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Major Defile in Harrowstorm

  • nublife01
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    Like I am so sick of people who don't understand class/game mechanics complaining on the forums and causing ZOS to completely imbalance the game as a result. You want to know what is going to happen to necro now with this change? Your class is going to be overpowered for 1 patch maybe 2 and then its going to be nerfed very very hard to the extent that most of you wont be able to effectively play it and ZOS is going to wait awhile before buffing it again. I myself have a stamcro alt. I don't want these changes to go through because I know that after necro receives this buff its going to be nerfed to oblivion soon after. Just realize what yall are signing yourselves up for qq'ing on the forums instead of working at understanding your class better.
  • nublife01
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    OtarTheMad wrote: »
    nublife01 wrote: »
    like honestly i hear all this qq from players who can't play the class right. yall should reroll stamblade and try hitting people with spectral bow before posting all this qq about your broken beloved blastbones.

    I hit people with spectral bow all the time. Sounds like a massive l2p issue.

    I hit people with spectral bow too 99% of the time. I can tell you one thing though, you have to hide your spectral bow ability or tactician knockdown them or a good player is going to know to dodge roll it. Blastbones however you can just spam the ability and with half a brain cell/using the ability properly hit someone every time without needing to hide anything.
  • nublife01
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    Like come 1v1 me in imp city sometime otar. I kill every nb I come across because most are hot garbage with how high of skill cap stamblade is right now. Statistically speaking I'm sure youre no different.
  • OtarTheMad
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    nublife01 wrote: »
    OtarTheMad wrote: »
    nublife01 wrote: »
    like honestly i hear all this qq from players who can't play the class right. yall should reroll stamblade and try hitting people with spectral bow before posting all this qq about your broken beloved blastbones.

    I hit people with spectral bow all the time. Sounds like a massive l2p issue.

    I hit people with spectral bow too 99% of the time. I can tell you one thing though, you have to hide your spectral bow ability or tactician knockdown them or a good player is going to know to dodge roll it. Blastbones however you can just spam the ability and with half a brain cell/using the ability properly hit someone every time without needing to hide anything.

    I guess that is your experience with it, I almost never get hit by BB. Right now on live it's kind of slow so I can out run it most of the time and I even had one follow me around and not explode at all which was funny. Even if I don't out run it I can CC it or kill it before it even hits me. When I bring my Magcro main into Cyro a good way to get it to work all the time is to cast it right next to the target but I certainly won't stand there in a fight and spam it until it works. If it does not work first or second time then I move onto other abilities.

    I also understand your frustrations with nerfing, but I do believe that regardless of what happens with Blastbones' secondary effect Necros will get hit in the next update or two. People complain a lot about the Hulk Smash ult and it's Major vulnerability and also you hear a lot about Graveyard and it's synergy w/ Harmony. To be perfectly honest I am on the fence with the Defile issue, it does have counters on one hand but on another people who don't bother with counters will get Necros driven into the ground

    EDIT- What I would purpose for BB is take away Major Defile and give it a DoT that persists after exploding, maybe poison damage. An idea for Avid Boneyard (Believe that's the morph with the synergy). Is get rid of the self-synergy aspect and give it a Frost damage DoT that stays on even after leaving the area.
    Edited by OtarTheMad on 6 February 2020 22:13
  • sly007
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    I find it funny that it's okay for stamcro to have access to such a potent major defile attached to a skill that is on every stamcro bar. Major defile was attached to incapable, but apparently since incap is a "spammable" it didnt deserve major defile. Same thing happened to snipe like stated. We still have major defile on solar flare, which I think, should to removed as well. Major defile should be attached to ultimates. It is a strong debuff, similar to major vulnerability. No reason for non ultimate abilities to have it.
  • OtarTheMad
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    nublife01 wrote: »
    Like come 1v1 me in imp city sometime otar. I kill every nb I come across because most are hot garbage with how high of skill cap stamblade is right now. Statistically speaking I'm sure youre no different.

