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The ULTIMATE compilation of why STAM NIGHTBLADE should be buffed
erio
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This is in no particular order. Im sure you can see me lose my mind as the list goes on
Nightblade brings almost nothing to a group
Even with cloak and shade, nightblade is incredibly squishy
If you build tanky, youll do less damage than almost every other class
1 Potion can counter the only thing nightblade WAS unique at
New vampire changes mean nightblade stealth isnt even unique. Adios class identity!
Cast times 100% hit nightblade the hardest, incap doesnt work half the time. Templar still doesnt have a cast time.....
Personally, the nb execute is useless. Sorc can put it on you for a burst, but if you get your opponent to 25% you might as well just use surprise attack or execute
Cloak is EXTREMELY unreliable
The flank mechanic is stupid
Every other ulti besides incap (and the psijic one) is useless (whens the last time you saw someone use Consuming darkness or soul shred)
Literally every other class does everything else besides stealth better
Spamming weak sauce Surprise attack is unfun. But haha jabs!!!!! haha dizzy swing!!!! Its ridiculous.
No delayed burst
Even weaker in no cp (impossible to truely 1vX)
Against any skilled player, your combo is easily dodged (LITERALLY NO UNDODGEABLE ABILITIES??? WHY) Dk has its undodgeable leap! Wardens have theirs, socrs have pets and templars have jabs...
The only viable combo is so extremely predictable
Half the time your abilities dont go off, which literally can mean death on a nightblade (Id say my executes dont go off literally 30-40% of the time, that means that the guy got back up and is already fully healed)
People complained that NB is op, when theyll play a stamcro, or just spam shields and instant heals while blocking on a mag class.
No more major defile
Incap is clunky and awful to use, and so is the 2h ulti, which used to be a fun change of pace that rewarded skilled gameplay. The stun from incap can literally be broken and dodgerolled to avoid the whole combo
Snipe never works on any decent player
Only a bad player who got ganked once cause he was afk on his horse would want to nerf nightblade
Literally everyone realizes how bad nightblade is, but ZOS doesnt listen to the feedback
Why does ZOS keep nerfing nightblade? I dont understand.... They clearly know its broken because they lock or reply half the nbs forum posts
In lag, nb is just unplayable. Literally one of the worst possible classes for primetime
Poison injection does like no damage
Is there a single 2020 build for stamblade that doesnt use NMA?
Haha whats that? You wanted to win against a petsorc in anywhere besides a rock or tower? lol. Even if you get your combo off, the pets probably body blocked your incap and relentless lmao
Can't stun with heavy attack into surprise attack out of Cloak anymore apparently (..........) No it was not a bug
Other class abilities have insane range, but sa has like none, which adds to clunkiness. Nothing as fun as being a nb and trying to hit someone as they just kite you around. Apparently the squishiest class has to be right up in all that aoe jabs goodness
Relentless is just so easy to dodge its so slow
Nbs key ability cloak, which they rely on to work can be broken easily by half the dk skills
The fear skill is so barebones....
Rally isnt a hot
I feel like you almost need to be a wood elf for the movement speed and recovery.
No fracture, and mark is terrible, makes you so obvious when ganking, and is pretty much useless in any other playstyle
Pretty much impossible to run a damage utility set. Has to be a damage damage set
Hey you know expansions, like how in every other mmo, the devs try to balance stuff. Instead, apparently "Nbs ArEnT tHe FoCuS...." Its an xpac about vampires.... Half of the nightblades in the world are vampires.
Im sure I left some stuff out. Please feel free to add them. I dont think any other class is as pitiful right now. Each other class at least has one truly viable spec, but not nightblade.
Nightblade brings almost nothing to a group
Even with cloak and shade, nightblade is incredibly squishy
If you build tanky, youll do less damage than almost every other class
1 Potion can counter the only thing nightblade WAS unique at
New vampire changes mean nightblade stealth isnt even unique. Adios class identity!
