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Let’s talk balance...

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kaithuzar
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@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam
I have 1 question.

Why does stamina have not 1, but 2 AOE Executes & magicka has 0 ?

Executioner/Reverse Slice &
Steel Tornado/Whirlwind

All I want for Christmas is a magicka AOE Execute.

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  • DPShiro
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    Why would healers need an execute?
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  • Seraphayel
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    Let me bring up my thread again...

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/482604/the-state-of-execute-abilities-and-why-magicka-dps-is-in-need-of-one/p1

    Stamina has 3 active and 1 passive execute on three weapons, two for DW.

    All I want for Christmas (Julfest!) is one Single execute ability for Magicka, but preferably ST.
    Edited by Seraphayel on 15 July 2019 07:53
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  • MartiniDaniels
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    DPShiro wrote: »
    Why would healers need an execute?

    Yep, it only makes sense to balance game around 3 roles - hybrid tank, magicka healer, stamina dps :D
  • VoidParticle
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    kaithuzar wrote: »
    @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam
    I have 1 question.

    Why does stamina have not 1, but 2 AOE Executes & magicka has 0 ?

    Executioner/Reverse Slice &
    Steel Tornado/Whirlwind

    All I want for Christmas is a magicka AOE Execute.

    Mage's Wrath.
  • Chuaznega
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    VoidParticle wrote: »
    kaithuzar wrote: »
    @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam
    I have 1 question.

    Why does stamina have not 1, but 2 AOE Executes & magicka has 0 ?

    Executioner/Reverse Slice &
    Steel Tornado/Whirlwind

    All I want for Christmas is a magicka AOE Execute.

    Mage's Wrath.

    Bad example since that is only for sorcerer, still works tho. But stamina can use those weapon executes on any class.

    The only thing I can think of it is that they dont want to add execute for magicka builds cause they are ranged, and stamina need to be close to the enemy to kill so that is why they have this 'bonus'. I dont know if that makes any sense tho.

    And since they can't (or don't want to) separate PvE from PvP, things can be messy.
    Edited by Chuaznega on 15 July 2019 08:40
  • KingExecration
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    Chuaznega wrote: »
    VoidParticle wrote: »
    kaithuzar wrote: »
    @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam
    I have 1 question.

    Why does stamina have not 1, but 2 AOE Executes & magicka has 0 ?

    Executioner/Reverse Slice &
    Steel Tornado/Whirlwind

    All I want for Christmas is a magicka AOE Execute.

    Mage's Wrath.

    Bad example since that is only for sorcerer, still works tho. But stamina can use those executes on any class.

    It executes one enemy if they are in range and does a little aoe damage. Doesn’t count for the “aoe execute”
  • Chuaznega
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    KingExecration wrote: »
    Chuaznega wrote: »
    VoidParticle wrote: »
    kaithuzar wrote: »
    @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam
    I have 1 question.

    Why does stamina have not 1, but 2 AOE Executes & magicka has 0 ?

    Executioner/Reverse Slice &
    Steel Tornado/Whirlwind

    All I want for Christmas is a magicka AOE Execute.

    Mage's Wrath.

    Bad example since that is only for sorcerer, still works tho. But stamina can use those executes on any class.

    It executes one enemy if they are in range and does a little aoe damage. Doesn’t count for the “aoe execute”

    I guess the amount of bonus dmg it deal with the explosion below 20% health can be considered some sort of execute.
  • Saril_Durzam
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    DPShiro wrote: »
    Why would healers need an execute?

    So true! :D +1
  • Runefang
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    Let's not forget how effective their AOE executes are. I mean even friendly mag dps characters have died to them.
  • biminirwb17_ESO
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    Majicka swords etc and Stamina sticks, let them be changed by special runes. They could be sold in the Crown store so zos would love them.
  • themaddaedra
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    KingExecration wrote: »
    Chuaznega wrote: »
    VoidParticle wrote: »
    kaithuzar wrote: »
    @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam
    I have 1 question.

    Why does stamina have not 1, but 2 AOE Executes & magicka has 0 ?

    Executioner/Reverse Slice &
    Steel Tornado/Whirlwind

    All I want for Christmas is a magicka AOE Execute.

    Mage's Wrath.

    Bad example since that is only for sorcerer, still works tho. But stamina can use those executes on any class.

    It executes one enemy if they are in range and does a little aoe damage. Doesn’t count for the “aoe execute”

    It doesn't even execute one enemy dude Mage's Wrath is a f*king meme lol. Worst execute ever, hits for like 6-7k more than a spammable. They don't make it any stronger because it has a unique use in pvp.
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  • VoidParticle
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    themaddaedra wrote: »

    It doesn't even execute one enemy dude Mage's Wrath is a f*king meme lol. Worst execute ever, hits for like 6-7k more than a spammable. They don't make it any stronger because it has a unique use in pvp.

    Never said it was good. But it is an AOE ranged Magicka execute. It suffers the exact same issue as the 2H execute as well. You have to find the low health enemy for it to work. You can easily hit the nearby mob with full health.

    Honestly AOE executes are cheese anyways, they shouldn't really exist. I don't wanna die in PVP just because the dude next to me was low and I got hit off the bonus damage.

    Steel Tornado I've always associated with zergs. They run out of their hole and you see 20 steel tornadoes run at you.
  • kaithuzar
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    Chuaznega wrote: »
    VoidParticle wrote: »
    kaithuzar wrote: »
    @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam
    I have 1 question.

    Why does stamina have not 1, but 2 AOE Executes & magicka has 0 ?

    Executioner/Reverse Slice &
    Steel Tornado/Whirlwind

    All I want for Christmas is a magicka AOE Execute.

    Mage's Wrath.

    Bad example since that is only for sorcerer, still works tho. But stamina can use those weapon executes on any class.

    The only thing I can think of it is that they dont want to add execute for magicka builds cause they are ranged, and stamina need to be close to the enemy to kill so that is why they have this 'bonus'. I dont know if that makes any sense tho.

    And since they can't (or don't want to) separate PvE from PvP, things can be messy.

    I don’t agree because I argue stamina is “also capable at range (bow)” & I play a magicka melee character.
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  • validifyedneb18_ESO
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    You're not arguing for balance, you're asking for homogenization.
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  • kaithuzar
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    validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »
    You're not arguing for balance, you're asking for homogenization.

    I don’t think you know the difference between the two & even if you did, I doubt many would agree with you.
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  • brandonv516
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    AoE executes are distasteful in general. The idea of adding more (magicka or not) makes me cringe.

    I would be in favor of removing all AoE executes though!
  • Nyladreas
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    kaithuzar wrote: »
    validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »
    You're not arguing for balance, you're asking for homogenization.

    I don’t think you know the difference between the two & even if you did, I doubt many would agree with you.

    I think you got it a bit mixed up. I don't think you know the difference and many wouldn't agree with you.
    Edited by Nyladreas on 19 July 2019 06:29
  • Saril_Durzam
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    To be honest, if i had to talk about balance, i´d talk about DPS, selfhealing, survability, itemization etc... which are right now unbalanced, not precisely... executes.
  • coplannb16_ESO
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    in my book they could remove all executes. its a stupid mechanic. Like, yeah I bring you down to xx% health and then I win. hm, how is that much difference to I bring you down to 0% health ?
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    And at this point just remove all classes and have everyone choose their set of skills. then balance accordingly to skills always used vs. skills never used.
  • Malada
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    No time to talk, no time to stop and check with anyone first, just start making changes.
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