OtarTheMad wrote: »like honestly i hear all this qq from players who can't play the class right. yall should reroll stamblade and try hitting people with spectral bow before posting all this qq about your broken beloved blastbones.
I hit people with spectral bow all the time. Sounds like a massive l2p issue.
OtarTheMad wrote: »like honestly i hear all this qq from players who can't play the class right. yall should reroll stamblade and try hitting people with spectral bow before posting all this qq about your broken beloved blastbones.
I hit people with spectral bow all the time. Sounds like a massive l2p issue.
I hit people with spectral bow too 99% of the time. I can tell you one thing though, you have to hide your spectral bow ability or tactician knockdown them or a good player is going to know to dodge roll it. Blastbones however you can just spam the ability and with half a brain cell/using the ability properly hit someone every time without needing to hide anything.
Moonsorrow wrote: »Major Defile on Templars Dark Flare should also be yeeted , it is an abomination - Templar is the healer & protector of LIFE and not a Defiler class. Change the Defile on Dark Flare to something else - OR better yet give that skill to Magblade. Magblade would the have some group utility with a cast time Major Defile that is dodgeable (so not OP) but has the lingering aoe effect for group purposes.
If there is to be balance in the force - it should affect ALL classes.
2nd option: for Stamnecro BB Major Defile is to have it affect only those who already have Poisoned Status effect on them. Makes building for it have sacrifices and/or teamplay and not 100% reliability.
3rd option:for Stamnecro BB Major Defile - make it have a Major Defile on the caster itself also if it procs on the enemy. So a KISS-CURSE. You Defile others but also yourself as a sacrifice. Risk & reward playing.
Yes, this time i agree and am at the side of the #TeamBohnT2
And yes, i play Necros, stam too & all other classes too equally and wish we will have a close illusion of balance enough to have all classes played at both pvp and pve and not just couple classes being the top picks for those who understand the meta game. Having masses of just 1 or 2 classes running around doing the same thing makes a boring game.
ZOS, people will buy Elsweyr & Necros even without them being Defiler Terminator 3000 models. I am happy that the Blastbones now WORK technically, but the "free and reliable" Major Defile on BB is a bit too much. Just put some condition or "kiss-Curse" on it or if a fast solution is best, change it to Minor Defile atleast.
Thank you for your consideration and please let us have fun while playing PVP at next patch so that it feels equal & balanced and not favoring couple of classes mainly. You have done many great things for this next patch - if you listen to us with this issue: you will make it a better gaming experience for your pvp community.
@ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert
Tagging you to hopefully check out this topic and see that me & @BohnT2 actually agreeing for something, it is so historical that it must be an issue that needs looking into and corrected before things go Live. I have faith in you. Be the goodguy ZOS, be loved for it.
You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.
You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.
Yes and this fix will increase the current unreliable uptime on major defile, that can happen to be less than 10% in a longer fight and is almost never above 50% even in duels, to an almost 100% uptime in any scenario.
Right now on Pc EU stamnecro is already one of the best if not the best duel spec because you can get major defile with an acceptable uptime along with other factors.
But with a 100% uptime the lethality and viability of the class skyrockets well above any competitor.
This means the whole PvP side will be centralized around stamnecro and that only comes down due to its access to a high major defile uptime.
The result of this is that everyone without major defile has to play a lot more tanky to not be cannon fodder for stamnecros but by doing so they also prevent every other spec from killing them while they can't kill anything either.
So this leave people playing even more tanky or people rolling stamnecro which then worsens the situation further.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.
Yes and this fix will increase the current unreliable uptime on major defile, that can happen to be less than 10% in a longer fight and is almost never above 50% even in duels, to an almost 100% uptime in any scenario.
Right now on Pc EU stamnecro is already one of the best if not the best duel spec because you can get major defile with an acceptable uptime along with other factors.
But with a 100% uptime the lethality and viability of the class skyrockets well above any competitor.
This means the whole PvP side will be centralized around stamnecro and that only comes down due to its access to a high major defile uptime.
The result of this is that everyone without major defile has to play a lot more tanky to not be cannon fodder for stamnecros but by doing so they also prevent every other spec from killing them while they can't kill anything either.
So this leave people playing even more tanky or people rolling stamnecro which then worsens the situation further.