Cast times 100% hit nightblade the hardest, incap doesnt work half the time. Templar still doesnt have a cast time.....
Personally, the nb execute is useless. Sorc can put it on you for a burst, but if you get your opponent to 25% you might as well just use surprise attack or execute
Cloak is EXTREMELY unreliable
The flank mechanic is stupid
Every other ulti besides incap (and the psijic one) is useless (whens the last time you saw someone use Consuming darkness or soul shred)
Literally every other class does everything else besides stealth better
Spamming weak sauce Surprise attack is unfun. But haha jabs!!!!! haha dizzy swing!!!! Its ridiculous.
No delayed burst
Even weaker in no cp (impossible to truely 1vX)
Against any skilled player, your combo is easily dodged (LITERALLY NO UNDODGEABLE ABILITIES??? WHY) Dk has its undodgeable leap! Wardens have theirs, socrs have pets and templars have jabs...
The only viable combo is so extremely predictable
Half the time your abilities dont go off, which literally can mean death on a nightblade (Id say my executes dont go off literally 30-40% of the time, that means that the guy got back up and is already fully healed)
People complained that NB is op, when theyll play a stamcro, or just spam shields and instant heals while blocking on a mag class.
No more major defile
Incap is clunky and awful to use, and so is the 2h ulti, which used to be a fun change of pace that rewarded skilled gameplay. The stun from incap can literally be broken and dodgerolled to avoid the whole combo
Snipe never works on any decent player
Only a bad player who got ganked once cause he was afk on his horse would want to nerf nightblade
Literally everyone realizes how bad nightblade is, but ZOS doesnt listen to the feedback
Why does ZOS keep nerfing nightblade? I dont understand.... They clearly know its broken because they lock or reply half the nbs forum posts
In lag, nb is just unplayable. Literally one of the worst possible classes for primetime
Poison injection does like no damage
Is there a single 2020 build for stamblade that doesnt use NMA?
Haha whats that? You wanted to win against a petsorc in anywhere besides a rock or tower? lol. Even if you get your combo off, the pets probably body blocked your incap and relentless lmao
Can't stun with heavy attack into surprise attack out of Cloak anymore apparently (..........) No it was not a bug
Other class abilities have insane range, but sa has like none, which adds to clunkiness. Nothing as fun as being a nb and trying to hit someone as they just kite you around. Apparently the squishiest class has to be right up in all that aoe jabs goodness
Relentless is just so easy to dodge its so slow
Nbs key ability cloak, which they rely on to work can be broken easily by half the dk skills
The fear skill is so barebones....
Rally isnt a hot
I feel like you almost need to be a wood elf for the movement speed and recovery.
No fracture, and mark is terrible, makes you so obvious when ganking, and is pretty much useless in any other playstyle
Pretty much impossible to run a damage utility set. Has to be a damage damage set
Hey you know expansions, like how in every other mmo, the devs try to balance stuff. Instead, apparently "Nbs ArEnT tHe FoCuS...." Its an xpac about vampires.... Half of the nightblades in the world are vampires.
Im sure I left some stuff out. Please feel free to add them. I dont think any other class is as pitiful right now. Each other class at least has one truly viable spec, but not nightblade.
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Atherakhia✭✭✭✭[snip]
If PvP were a priority for the developers, Cyrodiil wouldn't be in the condition it has been for months/years. They aren't going to pay attention to Nightblades because the class is doing fine in PvE. ESO has been riding the 'there's simply nothing better' train for a long time. Even if this release wasn't focused on class changes, if they had anything to share they'd have shared it by now.
Half the threads on this forum are about the state of Nightblades and the only real response we've seen is them commenting that this patch wasn't intended to address any of them.
You should really take advantage of the next double xp fest and reroll.
