DrOuttaSight wrote: »

Firstly, shouldn't they be a planned maintenance for this coming Monday?

To Patch fix the Activity Finder option, as it's a key player option to the ESO game?

Patch test the fix on the PTS FIRST before adding the patch to the main game servers.

In-fact Please consider testing ALL patch fixes on the PTS before adding them to the main games servers,
as it would save a lot of player grief, and suicides.

Here is an idea instead of the Undaunted event.
Change the image of the Dragon to Santa's slay, instead of Reindeers pulling the slay, use Indrik's that breath fire or Ice.

Then we get to kill Santa, every day, and the Indrik's.

or

A Witch Finder General Hunt Event.
Beef all the Witches up by making them harder to Kill by 4+ group of players.

Players must be grouped Before they can enter the Witch perimeter to kill the Witches.

Slay Sleigh

I don't think they're actually going to follow the suggestions of the people who are saying, "just give everyone the berry/opal styles/whatever," but just in case I'd like to say that I don't think that's the best way to go about it. I only started playing ESO last quarter. I'm still working on getting the feathers for my onyx indrik (just one more ticket needed), and after that I plan to get the nascent indrik. I was never planning on buying either a pure snow berry or any opal styles. So, if they're just going to give people rewards without an event (which I doubt), the best way to do it would be giving everyone 15 tickets and opening up the impresario so that everyone can buy what they want.

Still no information come on zos how long do you guys need to discuss your options?

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

the updated group finder was never stress tested, in fact it almost shut the game down on the PC EU server for a week after the DLC launch, this should have sent alarm bells ringing to ZOS to maybe not go ahead with the event as planed, almost everyone here on the forum knew the GF was not up to the stress of an event it barley coped with peak time server loads.
there was absolutely no reason at all this should of happened and the fact it was allowed to speaks volumes.

Bingo.

You gotta wonder what kind of management hell ZOS is in where they can publicly display these bumbling incompetencies over and over and OVER again without a complete team restructuring.

People complain about the programmers (who are undoubtedly interns and fresh college grads), but if the upper management is either unaware or doesn't care enough to change course despite every red flag and alarm bell going off, then it reeks of a systemic problem.

Have you seen the SNAFU that is Fallout 76? ZOS just seem to be in the same groove as their sister studio, Bethesda Game Studio. Apparently, this kind of performance/behavior/incompetence is standard practice.

Ultimately, it's up to each of their customers to decide if games run in such a manner are worth paying for.

i would say the spanish inquisition had a happier community..
My yearly ESO plus is about to expire too, just in time i believe lol

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Bekkael wrote: »

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

the updated group finder was never stress tested, in fact it almost shut the game down on the PC EU server for a week after the DLC launch, this should have sent alarm bells ringing to ZOS to maybe not go ahead with the event as planed, almost everyone here on the forum knew the GF was not up to the stress of an event it barley coped with peak time server loads.
there was absolutely no reason at all this should of happened and the fact it was allowed to speaks volumes.

Bingo.

You gotta wonder what kind of management hell ZOS is in where they can publicly display these bumbling incompetencies over and over and OVER again without a complete team restructuring.

People complain about the programmers (who are undoubtedly interns and fresh college grads), but if the upper management is either unaware or doesn't care enough to change course despite every red flag and alarm bell going off, then it reeks of a systemic problem.

Have you seen the SNAFU that is Fallout 76? ZOS just seem to be in the same groove as their sister studio, Bethesda Game Studio. Apparently, this kind of performance/behavior/incompetence is standard practice.

Ultimately, it's up to each of their customers to decide if games run in such a manner are worth paying for.

Given that FO76 adopted the identical monetization scheme as ESO, I think it's safe to say that Zenimax is calling the shots for both studios.

I am not a specialist in corporate bodies but it looks like first came the term ZeniMax and everything else (incl Bethesda) already after that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_Media

Taloros wrote: »

Give them time.

Yes, it was a stupid move to start this event despite the server problems.