    Just LoL.
  • Dr_Ganknstein
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    So if they are applying major defile with a 100% up time just purge it every time. Problem solved, heck that was easy.
  • Moonsorrow
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    Major Defile on Templars Dark Flare should also be yeeted , it is an abomination - Templar is the healer & protector of LIFE and not a Defiler class. Change the Defile on Dark Flare to something else - OR better yet give that skill to Magblade. Magblade would the have some group utility with a cast time Major Defile that is dodgeable (so not OP) but has the lingering aoe effect for group purposes.

    If there is to be balance in the force - it should affect ALL classes.

    2nd option: for Stamnecro BB Major Defile is to have it affect only those who already have Poisoned Status effect on them. Makes building for it have sacrifices and/or teamplay and not 100% reliability.

    3rd option:for Stamnecro BB Major Defile - make it have a Major Defile on the caster itself also if it procs on the enemy. So a KISS-CURSE. You Defile others but also yourself as a sacrifice. Risk & reward playing. ;)

    Yes, this time i agree and am at the side of the #TeamBohnT2

    And yes, i play Necros, stam too & all other classes too equally and wish we will have a close illusion of balance enough to have all classes played at both pvp and pve and not just couple classes being the top picks for those who understand the meta game. Having masses of just 1 or 2 classes running around doing the same thing makes a boring game.

    ZOS, people will buy Elsweyr & Necros even without them being Defiler Terminator 3000 models. I am happy that the Blastbones now WORK technically, but the "free and reliable" Major Defile on BB is a bit too much. Just put some condition or "kiss-Curse" on it or if a fast solution is best, change it to Minor Defile atleast.

    Thank you for your consideration and please let us have fun while playing PVP at next patch so that it feels equal & balanced and not favoring couple of classes mainly. You have done many great things for this next patch - if you listen to us with this issue: you will make it a better gaming experience for your pvp community.

    @ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

    Tagging you to hopefully check out this topic and see that me & @BohnT2 actually agreeing for something, it is so historical that it must be an issue that needs looking into and corrected before things go Live. I have faith in you. Be the goodguy ZOS, be loved for it. :)
  • OtarTheMad
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    Moonsorrow wrote: »
    Major Defile on Templars Dark Flare should also be yeeted , it is an abomination - Templar is the healer & protector of LIFE and not a Defiler class. Change the Defile on Dark Flare to something else - OR better yet give that skill to Magblade. Magblade would the have some group utility with a cast time Major Defile that is dodgeable (so not OP) but has the lingering aoe effect for group purposes.

    If there is to be balance in the force - it should affect ALL classes.

    2nd option: for Stamnecro BB Major Defile is to have it affect only those who already have Poisoned Status effect on them. Makes building for it have sacrifices and/or teamplay and not 100% reliability.

    3rd option:for Stamnecro BB Major Defile - make it have a Major Defile on the caster itself also if it procs on the enemy. So a KISS-CURSE. You Defile others but also yourself as a sacrifice. Risk & reward playing. ;)

    Yes, this time i agree and am at the side of the #TeamBohnT2

    And yes, i play Necros, stam too & all other classes too equally and wish we will have a close illusion of balance enough to have all classes played at both pvp and pve and not just couple classes being the top picks for those who understand the meta game. Having masses of just 1 or 2 classes running around doing the same thing makes a boring game.

    ZOS, people will buy Elsweyr & Necros even without them being Defiler Terminator 3000 models. I am happy that the Blastbones now WORK technically, but the "free and reliable" Major Defile on BB is a bit too much. Just put some condition or "kiss-Curse" on it or if a fast solution is best, change it to Minor Defile atleast.

    Thank you for your consideration and please let us have fun while playing PVP at next patch so that it feels equal & balanced and not favoring couple of classes mainly. You have done many great things for this next patch - if you listen to us with this issue: you will make it a better gaming experience for your pvp community.

    @ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

    Tagging you to hopefully check out this topic and see that me & @BohnT2 actually agreeing for something, it is so historical that it must be an issue that needs looking into and corrected before things go Live. I have faith in you. Be the goodguy ZOS, be loved for it. :)

    While giving it minor defile wouldn't be a bad idea doesn't it already have it considering the ability does disease damage? In order to calm the whining I'd say just give the stamina morph a poison DoT and magicka morph should have some elemental DoT, like fire or frost.
  • Axx_Xa
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    You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.
  • BohnT2
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    Axx_Xa wrote: »
    You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.

