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Suggestions for Role-Play Lock
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SweepsAllClowns✭✭✭✭ellahellabella wrote: »...And I'm the ego clown?
Based on your writings yes you're definitely a typical average ego clown, who tries so hard to be somekind of meaningful chat lord. You started quoting me and clearly trying to provoke so let's keep this going clown! You complain defensively too much.0 -
ellahellabella✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
LOL. How gullible are you? These things were all (except perhaps trolling) most common in 7 day. The only campaign zos didn't lock, so we know they're very serious about addressing these issues, right?
That's the part that really gets me about the keep swapping and emp trading argument. Not something that happened on the 30 days but instead on the 7.Try to read everything I write with an Australian accent
PC NA
ZOMBIE DEATH MACHINE
Vanguard
Outcasts
Full faction locks are only further dividing an already dwindling pvp community
Toons:
Ebonheart Pact
Sophis (M. Templar), Lilivah Rallenar (M. Sorcerer), Diakoptês (M. Dragonknight), Pins and Needles (M. Nightblade), Claws-your-Curtains (S. Sorcerer), Raan-Mir-Tah (M Warden), Hezik (S Warden)
Aldmeri Dominion
Sophis-ticated (M. Templar), Tis not easy being Green (S. Dragonknight)
Daggerfall Covernant
Sirius Delatora (M. Nightblade), Ellaberry (S. Templar), Ellabear (pve tank) Claìr De Lune (M. Sorc)3 -
ellahellabella✭✭✭✭✭SweepsAllClowns wrote: »ellahellabella wrote: »...And I'm the ego clown?
Based on your writings yes you're definitely a typical average ego clown, who tries so hard to be somekind of meaningful chat lord. You started quoting me and clearly trying to provoke so let's keep this going clown! You complain defensively too much.
My comments are sarcastic, not egotistical. Egotistical is chatting onself up and putting others down.... much like you're doing.
But this is going nowhere and I have better things to do now. Good day sir.Try to read everything I write with an Australian accent
PC NA
ZOMBIE DEATH MACHINE
Vanguard
Outcasts
Full faction locks are only further dividing an already dwindling pvp community
Toons:
Ebonheart Pact
Sophis (M. Templar), Lilivah Rallenar (M. Sorcerer), Diakoptês (M. Dragonknight), Pins and Needles (M. Nightblade), Claws-your-Curtains (S. Sorcerer), Raan-Mir-Tah (M Warden), Hezik (S Warden)
Aldmeri Dominion
Sophis-ticated (M. Templar), Tis not easy being Green (S. Dragonknight)
Daggerfall Covernant
Sirius Delatora (M. Nightblade), Ellaberry (S. Templar), Ellabear (pve tank) Claìr De Lune (M. Sorc)2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
LOL. How gullible are you? These things were all (except perhaps trolling) most common in 7 day. The only campaign zos didn't lock, so we know they're very serious about addressing these issues, right?
I'm guessing you didnt intend to argue that the best solution to all those problems is to faction lock ALL the campaigns, did you?
Because that was the argument made by a lot of faction lock supporters, who are probably disappointed that ZOS didnt fully commit to stopping abuses like Emp swapping by locking ALL the campaigns. Consistency, go ZOS!
And no, players abusing AP gains by faction swapping was pretty common on the 30 day campaigns, at least on PC/NA, if not quite in the same blatant "let's trade keeps!" manner we sometimes see on the 7 day campaigns.
Honestly, I'm not planning on changing the minds of folks who have their own opinion about whether they like faction locks or not, but ZOS reinstituted it for more reasons than catering to roleplayers. They did it to answer the complaints of dedicated PVPers about repeated instances of bad behavior in Cyrodiil, even if they didnt answer those complaints as well or as fully as they could have if they'd locked all the campaigns.
Don't like faction lock?
Figure out how to deal with the bad behaviors that drove ZOS to consider faction lock a viable response.2 -
SweepsAllClowns✭✭✭✭ellahellabella wrote: »My comments are sarcastic, not egotistical. Egotistical is chatting onself up and putting others down.... much like you're doing.
But this is going nowhere and I have better things to do now. Good day sir.
You are correct this goes nowhere but the typical never ending dumbness, I felt you were putting me down so I react quite fast nowadays and do the same, but yes let's quit the pointless arguing.
Fast few points still about these situations where other player runs away and waits behind whatever for other player to chase, when I don't follow and the other player just waits, then no one takes care of anyone, there's really nothing going on, both know exactly the situation and avoid making mistakes. Also when I've played enough and encountered certain players multiple times, then both players know quite well what to expect from the fight. Sometimes this leads to situation where nothing happens or the other one leaves and searches for some easier target, and now I mean some unplanned 1v1 situation happening somewhere in Cyrodiil. The run, lure, wait, break the line of sight, burst behind tree or whatever, this extremely common strategy works still amazingly well, but the weakness is that someone must start chasing and also wasting resources, they are dependent on other player's actions.
