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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

Which campaigns are balanced ?

Deadarth
Deadarth
So, I play in Wabbajack right now ... It used to be somewhat fair... reds were a bit behind in points but blues and yellows were very very close ... but now blues are over 15k points ahead of yellows ... right now they control almost 100% of the map and this has been going on for quite a few hours .... So I am thinking of changing campaign and I'm wondering if some are more balanced ... Being dominated by pure number or having to go 2vs1 most of the time is getting very boring.
  • rawne1980b16_ESO
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    They need to merge the 5 empty ones for the EU really.

    The full ones are all balanced, I have my main on Auriels Bow and popped my guest in a couple of others to see....

    But I can't find a decent campaign for my alts. Can't join any of the full ones and the empty ones are now so one sided it's worthless joining them.

    Too many campaigns and not enough players.
  • Deadarth
    Deadarth
    Interesting ... But I'm NA ... I'm still waiting to see if someone can share their knowledge of the campaigns.
  • JeffKnight
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    NA campaign balance switches daily. One day, a campaign might be balanced, but the next it is not. NA-Auriel's Bow is heavily AD-populated, EP is next, with DC on the low end. I am not sure their population controls are working or tweaked correctly, since it seems like the AD can field 4-5 zergs of 50+ and the EP can do 2 or 3, but the DC only gets 1 (albeit, well-organized).

    On weekdays, when the kids are in school, the balance is better. On nights and weekends, it is almost pure-AD.

    In a 3-way campaign, you should get no more than 10-15% above the lowest populated side. This encourages the 2 weaker ones to band together to challenge the one in control. As it is now, everyone but the lowest population alliance, whichever that may be, seems to be able to fight and advance on 2 fronts.
    Edited by JeffKnight on 14 April 2014 00:37
    Officer of Exceptional Legion
    http://www.exceptionallegion.com
    Auriel's Bow - NA
  • Deadarth
    Deadarth
    Well Jeff, that's the thing right now in the campaign I am in, blues and red don't fight all that often and push us together most of the time .. they even did that the other day even though we had no scroll at all... Just wish population were more balanced. :)
  • noskills87
    JeffKnight wrote: »
    NA campaign balance switches daily. One day, a campaign might be balanced, but the next it is not. NA-Auriel's Bow is heavily AD-populated, EP is next, with DC on the low end. I am not sure their population controls are working or tweaked correctly, since it seems like the AD can field 4-5 zergs of 50+ and the EP can do 2 or 3, but the DC only gets 1 (albeit, well-organized).

    On weekdays, when the kids are in school, the balance is better. On nights and weekends, it is almost pure-AD.

    In a 3-way campaign, you should get no more than 10-15% above the lowest populated side. This encourages the 2 weaker ones to band together to challenge the one in control. As it is now, everyone but the lowest population alliance, whichever that may be, seems to be able to fight and advance on 2 fronts.

    This is incorrect. DC has been ahead of EB for most of the game. DC was in first place in points for a while, too. AD definitely controls the map right now, though, and have for a while.

    DC is definitely not that coordinated either. I play as a DC and it's frustrating as hell when we have 2-3 medium-sized zergs doing everything but defending or attacking the main/strategic objective.

    The server does seem pretty well balanced overall, though. AD definitely has the advantage at the moment.
  • RedTalon
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    The Auriel's bow(NA) mainly becomes unbalanced around 3 am EDT and starts correcting itself starting at 3 or four EDT , due to that is when most people sleep/work and AD recently switched what times they are logging in at, once the times for each factions high points become known.
    Edited by RedTalon on 14 April 2014 20:36
  • PsychoticHamster
    I'm in Auriel's Bow and I'd say its fairly balanced. Usually Ad is in the lead, but DC and EP only trail by a couple thousand points, and rarely does any side lose their home keeps.
  • Mobius0
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    AD was great for a while. But now AD suddenly started dominating the after-peak hours.

    Just 2 nights ago, Their pop was locked, and the other 2 were at 2 bars. They were able to hold off a full scale attack from both sides. And they've been taking all the scrolls every night.