    Yes and this fix will increase the current unreliable uptime on major defile, that can happen to be less than 10% in a longer fight and is almost never above 50% even in duels, to an almost 100% uptime in any scenario.

    Right now on Pc EU stamnecro is already one of the best if not the best duel spec because you can get major defile with an acceptable uptime along with other factors.

    But with a 100% uptime the lethality and viability of the class skyrockets well above any competitor.

    This means the whole PvP side will be centralized around stamnecro and that only comes down due to its access to a high major defile uptime.

    The result of this is that everyone without major defile has to play a lot more tanky to not be cannon fodder for stamnecros but by doing so they also prevent every other spec from killing them while they can't kill anything either.
    So this leave people playing even more tanky or people rolling stamnecro which then worsens the situation further.
  • katorga
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    I'd take up to 50% more damage based on distance travelled over defile, personally. Sadly the magicka morph secondary effect doesn't function on PTS, and it doesn't look like they will fix it, so I'll be swapping back to stamina.

    That said, major/minor defile are in the game now...no one is posting "OP" builds centering around it. It is not meta. It won't be meta next patch. It is so easy to boost damage/healing and defense all at once that defile doesn't really make a dent. Next patch will accelerate that based on the sets being added.

    That big BB burst landing more reliably will have a much, much bigger impact than defile being on it. If they fix the secondary effect on the magicka morph, even magicka necro might be viable.
  • OrderoftheDarkness
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    BohnT2 wrote: »
    Axx_Xa wrote: »
    You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.

    Yes and this fix will increase the current unreliable uptime on major defile, that can happen to be less than 10% in a longer fight and is almost never above 50% even in duels, to an almost 100% uptime in any scenario.

    Right now on Pc EU stamnecro is already one of the best if not the best duel spec because you can get major defile with an acceptable uptime along with other factors.

    But with a 100% uptime the lethality and viability of the class skyrockets well above any competitor.

    This means the whole PvP side will be centralized around stamnecro and that only comes down due to its access to a high major defile uptime.

    The result of this is that everyone without major defile has to play a lot more tanky to not be cannon fodder for stamnecros but by doing so they also prevent every other spec from killing them while they can't kill anything either.
    So this leave people playing even more tanky or people rolling stamnecro which then worsens the situation further.

    Stamcro which uses Mortal Coil that's what makes it very good at duels. Thanks to Mortal Coil, Stamcro can control the fight. It will be very difficult for you to kill such a Stamcro, even with the Defile removed. This can be called a permanent bonus for healing and allows you to survive until the next click of Vigor. My Mortal Coil restores 23k health in 12 seconds with just one buff - Major Brutality. Because Mortal Coil takes the highest attacking indicator and Stam builds high WD. I tried to explain this to you. in this situation, Stamcro doesn't even need its own Major Protection, although this is his only buff.
    P. S. We can't even imagine what will happen in small scale and groupe battles without Defile. When Wardens and Necro with Mortal Coil appear everywhere. My opinion is that you started your crusade on the wrong side.
    Edited by OrderoftheDarkness on 8 February 2020 09:51
  • BohnT2
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    BohnT2 wrote: »
    Axx_Xa wrote: »
    You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.

    Yes and this fix will increase the current unreliable uptime on major defile, that can happen to be less than 10% in a longer fight and is almost never above 50% even in duels, to an almost 100% uptime in any scenario.

    Right now on Pc EU stamnecro is already one of the best if not the best duel spec because you can get major defile with an acceptable uptime along with other factors.

    But with a 100% uptime the lethality and viability of the class skyrockets well above any competitor.

    This means the whole PvP side will be centralized around stamnecro and that only comes down due to its access to a high major defile uptime.

    The result of this is that everyone without major defile has to play a lot more tanky to not be cannon fodder for stamnecros but by doing so they also prevent every other spec from killing them while they can't kill anything either.
    So this leave people playing even more tanky or people rolling stamnecro which then worsens the situation further.