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josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »there are unlocked campaigns if your simply RP'ing you dont need to worry about the AP do you?
Sure, if you want to roleplay with nothing but NPC guards.1 -
ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
I've seen more trolling and scroll swapping since lock.Edited by ThePedge on 9 August 2019 08:152 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
I've seen more trolling and scroll swapping since lock.
Interesting! That's always something that's going to vary by perspective, of course.
Which platform, server, campaign?
I've seen much less on PC/NA Kaal.2 -
Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭ellahellabella wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
LOL. How gullible are you? These things were all (except perhaps trolling) most common in 7 day. The only campaign zos didn't lock, so we know they're very serious about addressing these issues, right?
That's the part that really gets me about the keep swapping and emp trading argument. Not something that happened on the 30 days but instead on the 7.
What? How does this stuff happen on a dead campaign? Isn't that the reason all the people who are opposed to faction locking are also opposed to playing on the 7 day is because its dead? If that is really happening on the 7 day it sounds like a great place to find some good fights with friends.1 -
ellahellabella✭✭✭✭✭ellahellabella wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
LOL. How gullible are you? These things were all (except perhaps trolling) most common in 7 day. The only campaign zos didn't lock, so we know they're very serious about addressing these issues, right?
That's the part that really gets me about the keep swapping and emp trading argument. Not something that happened on the 30 days but instead on the 7.
What? How does this stuff happen on a dead campaign? Isn't that the reason all the people who are opposed to faction locking are also opposed to playing on the 7 day is because its dead? If that is really happening on the 7 day it sounds like a great place to find some good fights with friends.
You want me to stay in a dead campaign for hours out of peak waiting for the 30 minute gap of activity to fight the same 12 people over and over again as they flip their keeps?
How about you make a night out of that and see how much fun that is for you?Try to read everything I write with an Australian accent
PC NA
ZOMBIE DEATH MACHINE
Vanguard
Outcasts
Full faction locks are only further dividing an already dwindling pvp community
Toons:
Ebonheart Pact
Sophis (M. Templar), Lilivah Rallenar (M. Sorcerer), Diakoptês (M. Dragonknight), Pins and Needles (M. Nightblade), Claws-your-Curtains (S. Sorcerer), Raan-Mir-Tah (M Warden), Hezik (S Warden)
Aldmeri Dominion
Sophis-ticated (M. Templar), Tis not easy being Green (S. Dragonknight)
Daggerfall Covernant
Sirius Delatora (M. Nightblade), Ellaberry (S. Templar), Ellabear (pve tank) Claìr De Lune (M. Sorc)2 -
Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭ellahellabella wrote: »ellahellabella wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
LOL. How gullible are you? These things were all (except perhaps trolling) most common in 7 day. The only campaign zos didn't lock, so we know they're very serious about addressing these issues, right?
That's the part that really gets me about the keep swapping and emp trading argument. Not something that happened on the 30 days but instead on the 7.
What? How does this stuff happen on a dead campaign? Isn't that the reason all the people who are opposed to faction locking are also opposed to playing on the 7 day is because its dead? If that is really happening on the 7 day it sounds like a great place to find some good fights with friends.
You want me to stay in a dead campaign for hours out of peak waiting for the 30 minute gap of activity to fight the same 12 people over and over again as they flip their keeps?
How about you make a night out of that and see how much fun that is for you?
My response was to all of the things listed in this quote stream by all participating not just the things you singled out.1 -
AhPook_Is_Here✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'd imagine an easy way to fix this and protect ZoS profits would just be to change the way any race any alliance works to allow you to pick what alliance your character represents each month. Since 1 tam, what else does alliance affect beyond Cyro and imp city?“Whatever.”
-Unknown American1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If it is here to stay we have to compromise.
1. Faction change tokens. To be provided free because you made a drastic game change. Like Wrathstone and races.
2. Have it so we lock into the campaign for a faction, but all of your characters can join that campaign for that faction, despite what faction they are.
Maybe they don't get Alliance Rank XP, but you still earn AP.
1. Zos has very clearly stated this year that they are not interested in offering the ability to change factions. Others have chimed in that Zos also said the faction choice touches many areas so it is not a simple change to offer.
I am not arguing with you on this but stating that Zos made this comment knowing how faction locks would affect us.
2. It defeats most of the purpose of faction locks.
I was not in favor of faction locks to begin with as they have very little effect other than to create an imbalance of the factions more often. It was also pretty dumb to go years without them, then bring them back without any relief. Then again, that is Matt Firors brilliant thinking for us.2 -
ellahellabella✭✭✭✭✭ellahellabella wrote: »ellahellabella wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
LOL. How gullible are you? These things were all (except perhaps trolling) most common in 7 day. The only campaign zos didn't lock, so we know they're very serious about addressing these issues, right?
That's the part that really gets me about the keep swapping and emp trading argument. Not something that happened on the 30 days but instead on the 7.