    Honesty, I can see the appeal of the raw aspects of it all. But in the end, I can't see it as being healthy for the game. You will have 10 players to every 1 that actually think it's cool. And many might even quit over it. Granted, I personally expected it, and chose DC because I WANT to fight the odds (and have more targets :D)
  • RedTalon
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    Well on the plus side it means killing the zerglings once we take care of rl stuff or sleep, we always push them back once peek hours hit and normal times hit.
  • JeffKnight
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    I'm in Auriel's Bow and I'd say its fairly balanced. Usually Ad is in the lead, but DC and EP only trail by a couple thousand points, and rarely does any side lose their home keeps.

    Except when the EP and AD pound the DC back into their own corner.

    I had to lead a complete 4-keep sweep out of High Rock yesterday. For once, EP and AD continued to fight each other over some scrolls instead of dropping everything to knock us back like they normally do.
    This is incorrect. DC has been ahead of EB for most of the game. DC was in first place in points for a while, too. AD definitely controls the map right now, though, and have for a while.

    DC is definitely not that coordinated either. I play as a DC and it's frustrating as hell when we have 2-3 medium-sized zergs doing everything but defending or attacking the main/strategic objective.

    The server does seem pretty well balanced overall, though. AD definitely has the advantage at the moment.

    Nope, very incorrect. The problem isn't that there is no coordination. There is. Exceptional Legion is generally on and leading the charge, along with a few other guilds that coordinate with us. The issue is that people on our campaign have an obsession with keeps that do us no good like Brindle and go rogue mid-fight instead of keeping the group together and focused on the objective. The only way to fix that is for people to NOT go off and do their own thing.
    Officer of Exceptional Legion
    http://www.exceptionallegion.com
    Auriel's Bow - NA
  • MrDDT
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    JeffKnight wrote: »
    I'm in Auriel's Bow and I'd say its fairly balanced. Usually Ad is in the lead, but DC and EP only trail by a couple thousand points, and rarely does any side lose their home keeps.

    Except when the EP and AD pound the DC back into their own corner.

    I had to lead a complete 4-keep sweep out of High Rock yesterday. For once, EP and AD continued to fight each other over some scrolls instead of dropping everything to knock us back like they normally do.
    This is incorrect. DC has been ahead of EB for most of the game. DC was in first place in points for a while, too. AD definitely controls the map right now, though, and have for a while.

    DC is definitely not that coordinated either. I play as a DC and it's frustrating as hell when we have 2-3 medium-sized zergs doing everything but defending or attacking the main/strategic objective.

    The server does seem pretty well balanced overall, though. AD definitely has the advantage at the moment.

    Nope, very incorrect. The problem isn't that there is no coordination. There is. Exceptional Legion is generally on and leading the charge, along with a few other guilds that coordinate with us. The issue is that people on our campaign have an obsession with keeps that do us no good like Brindle and go rogue mid-fight instead of keeping the group together and focused on the objective. The only way to fix that is for people to NOT go off and do their own thing.

    To the OP
    I believe that AB is the best server for balance, having said that. There is a window (5 hours or so) when AD has 3-5x more than any other faction.
    EP, and DC are very close.
    When AD is near the same levels as DC or EP, they normally get pushed in pretty hard. (Which is how DC got emperor 4 times already!)

    I'm one of the leaders of the top DC guilds on AB (LogoIcon16x16_zpsb6bc5cdc.pngRoyalty GamingLogoIcon16x16_zpsb6bc5cdc.png) and like @JeffKnight‌ is saying there are a good bit of what I like to call traitors to the realm getting groups to attack keeps like Brindle, or Dragonclaw when EP, or AD is 1 keep away from emperor.
    So part of it is controlling the numbers you have, another part is being just over ran with numbers when AD is in it's massive zerg phase.

    Another thing I've noticed is that EP likes to attack DC when AD does, which is a good tactic because AD almost always has more people that any other faction. But it also causes EP and DC to fight a low with low numbers giving AD more of a lead. What really needs to happen is EP and DC need to work better together vs AD until their numbers go down, then fight vs each other again.

    I want to give a shout out to Blade from Exception Legion for doing a great job in trying to run the #DCnation for us. People tend to follow a lot better when Blade is giving direction.
    Edited by MrDDT on 15 April 2014 12:53
  • Deadarth
    Deadarth
    Thank you for your replies people, I will try to go guest in some of those and see if I can find anything ... I'm so sick of Wabbajack ... Yesterday, all people did was attack red while blue is owning about everything, in peoples mind it's like... Yeah, let's attack red because they are fighting blue, why don't they get that the two under dog should be working together... We used to be about 5000 points over reds, blues and yellows were just about equal, now blues are about 20k points ahead and reds are about equal with yellows now ... so sad !
  • Mobius0
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    JeffKnight wrote: »
    Nope, very incorrect. The problem isn't that there is no coordination. There is. Exceptional Legion is generally on and leading the charge, along with a few other guilds that coordinate with us. The issue is that people on our campaign have an obsession with keeps that do us no good like Brindle and go rogue mid-fight instead of keeping the group together and focused on the objective. The only way to fix that is for people to NOT go off and do their own thing.