But with the number of events this season, nobody will starve or suffer other harm due to one event being cancelled, either temporarily or permanently.

They admitted their mistake by cancelling the event. That's the first step to finding and implementing a solution.

Now, they need time to develop a good solution instead of a quick fix that'll break soon again anyhow.

In your opinion, how many years does a major game studio need to figure out a group finder that finds 4 people to run a dungeon?

Midyear Mayhem 2019: canceled due to server performance.
Witchmother's Festival 2019: extended due to server performance.
Undaunted Celebration 2019: canceled due to server performance.

sMuggle wrote: »

Could we get the Impresario enabled at least, so those of us with tickets from witches event can use them? -Thanks!

Seriously. Since we can't stockpile them, this is essentially taking tickets from some players.

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

Midyear Mayhem 2019: canceled due to server performance.
Witchmother's Festival 2019: extended due to server performance.
Undaunted Celebration 2019: canceled due to server performance.

Its just sad because if you look at their social media message from today you could easily apply the same thing to all the other canceled or extended events. ESO just keeps getting worse and worse. And Rich Lambert did not communicate honestly as obviously they're still doing events with broken group finder. I'm sure he has been aware of all the problems the last couple of years. Is he also the one overseeing the people in charge of constantly nerfed combat and gameplay design?

SquawkTheMajestic wrote: »

Taloros wrote: »

Give them time.

Yes, it was a stupid move to start this event despite the server problems.

But with the number of events this season, nobody will starve or suffer other harm due to one event being cancelled, either temporarily or permanently.

They admitted their mistake by cancelling the event. That's the first step to finding and implementing a solution.

Now, they need time to develop a good solution instead of a quick fix that'll break soon again anyhow.

In your opinion, how many years does a major game studio need to figure out a group finder that finds 4 people to run a dungeon?

A major game studio? They can probably get it right the first time.

But ZoS isn't a major game studio. Most of those can usually say they've made more than one game in over a decade.

people gettin antsy. who wants to 20/20 ZOS HQ with me?

Could start with never having the Undaunted event again since it will never work right.

First off, I think the undaunted event was poorly designed just by it's mechanics... Even if the group finder had worked as intended, the event would not have been satisfactory for many folks, it had to many items that dropped from too few mechanics that were determined by the RNG and required a level of play and groups that many may not have had the access to over a very short period of time.

Second, the group finder issues can't really be tested under a load unless that load can be duplicated... I used to write commercial code, I never allowed code to be released that I did not think would work as required... it was also rare that when that code was put in place with a customer the first time that it worked as we thought it would, most of the time because there was information we did not have or could not simulate... so yes, many times the testers and testing was done by our customers, and we also ran into issues with 3rd party programs that interfered with our code in ways we did not and could not have foreseen...

Mt second point is a way to point out that Rich's post above is absolutely true, every event after that post was made they were 100% sure the tools would support it... all the testing they did showed it was true... but when it went live, it failed... so they fixed it again, tested it again, 100% certified again... until it failed again... I am not saying the certification methods were good or bad, I don't know what they were, just that what ever they were could have certified 100% that the system tools would have worked each and every time.

My third and last point is that the development, support and operation of this game costs money, the systems,, the people and all the rest can't operate without substantial income... some comes from those of us that pay the monthly subscription, but for the past few years it has been showed that the subscription model will not generate the required income, hence many of these games that are "Free to play" generate a great deal of income through selling some in-game currency (Crowns, Gems, Coins or what ever) and that in-game currency will allow for those that have the funds to pay for it to get others to furnish items they want (trading their real life money to get in-game items they don't have the time or inclination to acquire from people who have the time to acquire it or from the company... this second model has shown to be much better at producing income then the older subscription model. The Crown store and the monthly subscription pays for the game and all the things done to support the game...

if you want Zos to do more, buy more crowns so they can afford it, if you want them to test more, then get on the PTS when asked and help them test, and when you test and find issues don't expect someone else to report what you see, report it in as thorough report as you can to the people that can use it (as directed by Zos)