    Stamcro which uses Mortal Coil that's what makes it very good at duels. Thanks to Mortal Coil, Stamcro can control the fight. It will be very difficult for you to kill such a Stamcro, even with the Defile removed. This can be called a permanent bonus for healing and allows you to survive until the next click of Vigor. My Mortal Coil restores 23k health in 12 seconds with just one buff - Major Brutality. Because Mortal Coil takes the highest attacking indicator and Stam builds high WD. I tried to explain this to you. in this situation, Stamcro doesn't even need its own Major Protection, although this is his only buff.
    P. S. We can't even imagine what will happen in small scale and groupe battles without Defile. When Wardens and Necro with Mortal Coil appear everywhere. My opinion is that you started your crusade on the wrong side.

    Specs being naturally tanky is an issue that is only bad for the game when the tanky specs can easily kill others, which for stamnecro mainly comes from access to major defile and for most stamina specs onslaught which takes away a huge part of opportunity cost as penetration investments can be replaced by a good 2h ult uptime.

    As explained in another thread of mine, the lack of consistent offensive along with high health pools is a much bigger issue than the strong heals.
    But this is not the topic of this thread so please refrain from derailing this post.
  • OrderoftheDarkness
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    BohnT2 wrote: »
    BohnT2 wrote: »
    Axx_Xa wrote: »
    You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.

    Yes and this fix will increase the current unreliable uptime on major defile, that can happen to be less than 10% in a longer fight and is almost never above 50% even in duels, to an almost 100% uptime in any scenario.

    Right now on Pc EU stamnecro is already one of the best if not the best duel spec because you can get major defile with an acceptable uptime along with other factors.

    But with a 100% uptime the lethality and viability of the class skyrockets well above any competitor.

    This means the whole PvP side will be centralized around stamnecro and that only comes down due to its access to a high major defile uptime.

    The result of this is that everyone without major defile has to play a lot more tanky to not be cannon fodder for stamnecros but by doing so they also prevent every other spec from killing them while they can't kill anything either.
    So this leave people playing even more tanky or people rolling stamnecro which then worsens the situation further.

    Stamcro which uses Mortal Coil that's what makes it very good at duels. Thanks to Mortal Coil, Stamcro can control the fight. It will be very difficult for you to kill such a Stamcro, even with the Defile removed. This can be called a permanent bonus for healing and allows you to survive until the next click of Vigor. My Mortal Coil restores 23k health in 12 seconds with just one buff - Major Brutality. Because Mortal Coil takes the highest attacking indicator and Stam builds high WD. I tried to explain this to you. in this situation, Stamcro doesn't even need its own Major Protection, although this is his only buff.
    P. S. We can't even imagine what will happen in small scale and groupe battles without Defile. When Wardens and Necro with Mortal Coil appear everywhere. My opinion is that you started your crusade on the wrong side.

    Specs being naturally tanky is an issue that is only bad for the game when the tanky specs can easily kill others, which for stamnecro mainly comes from access to major defile and for most stamina specs onslaught which takes away a huge part of opportunity cost as penetration investments can be replaced by a good 2h ult uptime.

    As explained in another thread of mine, the lack of consistent offensive along with high health pools is a much bigger issue than the strong heals.
    But this is not the topic of this thread so please refrain from derailing this post.

    Ok we just speak different languages. Just understand one simple thing while I choose Mortal Coil instead of Deaden Pain or Siphon this is the problem, but this is the problem of the whole game and no removal of Defile will help this. I would not say that my choice is related to high health pool.
    Edited by OrderoftheDarkness on 8 February 2020 15:48
  • OrderoftheDarkness
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    repeat sry
    Edited by OrderoftheDarkness on 8 February 2020 15:49
  • universal_wrath
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    BohnT2 wrote: »
    If you feel that you are missing the ability to use Defile please pay attention to sets such as Ward of Cyrodiil, Durok's Bane.

    Read the second paragraph again.
    It says "a now reliable skill offering 100% uptime of major defile"

    Neither ward of cyrodiil or duroks can do that.

    In this case, this is a feature of Stamcro.

    Major defile was a feature of stamblade, it did not end well for them.
  • universal_wrath
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    StShoot wrote: »
    BohnT2 wrote: »
    BohnT2 wrote: »
    If you feel that you are missing the ability to use Defile please pay attention to sets such as Ward of Cyrodiil, Durok's Bane.