What? How does this stuff happen on a dead campaign? Isn't that the reason all the people who are opposed to faction locking are also opposed to playing on the 7 day is because its dead? If that is really happening on the 7 day it sounds like a great place to find some good fights with friends.
You want me to stay in a dead campaign for hours out of peak waiting for the 30 minute gap of activity to fight the same 12 people over and over again as they flip their keeps?
How about you make a night out of that and see how much fun that is for you?
My response was to all of the things listed in this quote stream by all participating not just the things you singled out.
Oh soz. I thought that was just directed at me.
The server can have some level of life during n.a. prime but bringing in a small group of friends can kill it real quick.
Shor had more life than this 7 day.
Is it because of locks? Is it because of on going performance issues lowering the population base? (<this most likely) Is it because you can't queue for a PvP server in a PvP server anymore? (I knew a few players that would PvP on shor waiting for their vivec queue to pop.) There is no way to know.
What we do know is it's dead for 80% of the day.Try to read everything I write with an Australian accent
PC NA
ZOMBIE DEATH MACHINE
Vanguard
Outcasts
Full faction locks are only further dividing an already dwindling pvp community
Toons:
Ebonheart Pact
Sophis (M. Templar), Lilivah Rallenar (M. Sorcerer), Diakoptês (M. Dragonknight), Pins and Needles (M. Nightblade), Claws-your-Curtains (S. Sorcerer), Raan-Mir-Tah (M Warden), Hezik (S Warden)
Aldmeri Dominion
Sophis-ticated (M. Templar), Tis not easy being Green (S. Dragonknight)
Daggerfall Covernant
Sirius Delatora (M. Nightblade), Ellaberry (S. Templar), Ellabear (pve tank) Claìr De Lune (M. Sorc)1 -
ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭If it is here to stay we have to compromise.
1. Faction change tokens. To be provided free because you made a drastic game change. Like Wrathstone and races.
2. Have it so we lock into the campaign for a faction, but all of your characters can join that campaign for that faction, despite what faction they are.
Maybe they don't get Alliance Rank XP, but you still earn AP.
1. Zos has very clearly stated this year that they are not interested in offering the ability to change factions. Others have chimed in that Zos also said the faction choice touches many areas so it is not a simple change to offer.
I am not arguing with you on this but stating that Zos made this comment knowing how faction locks would affect us.
2. It defeats most of the purpose of faction locks.
I was not in favor of faction locks to begin with as they have very little effect other than to create an imbalance of the factions more often. It was also pretty dumb to go years without them, then bring them back without any relief. Then again, that is Matt Firors brilliant thinking for us.
1. I don't care if it's simple or not, if this sh!t is here to stay then they need to provide us with something.
2. Why do you think it defeats the purpose? I'll still be fighting for that faction in that campaign with no chance of being on the others. It just means I can play my toons I spent days leveling. Same functionality as now.Edited by ThePedge on 10 August 2019 08:510 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If it is here to stay we have to compromise.
1. Faction change tokens. To be provided free because you made a drastic game change. Like Wrathstone and races.
2. Have it so we lock into the campaign for a faction, but all of your characters can join that campaign for that faction, despite what faction they are.
Maybe they don't get Alliance Rank XP, but you still earn AP.
2. It defeats most of the purpose of faction locks.
Only if the purpose of faction locks is to have people playing less pvp2 -
Tsuriel✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
Nobody is PvPing anymore, I don't know who these people may be.2 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
Nobody is PvPing anymore, I don't know who these people may be.
Maybe on your platform they arent, but the PCNA CP campaign is poplocked every night just like it always is/was. So that's a whole lot of nobodies PvPing every night.Edited by Katahdin on 12 August 2019 14:32Beta tester November 20133 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »there are unlocked campaigns if your simply RP'ing you dont need to worry about the AP do you?
Roleplaying with npcs in a unpopulated campaign ? Fun times!!
I mean we see it everyday on PC/EU. sometimes the NPCs hit harder though
The archer npcs on a level 2 keep...
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ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭The last few days cyro felt so boring.
Even if active it's the same people doing the same thing every day.
Without lock groups could play different toons, play in different places to at least shake it up. Different group members too possibly, it all adds to the flavour of Open-World.
The "War" is bland and they just killed the combat with Scalebreaker.
Edited by ThePedge on 12 August 2019 23:381 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Remove locks. Literally only caters to role players.
And people who like:
Less Bandwagoning
Less trolling
Less emp swapping
Less handing scrolls over to the enemy
Less people abusing swapping to gain AP (ZOS' stated reason for reinstating faction locks)
But yeah, sure, it only caters to roleplayers...
LOL. How gullible are you? These things were all (except perhaps trolling) most common in 7 day. The only campaign zos didn't lock, so we know they're very serious about addressing these issues, right?
I'm guessing you didnt intend to argue that the best solution to all those problems is to faction lock ALL the campaigns, did you?
Maybe in your head I "argued" that. Re-read it. Get back to me if you need it explained to you.0