Stamcro which uses Mortal Coil that's what makes it very good at duels. Thanks to Mortal Coil, Stamcro can control the fight. It will be very difficult for you to kill such a Stamcro, even with the Defile removed. This can be called a permanent bonus for healing and allows you to survive until the next click of Vigor. My Mortal Coil restores 23k health in 12 seconds with just one buff - Major Brutality. Because Mortal Coil takes the highest attacking indicator and Stam builds high WD. I tried to explain this to you. in this situation, Stamcro doesn't even need its own Major Protection, although this is his only buff.
P. S. We can't even imagine what will happen in small scale and groupe battles without Defile. When Wardens and Necro with Mortal Coil appear everywhere. My opinion is that you started your crusade on the wrong side.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.
Yes and this fix will increase the current unreliable uptime on major defile, that can happen to be less than 10% in a longer fight and is almost never above 50% even in duels, to an almost 100% uptime in any scenario.
Right now on Pc EU stamnecro is already one of the best if not the best duel spec because you can get major defile with an acceptable uptime along with other factors.
But with a 100% uptime the lethality and viability of the class skyrockets well above any competitor.
This means the whole PvP side will be centralized around stamnecro and that only comes down due to its access to a high major defile uptime.
The result of this is that everyone without major defile has to play a lot more tanky to not be cannon fodder for stamnecros but by doing so they also prevent every other spec from killing them while they can't kill anything either.
So this leave people playing even more tanky or people rolling stamnecro which then worsens the situation further.
Stamcro which uses Mortal Coil that's what makes it very good at duels. Thanks to Mortal Coil, Stamcro can control the fight. It will be very difficult for you to kill such a Stamcro, even with the Defile removed. This can be called a permanent bonus for healing and allows you to survive until the next click of Vigor. My Mortal Coil restores 23k health in 12 seconds with just one buff - Major Brutality. Because Mortal Coil takes the highest attacking indicator and Stam builds high WD. I tried to explain this to you. in this situation, Stamcro doesn't even need its own Major Protection, although this is his only buff.
P. S. We can't even imagine what will happen in small scale and groupe battles without Defile. When Wardens and Necro with Mortal Coil appear everywhere. My opinion is that you started your crusade on the wrong side.
Specs being naturally tanky is an issue that is only bad for the game when the tanky specs can easily kill others, which for stamnecro mainly comes from access to major defile and for most stamina specs onslaught which takes away a huge part of opportunity cost as penetration investments can be replaced by a good 2h ult uptime.
As explained in another thread of mine, the lack of consistent offensive along with high health pools is a much bigger issue than the strong heals.
But this is not the topic of this thread so please refrain from derailing this post.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »If you feel that you are missing the ability to use Defile please pay attention to sets such as Ward of Cyrodiil, Durok's Bane.
Read the second paragraph again.
It says "a now reliable skill offering 100% uptime of major defile"
Neither ward of cyrodiil or duroks can do that.
In this case, this is a feature of Stamcro.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »If you feel that you are missing the ability to use Defile please pay attention to sets such as Ward of Cyrodiil, Durok's Bane.
Read the second paragraph again.
It says "a now reliable skill offering 100% uptime of major defile"
Neither ward of cyrodiil or duroks can do that.
In this case, this is a feature of Stamcro.
And it is unhealthy for the game and as explained above negatively influences the game for every other class directly and indirectly and this would be the case no matter which spec had access to high major defile.
You associate the defile problem with 100% uptime. You do not suggest how to solve the problem with 100% uptime. Requests for nerf without offering a solution are unhealthy for the game as a whole.
Well zos nerfed every other abillity and set that had acces to a high defile uptime ...
Tbh defile is only good in Xv1 or duells, it make it even easyer for a group to chase down a solo player. It wont help solo players since the crosshealing is still to high.
I dont think that the stamcro is in a bad spot atm, even with the malfunctioning blastbones (well magcro is another story that class needs some love)
I agree with you completely. I don't mind changing 100% uptime only for Stamcro, but removing access to Defile from the Lord of the disease is just a complete failure. I decided to try Teso again just because of the role play. My opinion since uptime Defile is out of control on PTS, devs just need to slow down Blastbones only for Stamcro. Maybe after that there will be a new morph for Magcro, when blastbones Stamcro will be slowed down.
P. S. I also want to add that changing to minor is not an option. This will most likely eliminate the use of Stamcro for bow players.
universal_wrath wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »If you feel that you are missing the ability to use Defile please pay attention to sets such as Ward of Cyrodiil, Durok's Bane.
Read the second paragraph again.
It says "a now reliable skill offering 100% uptime of major defile"
Neither ward of cyrodiil or duroks can do that.