    Hey now! I go rogue almost always now, but I'm always coordinating with the objectives, though! If we're attacking a keep, I post myself between that keep, and the enemy's spawn keep, to kill off their reinforcements. I stopped rolling with Blade, because the stealth mechanics in a raid group are just plain horrific.

    I also try to give scouting information, if I see anything relevant happening that needs to be mentioned.

    But I agree about the Brindle thing. That always drives me crazy! I had a shot at emperor for a couple days, and those damn keeps killed our chances a couple times, when we had a good shot at controlling all 6 emperor keeps. Too bad I had to go back to work, and so all my emperor hopes and dreams went out the window... :P

    I must admit, though - I thought we'd have more backing by PvP guilds. But either they are doing their own thing, or they are still grinding to VR10. Either way, it's mostly EL that is coordinating things (Thus why I joined them.).

    EDIT: Is it just me, or does DC do PvE waaaay less on Ariel's Bow? In my quest to get the skyshards, I run into someone from EP or AD in almost every dungeon, but I very rarely see anyone from DC. Even in dungeons in our territory, I see more enemies than allies!

    The only place I tend to see people from DC, is Bruma.
    Edited by Mobius0 on 15 April 2014 18:51
  • OtarTheMad
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    I know that the my home campaign (Chrysamere) is completely dominated by Daggerfall Covenant, and has been since the first week of early release. My alliance, Aldmeri Dominion, sometimes claims some keeps and once it was almost even but then DC just took over again and we and the Ebonheart Pact basically have nothing in the campaign.

    I think if they made the campaigns shorter it would help because most of the players that were fighting in my campaign left for another or just stopped playing PvP so if they made the campaigns shorter not many people would leave the campaign they chose or just quit PvP altogether.

    Merging some empty campaigns would not be an entirely bad idea either except that it might cause some lag issues but really not a bad idea.
  • Marstar
    Marstar
    I don't know what all the brewha is about .... AB needs the DC and EB Guilds from the Oce/SEA region to show a bit more backbone. You were putting up adequate resistance until we crowned M A K I Emperor.



  • Mobius0
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    I think a lot of it was people from peak-hour time zones staying up super late.

    Now that the excitement of game release is waning, people are going back to sleeping like normal human beings.
  • Deadarth
    Deadarth
    Mobius0 wrote: »
    I think a lot of it was people from peak-hour time zones staying up super late.

    Now that the excitement of game release is waning, people are going back to sleeping like normal human beings.

    The thing is a lot of people in mmo don't sleep normal hours ... Those no life people ... They don't seem to understand that even if you go sleep at like midnight instead of 6 am you still get to play as many hours, haha.

  • Infraction
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    Deadarth wrote: »
    Thank you for your replies people, I will try to go guest in some of those and see if I can find anything ... I'm so sick of Wabbajack ... Yesterday, all people did was attack red while blue is owning about everything, in peoples mind it's like... Yeah, let's attack red because they are fighting blue, why don't they get that the two under dog should be working together... We used to be about 5000 points over reds, blues and yellows were just about equal, now blues are about 20k points ahead and reds are about equal with yellows now ... so sad !

    So its a tactics issue then it sounds like.....

    When AD was dominate during the early access days DC and EP rarely attacked each other and took out the dominate force.

  • beravinprb19_ESO
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    NA servers are a joke. Right now, all of them have 1 bar of population. I am running around the map looking for people to fight. My last kill took me 20 minutes to find. Meanwhile, my allies are trying (and failing) to get enough people together to assault a farm...
    Edited by beravinprb19_ESO on 16 April 2014 12:22
  • LilMcGinley
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    Scourge was decently balanced in terms of numbers until last night. Zerg of 60 AD and EP came out of no where. Largest group we saw before this was 20-25...

    thanks guys...
    Edited by LilMcGinley on 16 April 2014 14:22
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