    Read the second paragraph again.
    It says "a now reliable skill offering 100% uptime of major defile"

    Neither ward of cyrodiil or duroks can do that.

    In this case, this is a feature of Stamcro.

    And it is unhealthy for the game and as explained above negatively influences the game for every other class directly and indirectly and this would be the case no matter which spec had access to high major defile.

    You associate the defile problem with 100% uptime. You do not suggest how to solve the problem with 100% uptime. Requests for nerf without offering a solution are unhealthy for the game as a whole.

    Well zos nerfed every other abillity and set that had acces to a high defile uptime ...
    Tbh defile is only good in Xv1 or duells, it make it even easyer for a group to chase down a solo player. It wont help solo players since the crosshealing is still to high.

    I dont think that the stamcro is in a bad spot atm, even with the malfunctioning blastbones (well magcro is another story that class needs some love)

    I agree with you completely. I don't mind changing 100% uptime only for Stamcro, but removing access to Defile from the Lord of the disease is just a complete failure. I decided to try Teso again just because of the role play. My opinion since uptime Defile is out of control on PTS, devs just need to slow down Blastbones only for Stamcro. Maybe after that there will be a new morph for Magcro, when blastbones Stamcro will be slowed down.
    P. S. I also want to add that changing to minor is not an option. This will most likely eliminate the use of Stamcro for bow players.

    Did you know that stamblade was the previouse "lord of the disease" before stamcro showed up? Things did not go well for stamblade after stamcro showed up. Same mistakes are being made. People complained too loud, me included, when incap was doing defile and it is an ultimate so it was taken out. Now you tell me it is fine for spammable ordelayed burst or whatever you want to call a skill that is not ultimate to have 100% uptime major defile. This is mental.
  • OrderoftheDarkness
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    StShoot wrote: »
    BohnT2 wrote: »
    BohnT2 wrote: »
    If you feel that you are missing the ability to use Defile please pay attention to sets such as Ward of Cyrodiil, Durok's Bane.

    Read the second paragraph again.
    It says "a now reliable skill offering 100% uptime of major defile"

    Neither ward of cyrodiil or duroks can do that.

    In this case, this is a feature of Stamcro.

    And it is unhealthy for the game and as explained above negatively influences the game for every other class directly and indirectly and this would be the case no matter which spec had access to high major defile.

    You associate the defile problem with 100% uptime. You do not suggest how to solve the problem with 100% uptime. Requests for nerf without offering a solution are unhealthy for the game as a whole.

    Well zos nerfed every other abillity and set that had acces to a high defile uptime ...
    Tbh defile is only good in Xv1 or duells, it make it even easyer for a group to chase down a solo player. It wont help solo players since the crosshealing is still to high.

    I dont think that the stamcro is in a bad spot atm, even with the malfunctioning blastbones (well magcro is another story that class needs some love)

    I agree with you completely. I don't mind changing 100% uptime only for Stamcro, but removing access to Defile from the Lord of the disease is just a complete failure. I decided to try Teso again just because of the role play. My opinion since uptime Defile is out of control on PTS, devs just need to slow down Blastbones only for Stamcro. Maybe after that there will be a new morph for Magcro, when blastbones Stamcro will be slowed down.
    P. S. I also want to add that changing to minor is not an option. This will most likely eliminate the use of Stamcro for bow players.

    Did you know that stamblade was the previouse "lord of the disease" before stamcro showed up? Things did not go well for stamblade after stamcro showed up. Same mistakes are being made. People complained too loud, me included, when incap was doing defile and it is an ultimate so it was taken out. Now you tell me it is fine for spammable ordelayed burst or whatever you want to call a skill that is not ultimate to have 100% uptime major defile. This is mental.

    Yes, I know, and it was very stupid. Assassin associated with blood magic and cloak had disease damage... This is equivalent to having a Defile on Reverb. This will continue if devs use the old mechanics and implement them into new classes, without expanding the base of damage types with new effects. For example, devs still doesn't have any ideas for using Major lifesteal and etc. Creating new buffs/debuffs and types of damage this is the way for developers to go, so as not to go to a dead end. The old mechanics will soon begin to run out.