[edited for baiting comment]
Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on 12 May 2020 20:302 -
erio✭✭✭✭✭Atherakhia wrote: »[snip]
If PvP were a priority for the developers, Cyrodiil wouldn't be in the condition it has been for months/years. They aren't going to pay attention to Nightblades because the class is doing fine in PvE. ESO has been riding the 'there's simply nothing better' train for a long time. Even if this release wasn't focused on class changes, if they had anything to share they'd have shared it by now.
Half the threads on this forum are about the state of Nightblades and the only real response we've seen is them commenting that this patch wasn't intended to address any of them.
You should really take advantage of the next double xp fest and reroll.
What a silly point.Edited by ZOS_RogerJ on 12 May 2020 20:300 -
Atherakhia✭✭✭✭Atherakhia wrote: »You're wasting your time. You know that right?
If PvP were a priority for the developers, Cyrodiil wouldn't be in the condition it has been for months/years. They aren't going to pay attention to Nightblades because the class is doing fine in PvE. ESO has been riding the 'there's simply nothing better' train for a long time. Even if this release wasn't focused on class changes, if they had anything to share they'd have shared it by now.
Half the threads on this forum are about the state of Nightblades and the only real response we've seen is them commenting that this patch wasn't intended to address any of them.
You should really take advantage of the next double xp fest and reroll.
What a silly point.
I'm sorry, but it's just a fact. Why continue to torture yourself when there has been absolutely 0 acknowledgement of the problems?2 -
waelan✭i'm here to support you, what Zos think to forget is that a lot of players began the game as a stam nb and just feel like they got betrayed by the point of it getting detroyed by the complains of multiple unskilled player that go burst down by a nightblade long ago, when it was overpowered, they put it to the ground and stomped on the class so many times that it got useless in pvp AND pve, i used to play high level content on my stamblade but actually it got no place in any vet trial HM, why ? because it's skishy and unreliable on the self sustain basis compared to it magicka class or all. other. classes.
it does underperform at all trades, even in exec phase now magplars just outperform it.
PVP talking : it's just a big shame, they underpowered it and now, you can't do anything without getting instakilled.
one dragon leap and exec and your Nb is dead. I ran all the sets to try to bear the damages of other classes, as you said Cloak is broken by all the aoe of the game, all the ddelayed damages, it's TOO MUCH for a "perk" of the nightblade.
Cloak HAS to be buffed, something like giving minor expedition and removing snares and immo + no aoe low IQ spamming could break it. at this moment only nightblades would come back in the PVP game.
lags doesn't make it easier as you said : it's just punishing SO MUCH MORE on you since your surviving depends on roll dodging compared to other classes who just get tankiness buffs and stack armor.
the delay on the cloak when an enemy hit you uncloak you because every damage taken while in cloak removes it.
it's just a big disavantage when you try to go melee with all those warden, Dk, Nec, plars having aoe around them that removes cloak AND have full of tanky buffs and mechanics that make your burst look like a feather tickle.
Going full ranged is the less disadvantaging option but then you find that all the ranged classes have a better burst and mobility than you.
the only role left to stamina nightblade is to spam a bombard on a BG/cyro hoping that no Dk/Warden/templar/stamsorc gonna dash on him cause it's a free kill for them.
can't trade with a magsorc without getting bursted down with their undodgeable unblockeable combo.
there is NOTHING left in this game for stamblades, unless maybe the ganking option and even there the tanky bursty meta makes it fail the 9/10 of the ganking tries due to overtankiness and overhealing.
i just can't figure out what i can do when my lethal arrow does crit for 3k dmg on a Dk with 35k health that leaps on me for a 9k leap and then finishes me off with 2h exec.
there is no skillgap, it's two buttons pushed, all we ask is the ability of trading even with all other classes, having the capacity of pressuring them, but no, even on the european forum all nightblade players complains about the loss of identity of the class and the lack of power.Edited by waelan on 10 May 2020 05:085 -
waelan✭actually i'm running this setup on my stamblade :
2 slimecraw, 5 dragonguard, 3 potentate, 1 BRP perfect bow, 1 master bow.
