Hey can we make it so Nightblade can stand in a fight for more than 2 seconds without dying?

erio · June 2020

Queue into a bg and watch what happens to any nightblade when they try to go in and brawl.

likecats · June 2020

erio wrote: »

Queue into a bg and watch what happens to any nightblade when they try to go in and brawl.

Main issue for nightblade survivability right now is that performance is sooo bad. Everything I press feels 1 second delayed. Nightblade is one of those classes that becomes completely unviable at the slightest lag. So yeah, first priority for ZOS should be to fix performance.

kaithuzar · June 2020

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

erio · June 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

Im not tryina play some scuffed magblade or gankblade. I wanna stand in a fight.

olsborg · June 2020

Stamblade is dead in the water this patch, theres zero selfhealing, its a joke. Unless you wanna play a pure ganker/sniper, just dont bother logging that char in to pvp.

killingspreeb16_ESO · June 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

Cool but not enough,at the first mistake or server desync you get from 100 to 0most of the time.

And all the aoe meta plus dot/channel attack that hit you in roll dodge which is not helping esp in a BG.

Kadoin · June 2020

Technically you can last more than 2 seconds if you hold the block button or keep rolling...

Vietfox · June 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

You forgot Shadow Image.

erio · June 2020

Kadoin wrote: »

Technically you can last more than 2 seconds if you hold the block button or keep rolling...

Id love for you to queue into a bg and try. Little resists, little damage mitigation, no good buffs, and now little healing. The brawler playstyle is almost impossible

kaithuzar · June 2020

Vietfox wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

You forgot Shadow Image.

Eh, not forgotten it just changes patch to patch on whether it works or not; I haven’t tested this patch

kaithuzar · June 2020

erio wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

Im not tryina play some scuffed magblade or gankblade. I wanna stand in a fight.

I don’t gank I play heavy offense with the ability to reset the fight if I need

kaithuzar · June 2020

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

Cool but not enough,at the first mistake or server desync you get from 100 to 0most of the time.

And all the aoe meta plus dot/channel attack that hit you in roll dodge which is not helping esp in a BG.

Actually it is enough, if you’ve been paying attention to patch notes, almost all sources of resistances have been lowered. The only real mitigation that still works is percent mitigation, which is what I suggested stacking.
My build is specifically for magblade, if you want a Stamblade build, check out Sniker’s vids.

erio · June 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

erio wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

Im not tryina play some scuffed magblade or gankblade. I wanna stand in a fight.

I don’t gank I play heavy offense with the ability to reset the fight if I need

aka gank

Tammany · June 2020

Vietfox wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

You forgot Shadow Image.

For shadow imagie you have to precast it in LOS before every minor fight, or you have to live more than 2 seconds to use it's benefit - doesnt work according to the topic.

killingspreeb16_ESO · June 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

Cool but not enough,at the first mistake or server desync you get from 100 to 0most of the time.

And all the aoe meta plus dot/channel attack that hit you in roll dodge which is not helping esp in a BG.

Actually it is enough, if you’ve been paying attention to patch notes, almost all sources of resistances have been lowered. The only real mitigation that still works is percent mitigation, which is what I suggested stacking.
My build is specifically for magblade, if you want a Stamblade build, check out Sniker’s vids.

I guess you don't play stamblade in BG.

Sniker build seem more toward cp-pvp than no-cp.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · June 2020

olsborg wrote: »

Stamblade is dead in the water this patch, theres zero selfhealing, its a joke. Unless you wanna play a pure ganker/sniper, just dont bother logging that char in to pvp.

I have to agree. Stamblades weren't great before U26, but now .... Playing with limited self heals that revolve mainly around vigor is pretty challenging. I'll go pick up the skyshards in Greymor with my stamblade then put him on semi vacation at Sleek Creek until things improve.

(On the other hand, I'm finding out that Magblades are sort of fun to play again.

)

Xologamer · June 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

impen on nb is the uselest thing ever specaly since they nerfed it - nb is the only class u can ignore resistance 100%

Lughlongarm · June 2020

erio wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

Im not tryina play some scuffed magblade or gankblade. I wanna stand in a fight.

Just saw a streamer magicka/hybrid NB doing BG'S with a brawling build, 30k+ hp and cap speed, destroying ppl with DW heavy attacks. Was very entertaining to watch.

Bergzorn · June 2020

Xologamer wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

nb is the only class u can ignore resistance 100%

Not if you want to brawl.

kalunte · June 2020

not all classes should be good at doing everything. i guess we could imagine some templarz/dkz complaining about being *** at long range.

NB have no access to good synergies for their mates, nor reliable healings for themselves + others, and therefor are *** at brawling unless they get carried by their team but they are good at baiting

the "play as you want" leitmotiv as never been "be on top whatever you choose to play" and never will be.

deal with it.

As for being able to brawl with a NB, well, it is possible, but you will always be less efficient than any other class that brawlz.

Joinovikova · June 2020

erio wrote: »

Queue into a bg and watch what happens to any nightblade when they try to go in and brawl.