In this case, this is a feature of Stamcro.
And it is unhealthy for the game and as explained above negatively influences the game for every other class directly and indirectly and this would be the case no matter which spec had access to high major defile.
You associate the defile problem with 100% uptime. You do not suggest how to solve the problem with 100% uptime. Requests for nerf without offering a solution are unhealthy for the game as a whole.
Well zos nerfed every other abillity and set that had acces to a high defile uptime ...
Tbh defile is only good in Xv1 or duells, it make it even easyer for a group to chase down a solo player. It wont help solo players since the crosshealing is still to high.
I dont think that the stamcro is in a bad spot atm, even with the malfunctioning blastbones (well magcro is another story that class needs some love)
I agree with you completely. I don't mind changing 100% uptime only for Stamcro, but removing access to Defile from the Lord of the disease is just a complete failure. I decided to try Teso again just because of the role play. My opinion since uptime Defile is out of control on PTS, devs just need to slow down Blastbones only for Stamcro. Maybe after that there will be a new morph for Magcro, when blastbones Stamcro will be slowed down.
P. S. I also want to add that changing to minor is not an option. This will most likely eliminate the use of Stamcro for bow players.
Did you know that stamblade was the previouse "lord of the disease" before stamcro showed up? Things did not go well for stamblade after stamcro showed up. Same mistakes are being made. People complained too loud, me included, when incap was doing defile and it is an ultimate so it was taken out. Now you tell me it is fine for spammable ordelayed burst or whatever you want to call a skill that is not ultimate to have 100% uptime major defile. This is mental.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »If you feel that you are missing the ability to use Defile please pay attention to sets such as Ward of Cyrodiil, Durok's Bane.
Read the second paragraph again.
It says "a now reliable skill offering 100% uptime of major defile"
Neither ward of cyrodiil or duroks can do that.
In this case, this is a feature of Stamcro.
And it is unhealthy for the game and as explained above negatively influences the game for every other class directly and indirectly and this would be the case no matter which spec had access to high major defile.
You associate the defile problem with 100% uptime. You do not suggest how to solve the problem with 100% uptime. Requests for nerf without offering a solution are unhealthy for the game as a whole.
Well zos nerfed every other abillity and set that had acces to a high defile uptime ...
Tbh defile is only good in Xv1 or duells, it make it even easyer for a group to chase down a solo player. It wont help solo players since the crosshealing is still to high.
I dont think that the stamcro is in a bad spot atm, even with the malfunctioning blastbones (well magcro is another story that class needs some love)
I agree with you completely. I don't mind changing 100% uptime only for Stamcro, but removing access to Defile from the Lord of the disease is just a complete failure. I decided to try Teso again just because of the role play. My opinion since uptime Defile is out of control on PTS, devs just need to slow down Blastbones only for Stamcro. Maybe after that there will be a new morph for Magcro, when blastbones Stamcro will be slowed down.
P. S. I also want to add that changing to minor is not an option. This will most likely eliminate the use of Stamcro for bow players.
yeah lol put on a set to counter one class, no big deal tbh
yeah lol put on a set to counter one class, no big deal tbh
Well you won't meet anything other than stamnecros anyway
10/10 patch would reroll stamnecro again
You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.
usmguy1234 wrote: »You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.
Yeah and zos specifically said that 100% uptime on defile was too strong and yeeted everything- skill or armor that gave 100% defile uptime. While on the same hand giving 100% defile uptime to necro but luckily for us the skill came out borked. That being said, the intention of giving necro 100% defile uptime flies directly in the face to what zos told everyone. Interpret that as you may but it seems to me to be nothing but an underhanded money grab. Now that blastbones has 100% defile uptime, everyone will see how op this class truly is.
Czekoludek wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.
Yeah and zos specifically said that 100% uptime on defile was too strong and yeeted everything- skill or armor that gave 100% defile uptime. While on the same hand giving 100% defile uptime to necro but luckily for us the skill came out borked. That being said, the intention of giving necro 100% defile uptime flies directly in the face to what zos told everyone. Interpret that as you may but it seems to me to be nothing but an underhanded money grab. Now that blastbones has 100% defile uptime, everyone will see how op this class truly is.
Every nerfs were justified because your chars, skills and sets were too powerful*
*Unless we are speaking about content from new dlc, pls but elsweyr for necro (totally not p2w and stupidly broken in terms of raw power and group utility), buy new dungeon dlc for pseudo-iceheart