You can keep giving me official forum warnings

svartorn
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But I want to hear ZOS devs explain their rationale for why they removed group queue from a group pvp activity.

Go ahead and ban me, I guess.
  • Lucious90
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    Im curious about this myself Bgs was a great break from Cyro or a nice filler when I got booted from Cyro for performance issues and now I cant group with friends
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    Naturegoat - Stam Warden
    Healgoat- Mag temp
    Staticgoat- Stam Sorc
  • svartorn
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    Exactly. They are actively discouraging people from playing with friends now. IN A MMO.

    What the hell, ZOS?
  • WildRaptorX
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    People without organised groups complained as matches were unfair. Obviously the team that grouped together and talks by chat or headsets etc have a huge advantage.

    It was made my player complaints but maybe they’ll add solo battlegrounds and also grouped battle grounds
  • svartorn
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    Keylun wrote: »
    People without organised groups complained as matches were unfair. Obviously the team that grouped together and talks by chat or headsets etc have a huge advantage.

    It was made my player complaints but maybe they’ll add solo battlegrounds and also grouped battle grounds

    So then the obvious solution is make two separate queues, one for group play and one for solo play.

    What is so difficult about this?
  • daemonios
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    While I think a better solution might have been separate solo and premade group queues, it's not that hard to imagine possible reasons for the decision. If you need to get yourself banned to ask for an official response, I think you should have different priorities in your life :p
  • January1171
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    The devs explained it

    "This is a big change to Battlegrounds matchmaking which we are executing partially in response to player feedback and partially as an experiment. We recognize the change will prevent players from being able to reliably team up with friends in Battlegrounds, but it should also improve both the speed of matchmaking and the competitiveness of PvP matches. As part of the change, we are resetting the matchmaking rating (MMR) of all players, so going forward, the system more properly evaluates individuals based on their performance in the solo queue. We’ll be closely monitoring both player feedback and the impact of these changes on the system."
  • January1171
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    It's not permanent. It's an experiment to test mmr and matchmaking with real players. That's exactly the point of the pts- to publicly test things.
  • roflcopter
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    Quoted post has been removed.

    I felt the same way when Battlegrounds was released without a CP option.
    Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on 21 January 2020 21:25
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    GM - OK LOL
    Warden Stuff
    Ex - Trials Core 1 Runner - Left and couldn't be happier
  • Donny_Vito
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    Hold on, this new implementation is still in PTS right? And PTS is still in Week 1....
  • L_Nici
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    If you want group PvP you can go to cyro at any given time. That BGs finally are solo only is brilliant. No Premade groups anymore that steamroll 2 random Groups. That destroys the fun for 2/3 of the players. As long as ZOS has no system that only let groups fight against groups it is better that way.
    Edited by L_Nici on 21 January 2020 20:26
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  • Skorro
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    It's an MMO, they should give 2 options for queues. Let people play as they want - with friends or solo
  • roflcopter
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    Skorro wrote: »
    It's an MMO, they should give 2 options for queues. Let people play as they want - with friends or solo

    and with CP!
    Xbox One | NA | AD
    GM - OK LOL
    Warden Stuff
    Ex - Trials Core 1 Runner - Left and couldn't be happier
  • Lucious90
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    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    Hold on, this new implementation is still in PTS right? And PTS is still in Week 1....

    Even so this is the player feed back, not a fan of it by any means and whats the trade off of not being able to group with friends? Will MMR matter now? Will I get gear outside of the rewards of the worthy?
    Xbox/NA
    Naturegoat - Stam Warden
    Healgoat- Mag temp
    Staticgoat- Stam Sorc
  • svartorn
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    roflcopter wrote: »
    Quoted post has been removed.

    I felt the same way when Battlegrounds was released without a CP option.

    Agreed. I hated when they removed CP from BGs, even worse that they said removing CP made the performance improve lmao

    At least I could play with my friends online, though. Nope! Now its completely unorganized randoms every time.
    Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on 21 January 2020 21:28
  • Donny_Vito
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    Lucious90 wrote: »
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    Hold on, this new implementation is still in PTS right? And PTS is still in Week 1....

    Even so this is the player feed back, not a fan of it by any means and whats the trade off of not being able to group with friends? Will MMR matter now? Will I get gear outside of the rewards of the worthy?

    You are right, but honestly the player feedback for new functionality on PTS should be discussed in the PTS category with people who are actually testing, giving feedback, etc.... not people just wanting to cause panic.
  • mav1234
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    It's not permanent. It's an experiment to test mmr and matchmaking with real players. That's exactly the point of the pts- to publicly test things.

    We should be clear that "experiment" is not the same as "temporary." I read what you posted as "We are testing this to see if we want to keep it permanent". In addition, given the uproar, if it was only about the test servers we would have had that confirmed. This is a note about what will happen on the live servers if they decide to go through with it. Might it change in a future patch? Sure, but for now, that is what live servers would experience.

    The more threads on this the better, but I also suggest everyone with an opinion on this visit the PTS forums and weigh in (full disclosure: I started a thread on this because I care quite a bit about making ZOS know how much some of us dislike this change).
    Edited by mav1234 on 21 January 2020 20:36
  • svartorn
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    [snip] I can't even get into Cyrodiil without being put immediately into combat at the gate.

    Edit for bait.
    Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on 21 January 2020 21:35
  • L_Nici
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    @svartorn If you think Cyrodiil is broken and unplayable, you propably play only on Zergling Campaigns like Vivec or Sotha Sil, whatever they are called now. I have no issues in Cyrodiil besides those that are related to broken Tankbuilds thanks to CP.
    It always runs smooth with a Ping of 60-90 at stable 50 FPS.
    [snip]

    And no, ZOS won't remove groups out of Cyro, it is technically an AvA area, it is intended to let groups fight each other.

    Edit for bait.
    Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on 21 January 2020 21:38
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  • svartorn
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    I'm just so flippin' mad.

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    Even Blizzard, a company who pathologically hates fun and ignores the playerbase, still allows group queue battlegrounds - and added bonus rewards and a rating system to it.
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