    P. S. I agree with you and sympathize with your pain. Because I know that disease damage was someone else's piece of cake. I even tried to create themes for introducing new damage types with new effects. Judging by the activity, it was not interesting to people. Much more interesting topics about nerf...
    I'm already tired of answering that the problem with uptime is quietly solved without deleting defile... It is enough to slow down blastbones in summon time for example + 0.5 sec, it is not even necessary to go back to the old geo data.
    Edited by OrderoftheDarkness on 9 February 2020 13:22
  • Abyssmol
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    StShoot wrote: »
    BohnT2 wrote: »
    BohnT2 wrote: »
    If you feel that you are missing the ability to use Defile please pay attention to sets such as Ward of Cyrodiil, Durok's Bane.

    Read the second paragraph again.
    It says "a now reliable skill offering 100% uptime of major defile"

    Neither ward of cyrodiil or duroks can do that.

    In this case, this is a feature of Stamcro.

    And it is unhealthy for the game and as explained above negatively influences the game for every other class directly and indirectly and this would be the case no matter which spec had access to high major defile.

    You associate the defile problem with 100% uptime. You do not suggest how to solve the problem with 100% uptime. Requests for nerf without offering a solution are unhealthy for the game as a whole.

    Well zos nerfed every other abillity and set that had acces to a high defile uptime ...
    Tbh defile is only good in Xv1 or duells, it make it even easyer for a group to chase down a solo player. It wont help solo players since the crosshealing is still to high.

    I dont think that the stamcro is in a bad spot atm, even with the malfunctioning blastbones (well magcro is another story that class needs some love)

    I agree with you completely. I don't mind changing 100% uptime only for Stamcro, but removing access to Defile from the Lord of the disease is just a complete failure. I decided to try Teso again just because of the role play. My opinion since uptime Defile is out of control on PTS, devs just need to slow down Blastbones only for Stamcro. Maybe after that there will be a new morph for Magcro, when blastbones Stamcro will be slowed down.
    P. S. I also want to add that changing to minor is not an option. This will most likely eliminate the use of Stamcro for bow players.

    "...but removing access to Defile from the Lord of the disease is just a complete failure..."

    Class identity is a myth in this game. I would say the same - "remove access to major Mending from the Lord of the Healing (Templar) is just a complete failure." And here we are...
  • olsborg
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    Major defile shouldnt have 100% uptime, it should be tied to an ultimate. Or the sacrifice of a 5piece set bonus (thats not even 100% uptime atm)

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  • Czekoludek
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    At this point I have the feeling that devs nerfed all classes so almighty necros will looks like gods compared to the rest. Necro already is the best in PvE, for almost a year with no competition from other classes at all. Maybe it's time to tell devs that having class that is SO much stronger then others behind a paywall is a little **** move to do
  • ecru
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    Icky wrote: »
    So if they are applying major defile with a 100% up time just purge it every time. Problem solved, heck that was easy.

    yeah lol just purge every 3 seconds, no big deal tbh
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  • katorga
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    ecru wrote: »
    Icky wrote: »
    So if they are applying major defile with a 100% up time just purge it every time. Problem solved, heck that was easy.

    yeah lol just purge every 3 seconds, no big deal tbh

    There's a set for that next patch.
  • SenpaiNFT
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    katorga wrote: »
    ecru wrote: »
    Icky wrote: »
    So if they are applying major defile with a 100% up time just purge it every time. Problem solved, heck that was easy.

    yeah lol just purge every 3 seconds, no big deal tbh

    There's a set for that next patch.

    yeah lol put on a set to counter one class, no big deal tbh
  • BohnT2
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    SenpaiNFT wrote: »
    katorga wrote: »
    ecru wrote: »
    Icky wrote: »
    So if they are applying major defile with a 100% up time just purge it every time. Problem solved, heck that was easy.

    yeah lol just purge every 3 seconds, no big deal tbh

    There's a set for that next patch.

    yeah lol put on a set to counter one class, no big deal tbh

    Well you won't meet anything other than stamnecros anyway
    10/10 patch would reroll stamnecro again
  • Moonsorrow
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    BohnT2 wrote: »
    SenpaiNFT wrote: »
    katorga wrote: »
    ecru wrote: »
    Icky wrote: »
    So if they are applying major defile with a 100% up time just purge it every time. Problem solved, heck that was easy.

