Best classes are: mWarden, mTemplar , mDK and stam necro. 3 magicka cross healing and Stam necro for burst and healing debuff. Stam necro could be replaced by mSorc if the warden use healing debuff.

All these stam solo players that are very typical for Cyro performs only in not organized groups. MMR right now is kind of stabilized again in EU at prime time and you can start seeing again that magicka cross healing is the right way to dominate.

It all depends on your group really and the players you get.

My main would be a MagWarden these days and I like it a lot, but sometimes the group makes it harder to play. Get a group of new players who refuses to push with no cross healing and I’ll switch to my magsorc because it’s self sufficient.

I’ll say I think the best group I’ve had was 3 magsorcs when I was on my magtemplar. Went 500 vs less than 200 points on both opposing teams against decent players.

In general I’d say:

Stamsorc
(Sunbark on his MagDK)
Magsorc
Stamwarden
Stamnecro
MagWarden
Magtemplar
Stamdk
MagDK
Magblade
Magnecro
Stamblade

That list is just from what I see taking the players who play those classes into account.

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

other classes >> class I decide to play

Honestly I think it all depends on what bracket you are in. There are days where I can dominate anyone, but other days where I just feel ashamed of my performance. Also, if your teammates are potatoes and don’t stick together, there is not much you can do against competent enemy groups.

Overall: sTemp, sNecro (full blown offensive stats), mSorc > rest

Yea, bracket matters a lot and so do team mates. I would say some classes just play worse than others because of mag healing though.

If it’s a weekday outside of prime time I get more matches with and against good players for whatever reason. Prime time for me is a disaster, people don’t heal themselves and run around everywhere.

I’ll play all my mag classes normally, but come prime time I stick to classes with self sufficient healing. Not being able to heal myself if other team mates don’t makes some classes unplayable with poor team mates. Being half health and every time you try to heal yourself it goes on someone else is ridiculous.

Based solely on my personal experience, and really only considering deathmatch BGs:

1. Magsorc
2. Stamplar, stamden, stamDK, magDK
3. Magden, magplar, stamcro
4. Stamsorc
5. Magcro, stamblade
6. Magblade

Mag NB

Lole wrote: »

You all rate magcro so low
It has probably the highest aoe burst in the game and strong sustain and Defence

Maybe you just didn’t meet decently built ones yet

By "decently built" you really mean, "playing a gimmicked, 1-trick-pony build." There are a couple of people who run/ran it with some success, but it's still generally inferior to "normal" builds on most other classes, at least against good opponents (and those very same players tend to be more dangerous on their other characters). If you aren't caught off-guard, it's really not that difficult to counter most of the time.

That dumb gimmick is really holding the class back, IMO, since it's such an obvious thing for people to bring up when one mentions how bad Magicka Necromancer offense is otherwise. For those of us that don't enjoy cheesing with Harmony, Magicka Necromancer's offense basically consists of Blastbones + a spammable. Such a setup can work out fine for Stamina builds, thanks to itemization and Dizzying Swing being so much better than alternatives, but it simply isn't good enough for Magicka.

Edit:
Magicka Necromancer sustain also isn't what I'd call "strong" by any means. The Undead Confederate passive doesn't even pay for itself, and is really just extra "cost reduction" on keeping a pet up (plus 200 Stam regen, which is nice but nothing super special). Other than that, the only "sustain skill" is Mystic Siphon, which isn't really worth using. I've played Magicka Necromancer, Warden, and Templar with almost identical baseline regen numbers, and the Necromancer's sustain feels noticeably worse than the other 2.

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Lole wrote: »

You all rate magcro so low
It has probably the highest aoe burst in the game and strong sustain and Defence

Maybe you just didn’t meet decently built ones yet

By "decently built" you really mean, "playing a gimmicked, 1-trick-pony build." There are a couple of people who run/ran it with some success, but it's still generally inferior to "normal" builds on most other classes, at least against good opponents (and those very same players tend to be more dangerous on their other characters). If you aren't caught off-guard, it's really not that difficult to counter most of the time.

That dumb gimmick is really holding the class back, IMO, since it's such an obvious thing for people to bring up when one mentions how bad Magicka Necromancer offense is otherwise. For those of us that don't enjoy cheesing with Harmony, Magicka Necromancer's offense basically consists of Blastbones + a spammable. Such a setup can work out fine for Stamina builds, thanks to itemization and Dizzying Swing being so much better than alternatives, but it simply isn't good enough for Magicka.

Edit:
Magicka Necromancer sustain also isn't what I'd call "strong" by any means. The Undead Confederate passive doesn't even pay for itself, and is really just extra "cost reduction" on keeping a pet up (plus 200 Stam regen, which is nice but nothing super special). Other than that, the only "sustain skill" is Mystic Siphon, which isn't really worth using. I've played Magicka Necromancer, Warden, and Templar with almost identical baseline regen numbers, and the Necromancer's sustain feels noticeably worse than the other 2.

Yes with decently built I am talking about someone that uses the best skill magcro has... surprisingly, most classes are 1 trick pony when it comes to that Most classes run a setup with a skill that enables them their burstwindow. You wanna sit there and spam someone to death with bb and a spammable ? Sounds less fun to me.
It’s also not cheesy or anything it’s a normal metaskill for magcros...Just cuz you need to get harmony for it doesn’t make it cheesy.

Landing the graveyard against melees is a case of musclememory and nothing else, the syn has a 0 frame startup and you can use it allrdy before the graveyard is out... properly done you cant counter it at all besides randomly dodging arround, but that can happen to almost everything.

Magcro is pretty strong vs the current melee meta and that’s only cuz of that little “gimmick“, if we lose this now, necro would be unplayable in pvp not even a 50% dmgbuff to bb would be enough to fill that hole.

Magcro needs a decent cc and it would be in a topspot. But it struggles massively vs sorcs for the reason of getting close enough to land the graveyard.

Edit:
Did you btw ever play a aggressive necro build ? You might be surprised how much dmg a necro can push out with nma/es
I am still testing arround a lot to find a setup that suits me well, from mainly defensive sets up to 3 offensive sets
I am testing so many sets and combinations currently and it’s a pain to get harmony traits over and over again XD.
So far I think the most offensive pressure A necro gets out of a set is ES.

Take the time to make a build that works with your style of play... I worked on my Magsorc for 5 years and have tried many things... I landed on what I call a "Sith Build" great survivability, heavy Shock damage, great excute ability, and sustainability... I didn't go with some Alcast meta build. I tweaked the skills/cp (not that cp matters in BG), farmed many sets of gear before finding what worked for me... Any class can be OP with the right person using it

In general for every Bg matchtype, stamina and magicka dragonknights are the kings of bgs. A good timed and placed Leap or sometimes even a random spammed one into a group of enemies, will result in a wipe in favour of your team (At least in not high MMR Bgs, which are in my opinion 90% of the Bgs).
Leap is the best aoe hard cc in the game which is the longest to break free out of due to the launch component.
For objectives gametypes, capture the relic, domination or chaosball the stronger is probably magcro, yeah you heard it right. The ability to create area denial with totems, colossums and fears are invaluable in an objective type of gamemode, plus they make very good tanky healers too.
For crazy king flag game, maybe stamsorc is the best due to high mobility and quick burst.
For deathmatch solo run around the map efficiency, magsorc, stamcro, stamplar, stamsorc.
For group coordinated with decent people stamdk, magdk (as i already said) and stamden.

For total OPness the one and only stamina nightblade camper bow snipe spammer😂.

On my stamsorc, stamcros definitely are tough to beat, they got better burst, healing and tankiness. Some good stamdks put up good fights too.