
CP 400 atm
My main concern is the super low resistance. It does go up with boundless storm but i still think its very low.
Please critique any other concerning numbers from my stats.
Sets:
2x Inferno guardian (Want to get Chudan and drop boundless storm but don't have DLC)
5x Bright throat's boast (armor + Destro staff + Resto staff)
5x Necropotence (armor + jewelry)
weapons are gold, rest are purple
Sometimes I switch Bright throat's with Crafty Alfiq.
Thinking of going S&B on backbar
Thank you
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OBJnoob✭✭✭✭✭
✭I’m no expert on magsorcs or the new patch but I’d think that would be a rather good build at the moment. Your resistances are right where they should be. It might be a good idea to change monster sets. I’d think pirate skeleton would be a good defensive choice since a magsorc probably relies more on streaking and bubbling than healing anyway. Obviously your resistances would be higher with the way the monster pieces used to be but... I’m assuming that’s exactly why you’re doing something else.
I wouldn’t go sword and shield if I were you. It looks like you’ve got a fair amount of stamina as most pvp chars should but you might immediately find it’s not enough if you start using it to block. Use an ice staff if that’s what you really wanna do. But, again, does blocking even help if the damage hits your bubble first??
Your spell damage and your recovery seem low which is concerning. I feel like this is your real problem. I know you are running a max mag build, and your damage is probably better than I’m imagining, but I would think about infusing some of your jewelry if I were you. For either one.
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Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Resistances are good enough, if you want to play more defensively you can always run Ball of Lightning (assuming you are not running it already). What skills are you using btw?
As for the monster set i would run Engine Guardian, all 3 recoveries are great, and as a sorc you can turn that stam recovery into mag by using Dark Conversion if you don't need the stam.
Try S&B instead of resto, it makes you way tankier plus you can get some stamina back from heavy attacks.0 -
I’m no expert on magsorcs or the new patch but I’d think that would be a rather good build at the moment. Your resistances are right where they should be. It might be a good idea to change monster sets. I’d think pirate skeleton would be a good defensive choice since a magsorc probably relies more on streaking and bubbling than healing anyway. Obviously your resistances would be higher with the way the monster pieces used to be but... I’m assuming that’s exactly why you’re doing something else.
I wouldn’t go sword and shield if I were you. It looks like you’ve got a fair amount of stamina as most pvp chars should but you might immediately find it’s not enough if you start using it to block. Use an ice staff if that’s what you really wanna do. But, again, does blocking even help if the damage hits your bubble first??
Your spell damage and your recovery seem low which is concerning. I feel like this is your real problem. I know you are running a max mag build, and your damage is probably better than I’m imagining, but I would think about infusing some of your jewelry if I were you. For either one.
Thank you so much for your input. Ill definitely try Ice Staff. I didn't know blocking with ice staff costs magicka instead of stam. I've heard Pirate skelly is a good set and will farm for sure
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Resistances are good enough, if you want to play more defensively you can always run Ball of Lightning (assuming you are not running it already). What skills are you using btw?
As for the monster set i would run Engine Guardian, all 3 recoveries are great, and as a sorc you can turn that stam recovery into mag by using Dark Conversion if you don't need the stam.
Try S&B instead of resto, it makes you way tankier plus you can get some stamina back from heavy attacks.
Thank you for your help!
I do not run Ball of lightning but ill try that instead of streak.
Engine guardian was also on my list to farm ill look into that
i should mention that i only play in No-CP campaign so my max stam is lower than the pic. around 13k
1. For S&B sets, do you recommend Potentates? or something else?
2. Please see below for my skills that i'm running with.
If i go pet-less i would add "Rapid Regen" and "Harness Magicka" instead of Twilight.
Sometimes i swap overload with shooting star. and i swap Fury with Elemental drain.
Edited by Leukedonia on 7 June 2020 18:440 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Leukedonia wrote: »Resistances are good enough, if you want to play more defensively you can always run Ball of Lightning (assuming you are not running it already). What skills are you using btw?