Two second??? Many classes are gangable under 0,7s LA set ups in 0,5s if u have so much time sheild cloack. Dodge roll block ...

kaithuzar · June 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

erio wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

Im not tryina play some scuffed magblade or gankblade. I wanna stand in a fight.

I don’t gank I play heavy offense with the ability to reset the fight if I need

[Quoted post was removed]

Negative, the ability to cloak out in a bad situation is NOT the same as starting the fight from stealth. I do not engage from stealth! I buff up and poke you from a far then I come in close and brawl you with offense.

kaithuzar · June 2020

Xologamer wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

impen on nb is the uselest thing ever specaly since they nerfed it - nb is the only class u can ignore resistance 100%

They did nerf it, but it’s far from useless.
The only situation where it would be useless was if someone was wearing malacath ring and/or proc sets & not relying on critical strikes.
Most of the PVP community relies on critical strikes in order to kill.

Xologamer · June 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

Xologamer wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

impen on nb is the uselest thing ever specaly since they nerfed it - nb is the only class u can ignore resistance 100%

They did nerf it, but it’s far from useless.
The only situation where it would be useless was if someone was wearing malacath ring and/or proc sets & not relying on critical strikes.
Most of the PVP community relies on critical strikes in order to kill.

i dont ment its useless in general i mean it is and was always useless on Nighblades

WreckfulAbandon · June 2020

NB's especially magblade can stand and fight.

You don't get to be the kings of single target burst (that ignores some of the most common mitigation sources that reduce dmg from other classes) and stand there in traffic and brawl like a stamDK. Which you actually still can, just not quite as well as some others.

There are some disgustingly strong NB builds out there, think outside the box [snip]

[Edited for Baiting]

Deathlord92 · June 2020

Shadow image and cloak a nb best friend. I understand how horrible it can be especially if there’s lag and yeah nb does need buffs but we aren’t useless.

erio · June 2020

kalunte wrote: »

not all classes should be good at doing everything. i guess we could imagine some templarz/dkz complaining about being *** at long range.

NB have no access to good synergies for their mates, nor reliable healings for themselves + others, and therefor are *** at brawling unless they get carried by their team but they are good at baiting

the "play as you want" leitmotiv as never been "be on top whatever you choose to play" and never will be.

deal with it.

As for being able to brawl with a NB, well, it is possible, but you will always be less efficient than any other class that brawlz.

Literally all they can do is roll around the outsides of a fight. Thats not what a nb should be.

erio · June 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

erio wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Steps to not dying;

1) never go more than 5 light
2) use impen traited gear
3) have a “heal” on your bar
4) use “real cloak” ~ the one that’s supposed to hide you
5) pre-buff yourself with a hot(heal) before going in
6) use block occasionally
7) use dodge roll sparingly
8) make sure you have race against time or some form of snare removal slotted
9) use damage % mitigation for defense ie.. psijic ult back barred, Swift, or at least 2 piece potentates (I use all)

10) PROFIT from not dying

Im not tryina play some scuffed magblade or gankblade. I wanna stand in a fight.

I don’t gank I play heavy offense with the ability to reset the fight if I need

[Quoted post was removed]

Negative, the ability to cloak out in a bad situation is NOT the same as starting the fight from stealth. I do not engage from stealth! I buff up and poke you from a far then I come in close and brawl you with offense.

Still waiting for you to stand in a fight

Anyron · June 2020

I suppose you are talking about stamblade.

If you are looking how to survive and tank in pvp with stamblade then sorry but that isnt what class was intended for. Your main tool is speed and agility.
You can also use cloak with shadow image - that combo can be super strong if its used correctly. Use it -> run -> use it for teleport -> vigor+cloak etc..

Build for speed, with balorg as monster helmet and when in fight keep using Los and slowly build your ultimate (bow ulti is op-its just like old Soul Assault ) and assassin's will with ranged weapon. When you are ready, unleash it on one enemy player. Then repeat

Speed is more important than most people think.

Goregrinder · June 2020

olsborg wrote: »

Stamblade is dead in the water this patch, theres zero selfhealing, its a joke. Unless you wanna play a pure ganker/sniper, just dont bother logging that char in to pvp.

That's EXACTLY how I'm playing my NB these days, it's been a blast!

erio · June 2020

Anyron wrote: »

I suppose you are talking about stamblade.

If you are looking how to survive and tank in pvp with stamblade then sorry but that isnt what class was intended for. Your main tool is speed and agility.
You can also use cloak with shadow image - that combo can be super strong if its used correctly. Use it -> run -> use it for teleport -> vigor+cloak etc..

Build for speed, with balorg as monster helmet and when in fight keep using Los and slowly build your ultimate (bow ulti is op-its just like old Soul Assault ) and assassin's will with ranged weapon. When you are ready, unleash it on one enemy player. Then repeat

Speed is more important than most people think.

Im not trying to tank. Im trying to literally just be able to stand in a fight and take and give damage like any other class.