Faction Lock Choice BROKEN!!!

Aurielle · June 2019

Did you do your initial login on your “loser alliance” character? If so, that’s on you. Something to remember for next campaign, unless ZOS decides to change the way it works.

KappaKid83 · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

Did you do your initial login on your “loser alliance” character? If so, that’s on you. Something to remember for next campaign, unless ZOS decides to change the way it works.

Again, it was never stated you would be permanently locked to your faction anywhere in the initial faction lock post, how is that on anyone?

Aurielle · June 2019

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , I sincerely hope you guys don’t listen to the very vocal minority of players who don’t like faction locks. The general consensus seems to be that those of us who are loyal to our alliances and play Cyrodiil as intended are largely in favour of the return of faction locks. There has been MUCH less trolling griefing since the locks were reintroduced. Zone is no longer filled with toxic reds and blues trash talking and trying to flood chat to distract/displace call-outs. I also haven’t seen anyone selling emp and scrolls in zone since the change was implemented either, nor have I seen any reds or blues bragging in chat about how they’ve “bought” the campaign.

Thanks for listening to our concerns about faction hopping and the impact it was having on campaign outcomes.

Aurielle · June 2019

KappaKid83 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Did you do your initial login on your “loser alliance” character? If so, that’s on you. Something to remember for next campaign, unless ZOS decides to change the way it works.

Again, it was never stated you would be permanently locked to your faction anywhere in the initial faction lock post, how is that on anyone?

Seems pretty odd to me that someone would log in on a character they had zero intention of playing that campaign, even without the warning. Erring on the side of caution is always advisable when something new is implemented or reintroduced. If I had any interest in faction hopping, I would have gotten to login screen after the campaign reset, thought to myself “hmm, maybe if I log in to the character I was playing all last campaign I’ll get locked into that faction, since I know home campaigns don’t automatically reset” and would have logged into another character, instead of going “hurr durr, campaigns just reset and I want to switch alliances, lemme log into that character in the loser alliance that I have no intention of supporting this campaign.”

Jam · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , I sincerely hope you guys don’t listen to the very vocal minority of players who don’t like faction locks. The general consensus seems to be that those of us who are loyal to our alliances and play Cyrodiil as intended are largely in favour of the return of faction locks. There has been MUCH less trolling griefing since the locks were reintroduced. Zone is no longer filled with toxic reds and blues trash talking and trying to flood chat to distract/displace call-outs. I also haven’t seen anyone selling emp and scrolls in zone since the change was implemented either, nor have I seen any reds or blues bragging in chat about how they’ve “bought” the campaign.

Thanks for listening to our concerns about faction hopping and the impact it was having on campaign outcomes.

We are not talking about this here... But about change faction is bugged at the end of the campaign. Just... focus !

Osteos · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

KappaKid83 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Did you do your initial login on your “loser alliance” character? If so, that’s on you. Something to remember for next campaign, unless ZOS decides to change the way it works.

Again, it was never stated you would be permanently locked to your faction anywhere in the initial faction lock post, how is that on anyone?

Seems pretty odd to me that someone would log in on a character they had zero intention of playing that campaign, even without the warning. Erring on the side of caution is always advisable when something new is implemented or reintroduced. If I had any interest in faction hopping, I would have gotten to login screen after the campaign reset, thought to myself “hmm, maybe if I log in to the character I was playing all last campaign I’ll get locked into that faction, since I know home campaigns don’t automatically reset” and would have logged into another character, instead of going “hurr durr, campaigns just reset and I want to switch alliances, lemme log into that character in the loser alliance that I have no intention of supporting this campaign.”

Oh Bologna! Players should not have to think 4 steps ahead in what ifs because a game company does not test or fully explain a newly implemented change. I also thought that once the campaign was over people could freely switch in the next campaign without being locked in simply by logging in. I have 14 DC characters, who I pvp on and 1 AD character for pve, I like to log in on the AD to collect the daily rewards so they don't clutter up the inventory of characters I do play. I should be free to log into whom ever I want without it causing an issue for an unrelated process- selecting a campaign.

Its a game. I only PvP for DC but I do not care if people want to switch to a different faction each campaign. They are still pvping and having fun which is what its all about.

KappaKid83 · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

KappaKid83 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Did you do your initial login on your “loser alliance” character? If so, that’s on you. Something to remember for next campaign, unless ZOS decides to change the way it works.

Again, it was never stated you would be permanently locked to your faction anywhere in the initial faction lock post, how is that on anyone?

Seems pretty odd to me that someone would log in on a character they had zero intention of playing that campaign, even without the warning. Erring on the side of caution is always advisable when something new is implemented or reintroduced. If I had any interest in faction hopping, I would have gotten to login screen after the campaign reset, thought to myself “hmm, maybe if I log in to the character I was playing all last campaign I’ll get locked into that faction, since I know home campaigns don’t automatically reset” and would have logged into another character, instead of going “hurr durr, campaigns just reset and I want to switch alliances, lemme log into that character in the loser alliance that I have no intention of supporting this campaign.”

I don't disagree that people should err on the side of caution, especially with ESO, I am more stating that the announcement made it sound/look like every 30 days you could choose which characters you would play in each 30 day campaign. Maybe EP in CP and AD for Non-CP and then next campaign play with your DC friends on CP and EP friends on Non-CP. It is clearly something that was overlooked by the Devs. I also care nothing about switching factions, all of my character are DC, but these "bugs" and "oversights" keep happening all too often and someone has to put their foot down somewhere.

SpacemanSpiff1 · June 2019

therift wrote: »

Auto kick inactive characters from Cyrodiil when camapaign resets.

This is what should happen.