As for the monster set i would run Engine Guardian, all 3 recoveries are great, and as a sorc you can turn that stam recovery into mag by using Dark Conversion if you don't need the stam.
Try S&B instead of resto, it makes you way tankier plus you can get some stamina back from heavy attacks.
I do not run Ball of lightning but ill try that instead of streak.
If you don't have any other stun then keep streak, you'll need it.Leukedonia wrote: »Resistances are good enough, if you want to play more defensively you can always run Ball of Lightning (assuming you are not running it already). What skills are you using btw?
As for the monster set i would run Engine Guardian, all 3 recoveries are great, and as a sorc you can turn that stam recovery into mag by using Dark Conversion if you don't need the stam.
Try S&B instead of resto, it makes you way tankier plus you can get some stamina back from heavy attacks.
1. For S&B sets, do you recommend Potentates? or something else?
2. Please see below for my skills that i'm running with.
If i go pet-less i would add "Rapid Regen" and "Harness Magicka" instead of Twilight.
Sometimes i swap overload with shooting star. and i swap Fury with Elemental drain.
1 - Potentates would be the best option, plus you can add more mitigation by running Temporal Guard ulti.
2 - I would run Dampen instead of Harness. Health is too low btw, remember that your shields are capped at 60% of your max health. Make sure you run tri glyphs, you'll need more health and stamina.
Both overload and shooting star are good. You can also run Atronach, it's good for LoS.
PS: If you have Greymoor check out this set too: https://eso-sets.com/set/torc-of-tonal-constancy1 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oh, and don't forget to slot Critical Surge.
Also you won't need Endless fury, Frags hit pretty hard already.Edited by Vietfox on 7 June 2020 18:530 -
NinchiTV✭✭✭✭✭Resistances should be around 18k-20k, shields arent as strong as the old days where you could hide behind it and not worry about resistances. Your shield will go down and you will get hit by a semi truck of damage thats where resistances come it for a secondary defense and you dont go splat after you get CC'd with your shields down. And typically 3k crit resist tends to be the gold standard in cp pvp. Spell recov is preference, if your comfortable at 1.6k cool, I've always try and stay 2k recov or a little below that.
Restro vs S&B...restro heavy you get more mag back but your vulnerable in that channel you could put a stam glyph or poision on it so you get stam back that way. But S&B is just better. The stam you get from HAs keeps you in the fight. When your pet goes down you can block and summon it.
For pet less your alternative abilities you said are good.0 -
Oh, and don't forget to slot Critical Surge.
Also you won't need Endless fury, Frags hit pretty hard already.
Thank you. i don't have greymoor but when I do get it, ill take a look at that new item and will definitely buy some Tri-stat glyphs.
So, you would slot Critical surge instead of Fury? So ideally I would only have 3 attack skills? (Crystal Frag + Crushing shock + Curse)0 -
Resistances should be around 18k-20k, shields arent as strong as the old days where you could hide behind it and not worry about resistances. Your shield will go down and you will get hit by a semi truck of damage thats where resistances come it for a secondary defense and you dont go splat after you get CC'd with your shields down. And typically 3k crit resist tends to be the gold standard in cp pvp. Spell recov is preference, if your comfortable at 1.6k cool, I've always try and stay 2k recov or a little below that.
Restro vs S&B...restro heavy you get more mag back but your vulnerable in that channel you could put a stam glyph or poision on it so you get stam back that way. But S&B is just better. The stam you get from HAs keeps you in the fight. When your pet goes down you can block and summon it.
For pet less your alternative abilities you said are good.
Thank you for your input.
What do you suggest to improve the resistances? Gold-out armors + defensive monster sets + Defending trait on my front bar? anything else im missing?
I just did a little test. Equipped potentates S&B and with Boundless storm i sit at about 20k resistances. HOWEVER, on my front bar with Desto staff, I'm not even close (15k resist)0 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Leukedonia wrote: »Oh, and don't forget to slot Critical Surge.
Also you won't need Endless fury, Frags hit pretty hard already.