i can "help" and "assist" other players but can't even dream about contesting on a 1v1 without kiting even though i have 2 resisting sets.
without saying that my damages are just trash but running NMA is too much sacrifice for it damages.0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭actually i'm running this setup on my stamblade :
2 slimecraw, 5 dragonguard, 3 potentate, 1 BRP perfect bow, 1 master bow.
i can "help" and "assist" other players but can't even dream about contesting on a 1v1 without kiting even though i have 2 resisting sets.
without saying that my damages are just trash but running NMA is too much sacrifice for it damages.
Roll and block go a long way...1 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.2 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stamnb self healing is a joke already, after patch its gonna be so lol. Every class setup this healing nerf was targeted on was already overhealing ( stamcro, stamden, stamdk, stamplar) and they wont rly feel this healnerf, but stamblade def will.
PC EU
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Giljabrar✭✭✭✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
I see some top tier nightblades do scary stuff. When folks argue they don't offer anything to a group, I'm like, it's a rogue class. It's meant to be bursty, and excel at killing single targets. Which multiple top players are still able to make strong use of.4 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
I see some top tier nightblades do scary stuff. When folks argue they don't offer anything to a group, I'm like, it's a rogue class. It's meant to be bursty, and excel at killing single targets. Which multiple top players are still able to make strong use of.
Exactly that, theres no better way to to obliterate other groups faster than having a super bursty nightblade drop healers or glassy super high damage dealers2 -
Hotdog_23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
Get out of here telling lies like that. Everybody know NB’s are weak and can’t kill anyone. (Sarcasm)
Nightblades are not as “God Mode” that they use to be and can kill someone in a second or two. Now it takes 2-3 seconds. Everyone now thinks they are weak but in truth they are not. Sure, they are weaker and a bit of a mess but not completely useless either. Granted most of my experience is noCP maybe cpPVP is vastly different.3 -
Ezorus✭✭✭If they won't buff NB then i really wish for 3 things; Nerf Leap (its cheap, Gap closer, high damage, can't doge), Nerf Jabs (spam spam spam), make an option to not target pets (sick of landing combos on them instead of the player hiding behind 3 pets)3 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The NB skill line needs to be reworked a little. A heal that's not dependent on attacking others to work would be nice. Even a meditation/trance like heal that can only be used outside of combat would work. A lot of people don't want to spend a week in Cryodiil (realistically) or crowns to get the vigor skill. And how many people want to grind through to level 10 on the Psjic quest line to get that heal skill."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."0 -
waelan✭Nightblades are not as “God Mode” that they use to be and can kill someone in a second or two. Now it takes 2-3 seconds. Everyone now thinks they are weak but in truth they are not. Sure, they are weaker and a bit of a mess but not completely useless either. Granted most of my experience is noCP maybe cpPVP is vastly different. [/quote]
Nightblades get one shot in every battleground by all other classes, a Dk leap + exec smashes the hell out of my Nb, it's not fair because a player can't do anything to escape or resist unless you sacrifice your damages.
Nightblade does not get access to any tanking buff like major mending or protection, all other classes despite the sorc got them.
Nightblade get access to armor buffs through a passive skill, the uptime is trash since if you want to keep it you need to spam your skills or have a target.
Nightblade can't 1 vs 1 any other stamclass due to it's squishiness it's a fact, you try to burst down a target, it overheals it/rolldoge...
Our combo is well known and easily dodgeable, nothing to compare with the one of the sorc that can't be dodged or blocked if timed well.
