Yes I have like 60 Honing stones ...So at say 4 a piece each piece of gear ( Yes even at 80% it will fail ) . That's 15 pieces of gear . How long will that last when you want to sell gear or make gear for yourself .

Yes I have the extraction improvement skill .

Not profitable or logical

Narrator wrote: »

All I know is that I have Honing Stones Coming out of my Ears... not sure what this guys issue is.

deacon13 wrote: »

To me Green gear is basic gear .

Thats part of the problem. Green is not normal. White is normal. Green is an upgrade. The difference between green and blue is minimal.

People need to stop thinking of this game like WoW or EQ. In those games, anything non-normal is significantly better. Thats not true in this game...Blue really is only an incremental improvement over Green. Even that is only relevant if you have maxed out your levels...a white level 50 item will still be better than most stuff in the game.

I have never enjoyed crafting in any MMO.

deacon13 wrote: »

White is normal ?

White is normal.

deacon13 wrote: »

How many toons are wearing White gear past level 10?

I was wearing it into my teens.

The main reason I wanted to improve it at all was for looks...consumables have WAY more affect on combat in my experience than improvement stats on gear do.

deacon13 wrote: »

Blue gear is not a small little upgrade over green LOL .
Lets say a set of Blue gear of crafted gear . All tank gear . Reinforced trait and health Enchant . That's 7% more armor just from the Trait in the armor set .

And what is the bonus for green? (Also...traits are a separate thing...you can craft Legendary gear without traits)

deacon13 wrote: »

Gear is numbers .

Exactly...and the numbers going from white to green are not any different than from green to blue. It's completely arbitrary. Why are you picking "green" as normal? It's not. It's an improved version of normal.

deacon13 wrote: »

That's what people who played EQ2 and WoW and Rift and AoC and Vangaurd and SWTOR learn .

Exactly. This game is not like those games. It is not as gear-centric. In this game, gear is a side dish...Skills are the main course. Gear is not an "I Win" button like it is in WoW.

SadisticSavior wrote: »

deacon13 wrote: »

White is normal ?

White is normal.

deacon13 wrote: »

How many toons are wearing White gear past level 10?

I was wearing it into my teens.

The main reason I wanted to improve it at all was for looks...consumables have WAY more affect on combat in my experience than improvement stats on gear do.

deacon13 wrote: »

Blue gear is not a small little upgrade over green LOL .
Lets say a set of Blue gear of crafted gear . All tank gear . Reinforced trait and health Enchant . That's 7% more armor just from the Trait in the armor set .

And what is the bonus for green? (Also...traits are a separate thing...you can craft Legendary gear without traits)

deacon13 wrote: »

Gear is numbers .

Exactly...and the numbers going from white to green are not any different than from green to blue. It's completely arbitrary. Why are you picking "green" as normal? It's not. It's an improved version of normal.

deacon13 wrote: »

That's what people who played EQ2 and WoW and Rift and AoC and Vangaurd and SWTOR learn .

Exactly. This game is not like those games. It is not as gear-centric. In this game, gear is a side dish...Skills are the main course. Gear is not an "I Win" button like it is in WoW.


Do you seriously don't get it or are you trolling ?
There is a 7% increase to the ARMOR from green to blue set with both having the same trait and would assume for every tier of armor with the Reinforcement trait . As I cant make Purple or Yellow I cant confirm that . That's just from that trait !!!! In just that 7 pieces of gear !!!!! That would be a 14 % armor upgrade from white to blue .

If you are wearing white gear that's your choice ! Its isn't normal tho .

With 4 of the crafting classes making just gear and gear upgrades . 99% all the quest Ive done rewarding gold and or gear not vanity items I would say this game is very gear - centric .

I personaly didn't care for WoW . I tried it , leveled to max and left . It however is the best selling game of ALL TIME . Then people talk about it like its trash LOL

deacon13 wrote: »

After leveling Enchanting to level 7 . I have found that any recipes I make or deconstruct give very very little XP . Then I find that most of the gear that I try to enchant cant be enchanted or overwrites a existing enchantment . I harvest on Aurdion and 1 out of 30 nodes I find are actual Runes so When I get to Grahtwood 1 out of 50 nodes are Runes . So I look at the Forums and start reading and find Im not the only one . ( yes I have the extended sight skill . and the worthless hireling )
So I tried Blacksmithing . Roll a new toon . Start messing around Im like heck this aint bad 10 times more harvest nodes . You know what you are gonna craft from the get go . So Im going to Craft me a set of Green plate armor . I refine 10 STACKS of Iron Ore . I get enough Green temper to do 3 pieces of armor ... 10 STACKS = 3 Pieces or Green armor ... No BLUE PURPLE or Gold tempers just Green tempers . If you average 4 pieces of Ore per node ( the average is 3 ) that's 250 harvest nodes to make 3 pieces of GREEN armor .

ESO is killing itself .

i was thinking along teh same lines during beta but i just never advanced far enough to see the payoffs clearly.