    yeah lol just purge every 3 seconds, no big deal tbh

    There's a set for that next patch.

    yeah lol put on a set to counter one class, no big deal tbh

    Well you won't meet anything other than stamnecros anyway
    10/10 patch would reroll stamnecro again

    Well, gonna be a lot of them and Templars, since they have the tool kit to fight Necros. Really bursty Onslaught Stamplars as an example can KO Stamcros without ending up on a long battle that slowly turns it into Stamcro favor against most others due to constant pressure attached to a high damage delayed skill for burst comboing, without having to do same kind of sacrifices as other classes for it.

    For many classes/specs there is not even possible to do such sacrifices to gain that kind of pressure tool AND burst at the same time.

    I will play mostly on my trusty Magblade though.. maybe some Stamsorc action too, gonna be a bit rough against good Stamcros though with Stammysorc

    *Ceiling Magblade is watching FOTM Stamcro players mast.. uhh, i mean watching them Perma Major Defile everyone*

    As a Magblade (i identify myself as a Magblade in real life, even i play all classes at ESO lol) i can only ask one question: WHY is my Major Defile on a melee short range Ultimate Skill that has a clunky CAST-TIME and is dodgeable??

    While Stamcro has it free attached on a cheap high-damage RANGED AoE normal skill that shoots into enemies like a Nuclear Missile that looks like a skeleton?

    HOW is that balanced in any logical way?

    ZOS i am very much disappointed on the latest/last notes.

    If this is how we go the next months until summer atleast, oh joy./s

    Play how you want(tm) - as long as it`s Stamcro you are gonna be playing. :D

    Edited by Moonsorrow on 11 February 2020 13:09
  • usmguy1234
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    Axx_Xa wrote: »
    You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.

    Yeah and zos specifically said that 100% uptime on defile was too strong and yeeted everything- skill or armor that gave 100% defile uptime. While on the same hand giving 100% defile uptime to necro but luckily for us the skill came out borked. That being said, the intention of giving necro 100% defile uptime flies directly in the face to what zos told everyone. Interpret that as you may but it seems to me to be nothing but an underhanded money grab. Now that blastbones has 100% defile uptime, everyone will see how op this class truly is.
    Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
    Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
    Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
    Eirius- Altmer Magdk
    Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar

    Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.

  • Czekoludek
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    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Axx_Xa wrote: »
    You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.

    Yeah and zos specifically said that 100% uptime on defile was too strong and yeeted everything- skill or armor that gave 100% defile uptime. While on the same hand giving 100% defile uptime to necro but luckily for us the skill came out borked. That being said, the intention of giving necro 100% defile uptime flies directly in the face to what zos told everyone. Interpret that as you may but it seems to me to be nothing but an underhanded money grab. Now that blastbones has 100% defile uptime, everyone will see how op this class truly is.

    Every nerfs were justified because your chars, skills and sets were too powerful*

    *Unless we are speaking about content from new dlc, pls but elsweyr for necro (totally not p2w and stupidly broken in terms of raw power and group utility), buy new dungeon dlc for pseudo-iceheart
  • usmguy1234
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    Czekoludek wrote: »
    usmguy1234 wrote: »
    Axx_Xa wrote: »
    You guys know that Major Defile is already on BB on live right ? it’s just a fix to reliability of BB.

    Yeah and zos specifically said that 100% uptime on defile was too strong and yeeted everything- skill or armor that gave 100% defile uptime. While on the same hand giving 100% defile uptime to necro but luckily for us the skill came out borked. That being said, the intention of giving necro 100% defile uptime flies directly in the face to what zos told everyone. Interpret that as you may but it seems to me to be nothing but an underhanded money grab. Now that blastbones has 100% defile uptime, everyone will see how op this class truly is.

    Every nerfs were justified because your chars, skills and sets were too powerful*

    *Unless we are speaking about content from new dlc, pls but elsweyr for necro (totally not p2w and stupidly broken in terms of raw power and group utility), buy new dungeon dlc for pseudo-iceheart

    😂
    Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
    Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
    Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
    Eirius- Altmer Magdk
    Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar

    Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.

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