Edited by waelan on 10 May 2020 16:062 -
waelan✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
stamblade having access to shade is a joke, you run with 9k magicka in noCP and you need to keep it for your cloak, shade is useless in most situations since you just get dived by 3 tanky bois in full heavy that just burst you down, i'm talking about fact : you put two players with equal skill dueling each others, one on a stamblade and the other on any other stamclass. the stamblade loses due to it squishiness, i used to run setups that went on 8k+ WD and i still did less damages to a full heavy Dk with my incap ( 120 ult, can be dodged, the 6 sec damage bonus is useless since all tanky classes got burst heal and turtling backbars ) than he did with his leap ( 110 ult, aoe, control, high damage, can't be rolldodged and barely blocked )1 -
Aedaryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
stamblade having access to shade is a joke, you run with 9k magicka in noCP and you need to keep it for your cloak, shade is useless in most situations since you just get dived by 3 tanky bois in full heavy that just burst you down, i'm talking about fact : you put two players with equal skill dueling each others, one on a stamblade and the other on any other stamclass. the stamblade loses due to it squishiness, i used to run setups that went on 8k+ WD and i still did less damages to a full heavy Dk with my incap ( 120 ult, can be dodged, the 6 sec damage bonus is useless since all tanky classes got burst heal and turtling backbars ) than he did with his leap ( 110 ult, aoe, control, high damage, can't be rolldodged and barely blocked )
Nope.
Shade is essential and a core skill to NB, it avoid to be "bursted by 3 tanky players", they focus you, you use shade to get away.
Stamblade doesn't need tankiness. A bit more healing like minor mending would be enough.
What stamblade need is damage or pressure, like Defile, Fracture, Berzerk, vulnerability. Not all of them them, but at least one.3 -
erio✭✭✭✭✭Atherakhia wrote: »Atherakhia wrote: »You're wasting your time. You know that right?
If PvP were a priority for the developers, Cyrodiil wouldn't be in the condition it has been for months/years. They aren't going to pay attention to Nightblades because the class is doing fine in PvE. ESO has been riding the 'there's simply nothing better' train for a long time. Even if this release wasn't focused on class changes, if they had anything to share they'd have shared it by now.
Half the threads on this forum are about the state of Nightblades and the only real response we've seen is them commenting that this patch wasn't intended to address any of them.
You should really take advantage of the next double xp fest and reroll.
What a silly point.
I'm sorry, but it's just a fact. Why continue to torture yourself when there has been absolutely 0 acknowledgement of the problems?
Oh so if something is clearly broken, we shouldnt ask for changes. Flawless logic. Nothing is set in stone.0 -
erio✭✭✭✭✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
I see some top tier nightblades do scary stuff. When folks argue they don't offer anything to a group, I'm like, it's a rogue class. It's meant to be bursty, and excel at killing single targets. Which multiple top players are still able to make strong use of.
What unique buffs can a nb offer? They cant heal, they cant tank, all they can do is be a rogue. Why take the rogue when a more tanky dude can dish out the same damage0 -
Tammany✭✭✭✭Nerf pot to 6 yards, make cloak reliable.
Would be already a huge buff since now main class ability (cloak) is a real unreliable garbage.Edited by Tammany on 10 May 2020 18:080 -
Tammany✭✭✭✭
Never said thats enuf, but no1 will rebalance NB class as first post requested and you know it, so i want to see at least some fixes around current skills we have to make them useful and reliable. Instant incap strike would be pretty cool, since it works only against bad/new players.1 -
waelan✭Just got out from a battleground with my stam Dk, I leap/exec any Nb that comes uncloaked, there was a big brawl with two magDk, one stamplar, one stamnec and me and another stamDk in my team, all the action was there.
And on the other side there was Nb's fighting each others, none has even got near us beside spamming snipe.
This is the condition of the Nb actually, can't fight when there is more than 1 guy.
Cloak is broken by everything it's just a joke to have such an unreliable "skill"
Shade is essential and a core skill to NB, it avoid to be "bursted by 3 tanky players", they focus you, you use shade to get away.
Stamblade doesn't need tankiness. A bit more healing like minor mending would be enough.