• as you upgrade the skill line that improves your odds of returning improvement tokens, you will start getting green, blue, etc just from refining your raw ore into ingots.
• deconstructing absolutely everything you loot is important! i have gained the lion's share of my inspiration from deconstructing, not constructing items. the skill line mentioned above helps here as well: at rank 30 i almost always get a green token when i decon.
• even before you take into account item traits (and the armour sets it will eventually unlock) any player created item will be better than an equivalent level/colour dropped item. So far (i am only level 37 adventurer) even named items can be eclipsed by ones crafted and enchanted by players.

so far i've been happy with my progress in the main three (tailor/woodworker/smith) and provisioning was at 50 by the time i was level 15 or so.
alchemy i was putting off since the harvest nodes seemed so rare in the beginning, just passing everything to a designated alchemy mule for safekeeping. I recently started advancing it and was level 14 before i knew it and the inspiration was great! Almost my 1st discovery was a potion that healed magicka and health! There's also potions of speed and invisiblity which made me wish i woulda started alchemy right away!
enchanting has been hell. i have sent every glyph i have ever looted to my enchanter. i have bought keen eye and hirelings on many of my characters. upgraded aspect extraction skill line as best i am able. i watch the inspiration i get from making glyphs (as minimal as it is) and craft only the ones that will give me the best inspiration:aspect ratio. i buy glyphs off of the guild stores. i easily spend more time and money advancing enchanting than anything else. so with all that i must be, like, rank 20 or 25 right? I just hit 14 last night. he has so many green blue glyphs stored up that i had to make another designated mule just to store them until i can find an enchanting partner to trade em. On the other hand, as i roll through the back end of MT i am starting to notice a higher ratio of aspect runes which makes me hope that the ball might really start rolling soon with enchanting. it will be too late to benefit my two mains but the next 6 will reap the benefits.

lichmeister wrote: »

deacon13 wrote: »

After leveling Enchanting to level 7 . I have found that any recipes I make or deconstruct give very very little XP . Then I find that most of the gear that I try to enchant cant be enchanted or overwrites a existing enchantment . I harvest on Aurdion and 1 out of 30 nodes I find are actual Runes so When I get to Grahtwood 1 out of 50 nodes are Runes . So I look at the Forums and start reading and find Im not the only one . ( yes I have the extended sight skill . and the worthless hireling )
So I tried Blacksmithing . Roll a new toon . Start messing around Im like heck this aint bad 10 times more harvest nodes . You know what you are gonna craft from the get go . So Im going to Craft me a set of Green plate armor . I refine 10 STACKS of Iron Ore . I get enough Green temper to do 3 pieces of armor ... 10 STACKS = 3 Pieces or Green armor ... No BLUE PURPLE or Gold tempers just Green tempers . If you average 4 pieces of Ore per node ( the average is 3 ) that's 250 harvest nodes to make 3 pieces of GREEN armor .

ESO is killing itself .

i was thinking along teh same lines during beta but i just never advanced far enough to see the payoffs clearly.

As far as Blacksmithing goes I have a skill point in extraction as I posted earlier . The return of Honing stones is not high enough . From what Ive read all Gear crafting is a hobby until level 50 . Think of it this way . You make one set of Armor every 10 levels That's level 10, 20 , 30 , 40 and 50. At 4 honing stones ( leaving the improvement skill out because I left out making weapons ) ) per piece that's 140 Honing stones . As you know , you can make better sets of armor than every 10 levels . Also been neglecting the Trait items like diamond for example , I think maybe I have gotten 15 of those so when I run out Im gonna have to buy them from somebody . That's 35 of them with the same example . If a blacksmith isn't getting enough material to keep a toon geared or enough to sell and make a profit to justify all those deconstructs the craft is lacking .

SadisticSavior wrote: »

deacon13 wrote: »

Do you seriously don't get it or are you trolling ?

LOL, I was about to ask you the same thing.

deacon13 wrote: »

If you are wearing white gear that's your choice ! Its isn't normal tho .

It is normal in the game dude. If you mean what is average for player characters to be wearing at that level, it's blues, not greens. No one is wearing greens at level 50. Either way you're wrong.

This isn't WoW. It's not a gear-based game, it's a skills based game.

deacon13 wrote: »

I personaly didn't care for WoW . I tried it , leveled to max and left . It however is the best selling game of ALL TIME . Then people talk about it like its trash

McDonalds sells way more food than 5 star restaurants...which do you think serves better food? Your "Argumentum ad populum" argument is therefore retrded.

"Trash" is subjective, but there is clearly a market for games that don't follow the WoW model. And all the criticisms of WoW in this thread are accurate. Why are they not entitled to an opinion?

YEP DOESNT GET IT .
All you are saying is your OPINION !!!!
No NUMBERS !!!!!!
You are the only one that mentioned WoW that I have seen and I called you out on it . If there is some market for non WoW like games name one that's had like 13 MILLON subs .
As far wearing greens at level 50 . GO BACK AND READ IT AGAIN !


I will make sure I tell the healer I grouped with today that the reason she couldn't keep the 600 point health tank alive in Elden Hollow wasn't that his gear sucked it was because she sucked . Because you said it wasn't a gear - centric game

Please don't post again you are making yourself look bad .

deacon13 wrote: »

YEP DOESNT GET IT .
All you are saying is your OPINION !!!!
No NUMBERS !!!!!!

Nerd rage lol

deacon13 wrote: »

You are the only one that mentioned WoW that I have seen and I called you out on it . If there is some market for non WoW like games name one that's had like 13 MILLON subs .

WoW is the McDonalds of MMOs. If that was all that people wanted, games like this would not exist. Eve has been going forever and does not follow the WoW model at all.

deacon13 wrote: »

I will make sure I tell the healer I grouped with today that the reason she couldn't keep the 600 point health tank alive in Elden Hollow wasn't that his gear sucked it was because she sucked .

Which might very well be true. That, or maybe she made poor choices in her skills. It's not proof that it was her gear.

deacon13 wrote: »

Because you said it wasn't a gear - centric game

It's not. I have seen that personally with my own character. Gear makes a difference but is not central...skills matter a lot more.

deacon13 wrote: »

Please don't post again you are making yourself look bad

Will I look better if I use a couple dozen more exclamation points?