Thank you. i don't have greymoor but when I do get it, ill take a look at that new item and will definitely buy some Tri-stat glyphs.
So, you would slot Critical surge instead of Fury? So ideally I would only have 3 attack skills? (Crystal Frag + Crushing shock + Curse)
+ Streak.
OR you could run the master destro + clench and change streak for ball of lightning, but that would force you to change your build. If you went for the master destro i guess the build could be something like this: 5 lich backbar, 5 crafty on body, master destro, Engine Guardian.
I'm doing this all in my head so i'm not sure about what numbers you would get. Try using this: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor0 -
Leukedonia wrote: »Oh, and don't forget to slot Critical Surge.
Also you won't need Endless fury, Frags hit pretty hard already.
Thank you. i don't have greymoor but when I do get it, ill take a look at that new item and will definitely buy some Tri-stat glyphs.
So, you would slot Critical surge instead of Fury? So ideally I would only have 3 attack skills? (Crystal Frag + Crushing shock + Curse)
+ Streak.
OR you could run the master destro + clench and change streak for ball of lightning, but that would force you to change your build. If you went for the master destro i guess the build could be something like this: 5 lich backbar, 5 crafty on body, master destro, Engine Guardian.
I'm doing this all in my head so i'm not sure about what numbers you would get. Try using this: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor
Gotcha. Thank you for your detailed and quick reply.
I don't see myself able to farm Master Destro staff anytime soon.
If i go pet-less what gear set would you recommend?
I was thinking Crafty Alfiq + Bright throat's.
Again, I mainly play on No-CP campaign if that matters.0 -
OBJnoob✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wow I’ve never tried sword n shield on a sorc. I think I’ve just learned something lol0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Leukedonia wrote: »Oh, and don't forget to slot Critical Surge.
Also you won't need Endless fury, Frags hit pretty hard already.
Thank you. i don't have greymoor but when I do get it, ill take a look at that new item and will definitely buy some Tri-stat glyphs.
So, you would slot Critical surge instead of Fury? So ideally I would only have 3 attack skills? (Crystal Frag + Crushing shock + Curse)
I would advise against Surge. That skill is used as a heal on S'n'B sorcs, but non-pet ones. The matriarch covers your heal already. Dampen Magic can give you more breathing room if you stack it with Hardened Ward.
BTB and Alfiq is a good combo. Your health pool is fine. The tristat drink covers your stam pool, so I wouldn't use triglyphs. Since it's no-CP, Engine Guardian can work wonders.
Defense is a bit tricky on magsorc. You will easily melt if you're receiving too much pressure, as shields don't evade or mitigate damage, unlike dodge and block. I'm guessing this is your real problem, not your build. Magsorcs are extremely mobile, however, and with two shields they can survive a bit of punishment for a short time. For you, that means you should pick battles carefully, don't engage too many opponents and be prepared to re-position if it gets too much. It takes some experience to find your rythm, so don't feel bad if you die here and there.
Also, occasional blocking (with or without SnB), a well-timed dodge and use of obstacles to break line of sight (LoS) can help taking pressure off of you.0 -
NinchiTV✭✭✭✭✭Leukedonia wrote: »
I got all inpen on and had mighty chudan for petsorc. front bar (flame) trait could be infused or charged, nirn and sharpen is also decent.
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Aces-High-82✭✭✭✭Check out Malcolm's yt channel. New Vid for Grey Moore
https://youtu.be/Z7zgnMkquVc 0 -
Mankeyyyyy✭✭I would never use Mighty Chudan ever, especially after nerfs. It's basically trading a 2 piece to save a skill slot and boundless storm is actually a good skill if used correctly. The way you survive on sorc is more about awareness and positioning than having high resistances. It's VERY easy to just never let multiple people be in melee range of you and you're basically unkillable as long as you can sustain.
I'm gonna second that shoutout to Malcolm above. I agree with almost everything he says when it comes to Magsorc even though I do play a different build.Edited by Mankeyyyyy on 9 June 2020 09:370