What stamblade need is damage or pressure, like Defile, Fracture, Berzerk, vulnerability. Not all of them them, but at least one.[/quote]People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
stamblade having access to shade is a joke, you run with 9k magicka in noCP and you need to keep it for your cloak, shade is useless in most situations since you just get dived by 3 tanky bois in full heavy that just burst you down, i'm talking about fact : you put two players with equal skill dueling each others, one on a stamblade and the other on any other stamclass. the stamblade loses due to it squishiness, i used to run setups that went on 8k+ WD and i still did less damages to a full heavy Dk with my incap ( 120 ult, can be dodged, the 6 sec damage bonus is useless since all tanky classes got burst heal and turtling backbars ) than he did with his leap ( 110 ult, aoe, control, high damage, can't be rolldodged and barely blocked )
Nope.
Shade is essential and a core skill to NB, it avoid to be "bursted by 3 tanky players", they focus you, you use shade to get away.
Stamblade doesn't need tankiness. A bit more healing like minor mending would be enough.
What stamblade need is damage or pressure, like Defile, Fracture, Berzerk, vulnerability. Not all of them them, but at least one.
as you said i slotted back this good ol' shade and did some tries, ok it got me out of some critical situations, especially since i'm a bow/bow build. BUT it didn't avoid helping me being one shot by any Dk ou stamden.
on the second point I do agree but it has to be paired to some resistance, what's the point of having all those debuffs if the guy just 2 shot you, or if you get focused in a brawl ? many other classes can survive by turtling and shielding, despite nightblade.0 -
OWLTHEMAD✭✭✭✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
Im sorry, ive bever heard of a nightblade using refreshing path in pvp. In any capacity.
I will agree they are strong in 1v1 dueling only though.
At least in my experience but still not op. Anyone who knows the nightblade combos will have an easy time negating them.1 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
Im sorry, ive bever heard of a nightblade using refreshing path in pvp. In any capacity.
I will agree they are strong in 1v1 dueling only though.
At least in my experience but still not op. Anyone who knows the nightblade combos will have an easy time negating them.
How do you negate soul harvest, fear, bow?0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
Im sorry, ive bever heard of a nightblade using refreshing path in pvp. In any capacity.
I will agree they are strong in 1v1 dueling only though.
At least in my experience but still not op. Anyone who knows the nightblade combos will have an easy time negating them.
How do you negate soul harvest, fear, bow?
A simple Dodge roll is more than enough to negate an entire damage combo from a mag/stamblade (which includes bow proc and soul harvest). And even if you were to hold either your bow proc or soul harvest until I´ve completed my Dodge roll, you´ve already missed out on enough burst to sufficently kill. The few occasions you´ll ever land both soul harvest and a bow proc is when performance messes things up on the receiving end of that perticular damage combo.
Conclusion: Remove cast time from soulharvest/incap (and soul siphon/soul tether) and reduce the minimal travel time of the bow proc.Edited by Qbiken on 11 May 2020 11:465 -
waelan✭People really complain about nightblade lmao, magica nb is the strongest duelling class in the game with refreshing path buff and the dot nerf, stamblade also has access to shade for minor maim that reapplies every 3 seconds so you cant even cleanse it, you get 10% mitigation for holding the bow proc, most run minor protection on the backbar with a potentates bow. You can run it with nma, swift and balorgh on an orc, hit 5k weapon damage without the balorgh proc, you get 20% extra damage for incap, think how strong that is, almost a major brutality buff on a pretty hard hitting ult for 75 ult. The class is still very strong, it just doesn’t play well as a pure gank roley polly 3 hit burst combo any more.
Im sorry, ive bever heard of a nightblade using refreshing path in pvp. In any capacity.
I will agree they are strong in 1v1 dueling only though.
At least in my experience but still not op. Anyone who knows the nightblade combos will have an easy time negating them.
How do you negate soul harvest, fear, bow?
block the soul harvest, get out of fear range or CC immunity, bow can be blocked/dodgerolled.0
