I'm one such person. Severe rheumatoid disease and completely disabled in RL. Permanent joint damage in my hands. I found ESO shortly after launch and started playing for pain management. But, as my condition has worsened I have more and more trouble playing. I don't do trials anymore at all because a 10 minute, dps based boss fight where you're pressing your rotation keys over and over leaves me in pain and swollen. When I found PvP it was such a blessing! You fight some you ride some. Except for a few epic cases, battles used to be of shorter duration and the play is much more varied. But as the game has changed and performance in Cyrodiil has deteriorated it's getting so much harder for me there. When you have to press the same key numerous times because skills aren't going off, it's frustrating for everyone. For people like me it's also a source of increased pain.

I use a razer orb weaver and razer multi-button mouse and have made numerous key mapping changes to align with my fingers abilities. However, I haven't taken advantage of what the razer synapse macros could do for me because I don't want to violate TOS. In my condition, I've made many changes to my build and have no illusions about my ever deteriorating level of play but I don't want to stop playing at all. I've often wondered if the right macros could help me can't try them under current TOS. On the other hand, I also get why opening the door to macros would open a pandora's box for people wanting to cheat.

As a 43 year old, I'll give them the same advice I give everybody else: git gud.

I don't use my age as an excuse to cheat(macros). I've been developing arthritis in my hands for the last 5 or so years. I'd never even entertain the thought of trying to play under different rules than my opponents. To do so would lower me as a competitor.

If you're starting to hurt, take a break. If you feel you aren't cutting it mechanically, out think your opponents. Never allow the excuse of age enter your mind. Age is something you will NOT beat, so the moment you start blaming your losses on it, you have accepted that you will continue to lose and there's nothing you can do about it(aside from cheat, apparently).

For the record, I'm severely out of practice in ESO(just returned after around 1.5 years). But I still experience success in other competitive games. Most notably, I cracked the top 0.5% ranking in NA solo queue in PUBG in roughly 2-3 months at 41 years old.

Other than git gud, try out different control devices/input schemes. I've been experimenting with mice, keyboards, gamepads, joysticks, hitboxes, etc for decades. Including building customs of my own. Some are definitely more comfortable and easier on the hands than others. MMO mice are uncomfortable garbage that put enormous strain on the mouse hand in ESO. If you want to not beat your hands up, you most definitely want to be light attacking with one hand, and executing abilities with the other. You also want to give thought to how you'll be comboing your abilities, which abilities you will be executing while moving vs the ones you have to stand still for, etc. If it hurts, you're probably doing it wrong. Don't buy into the "meta" keybindings, they aren't necessarily the best. You want to minimize movement, but if certain movements hurt, you shouldn't be doing them, even if they are the most efficient.

Thank you OP, same issues here, even if only 38 years old, I kinda, just gave up and solo everything that is and some times isn't possible my own way to not get in others, I'll be following

Doesn't help if you already have social anxiety - To get ridiculed and cussed out even at a WB, despite putting 8 years of playing's knowledge to use, cause you don't weave.

zyk wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Do macros even work in lag? I often have to press a button multiple times to use a skill or even run, with a macro only half your rotation would go off if anything at all. Ive personally dealt with nerve damage, arthritis, etc the only thing i can recommend is play an easier class like warden or templar where a combo is not as important.

Macros work in lag as effectively as a player can.

A macro may be as simple as something that merely replays keystrokes and as complex as a full pledged scripting language like python that can read IO and utilize logic.

So while a very basic macro may be inflexible and could cause problems in some scenarios, a well-programmed script can compensate for conditions such as lag in various ways.

Oh yes indeed right u are. There's plenty of macroers specially those 1-2 to 5-6 small man farmer groups. So visible on screen too. Just wait around them if u die and u can see the speed they maneuver weapon and change bars. Specially the 2h weapon players Very noticeable.

I'm also going to use this opportunity to point out Brolylegs. He's a disabled Street Fighter player that plays near the top level(grand master in SFV, top ranked Chun Li in SF4). He can't play with his hands. So he uses his face, on a standard Xbox 360 controller. He doesn't ask to be an exception to the rules. He's not begging people to let him use macros. He just does his best to overcome his limitations within the same ruleset that applies to everybody else.

If Brolylegs can compete at the top level of a much more mechanically demanding game with his face, I think your friends can manage to find a way to play ESO without macros.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=s1MYSgy4QMw

zyk wrote: »

I just wanted to point out that automation in gaming can be much more sophisticated than the software that comes with mice and keyboards.

No doubt. I could probably write a program to play the game for me, if I wanted to. Not sure if I could do it undetected, but I suspect if I put the effort in, I could fly it under the radar.

I just don't see the point. A victory gained via cheating isn't a victory at all.

One of the challenges we're running into for PvP is roll dodging in different directions.

By default, the roll command bound to a key (per the controls setting in game) rolls you backwards. In order to roll to the side or to the front, one has to double tap a direction key, or hold movement key in that direction while hitting the default roll button.

To help address the challenge of a person's finger not being able to double-tap fast enough for the roll to happen, does anyone have any ideas on how to have a one-button press for roll front, roll left, and roll right without creating a macro along the lines of "hit W, wait 0.1s, hit W" ? Again noting that macros are against the TOS, just using that to ensure understanding of what we're looking for!

This is quite the learning experience for me.. I'm sure that many (if not most) of us take for granted little things that people with disabilities go through every day..

Edit: Spelling

Crown wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Whenever I reinstall ESO I always disable the double tap to roll dodge in the controls menu, because it's horrible and I always end up accidentally doing it. I rebind it to a button on my GT203 mouse.

I do the same, using a Razer with 12 buttons on the side, but that again only gives you the roll function (backwards if pressed alone). It would be nice to have a button for a roll in each direction without using a macro.

I find the roll button combined with the directional button very intuitive. A roll button for each direction would be too many buttons for me to remember haha... I'm sure there is a way to press 2 buttons at once? like have 1 finger on each hand? or a nose and a foot or something?...

Wizunas wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Do macros even work in lag? I often have to press a button multiple times to use a skill or even run, with a macro only half your rotation would go off if anything at all. Ive personally dealt with nerve damage, arthritis, etc the only thing i can recommend is play an easier class like warden or templar where a combo is not as important.

Macros work in lag as effectively as a player can.

A macro may be as simple as something that merely replays keystrokes and as complex as a full pledged scripting language like python that can read IO and utilize logic.

So while a very basic macro may be inflexible and could cause problems in some scenarios, a well-programmed script can compensate for conditions such as lag in various ways.

Oh yes indeed right u are. There's plenty of macroers specially those 1-2 to 5-6 small man farmer groups. So visible on screen too. Just wait around them if u die and u can see the speed they maneuver weapon and change bars. Specially the 2h weapon players Very noticeable.

Want a real eye opener, just check the skills you are hit with as a matter of routine with something breaking down the hits to the 100th of second. Then see how many are exactly the same sequence and done in the same 100th of a second- quite a number of people who move faster than nerve conduction in the hands moves. Is it lag? Input delay? Who knows, havent seen a "Z" out in cyro for at LEAST 5 years. If you never look for something, odds are you will not find it.