Erelah · June 2019

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

In the meantime would you add a 7 Day no CP that is not faction locked? There may or may not be a muffin basket, assorted nuts basket, with a cheese basket if you do so?

The may or may not makes it not a bribe, unless it does.

barshemm · June 2019

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

It seems to be the same way it was before, right? Just remember the day before the campaign ends to log any characters you have in Cyrodiil anywhere else at the end of your session? Collect your reward the next day, then switch factions? This reminds me of when my parents stopped brushing my teeth for me when I was 4 and made me do it myself. At first I thought that atrocity was unacceptable; then I adapted, and learned to brush my own teeth and the world was right side up again.

Some of us are actively playing in the morning when the campaign flips.

gp1680 · June 2019

valeriiya wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

You guys didn't test this before releasing it, did you?

Is that a rhetorical question? Lol.

ZOS_Ragnar · June 2019

We have removed several comments that were bashing disruptive and not constructive. Please ensure your posts remain civil going forward.

jdamuso · June 2019

Seriosly?

jdamuso · June 2019

im not asking for "pvp my way" its the end of the campaign.. there is no where it say. when you choose this character to join a faction you have to stay there for 60 days. How is this MY fault. and how is this "pvp my way" seriously?

fact is. if i dont like how im being handled by the devs, i dont have to continue paying them.. so what are you saying...

if i am feeling that my account is mis-handled by a dev team, i still have to pay them???

are you sure that you are not taking too many drugs? youre argument makes no sense whatsoever.

if they would like for me to continue paying them, they would not handle my account in such a way.. and you sir.. will not tell me i have to pay for something i do not want.

Now

jdamuso wrote: »

sure sure, you pay for a service. anyone with plus pays for a service, that service isnt pvp "your way" the service is some extra xp, a generous amount of crowns, all dlc, some extra space for some stuff, and an infinite crafting bag. im confused how your service isn't being rendered other than a game dev working on game mechanics to keep people from exploiting faction rewards. we all pay for the same base game, we all pay for the same plus membership, and nowhere in your reoccurring subscription does it say they must provide us pvp our way to make us happy. like honestly stop and think about it, @ZOS_BrianWheeler and his team ARE fixing something, fixing things don't happen the first try.

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jdamuso · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , I sincerely hope you guys don’t listen to the very vocal minority of players who don’t like faction locks. The general consensus seems to be that those of us who are loyal to our alliances and play Cyrodiil as intended are largely in favour of the return of faction locks. There has been MUCH less trolling griefing since the locks were reintroduced. Zone is no longer filled with toxic reds and blues trash talking and trying to flood chat to distract/displace call-outs. I also haven’t seen anyone selling emp and scrolls in zone since the change was implemented either, nor have I seen any reds or blues bragging in chat about how they’ve “bought” the campaign.

Thanks for listening to our concerns about faction hopping and the impact it was having on campaign outcomes.

I agree completely, while im obviously not happy that i could not change factions at the designated time to do so.. is still 100% believe that there should in fact be a faction lock during the campaign.

I have posted suggestions in some other threads regarding this subject the answer is not removing faction lock. but yes it needs to be fixed. The re-locking is un-acceptable and needs to be fixed right away.. the other part needs creative insight.

balancing and making fair play is a heafty challenge in any game,, fact is this behavior is what kills most pvp mmos.. and believe me, i have played and seen the death of dozens upon dozens, the same people that are nay saying, to remove faction locks, and also zerging to one side, and doing other things to "show us how we will pay for faction lock" are the same guys that also say "this game is dead" "do this and it will die" they are the same guys that are killing the game and whining its dieing simultaneously.

But they are not providing any solutions, other than "allow me to hop factions so i can exploit and use this for unfair advantage and terrorize the community"

And i havent met anyone that has ever said "let us give in to terrorism" (as ugly as it sounds to refer to this as terrorism, really it is the perfect word to describe it, and i apologize that the word itself is so sensitive)

Ranger209 · June 2019

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Auto kick inactive characters from Cyrodiil when camapaign resets.

This is what should happen.

I think it should go even further and kick active players, shut down for 5 minutes and reset the map for a new campaign. That way no one is in there that may want to switch after the campaign is over. It should clear all home campaigns and make everyone go through that process again to verify that they are going to get into the campaign they want on the faction that they want. This should happen every campaign cycle.

thisisnotBro · June 2019

@ZOS_RyanM @ZOS_BrianWheeler

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

We have removed several comments that were bashing disruptive and not constructive. Please ensure your posts remain civil going forward.

Let`s adress the real issue here, remaining civil towards the devs.

People locked alliance on the main campaign 30 days ago and probably didn`t enjoy playing there, that`s why they are changing the alliance. It`s not because they want to win or troll. The purpose of the game is to have fun, and if we can`t enjoy another alliance we should be able to change, even if it`s after 30 days.

I checked and around 3k views, 150 posts and over 10 discussions about this issue...

The problem tho, no one told the players that they had to leave the campaign on any character before the reset, we cannot prepare for something we didn`t know about.

I checked and around 3k views, 150 posts and over 10 discussions about this issue, not to mention the players that will be surprised when they log on the weekend to play and realize they can`t change either, not everyone check the forums...

I`m not a programmer and i know it`s probably hard to figure a code to solve this. BUT

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

At least the players need a real answer... @ZOS_BrianWheeler said that the issue is known and "in the future" they will fix it... We are talking about active players that log in everyday and some of them wont do it because of this. We deserve a answer if the "future" means in 24h, 48h, 1 week, 1 month or never... But at least something real.

Please let us know when this will be solved.

JumpmanLane · June 2019

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

Thank you.

JumpmanLane · June 2019

My buddy last night emped in Vivec (or whatever they call it now). I really wish I could have hopped on my AD crafter and helped her all I could.

I hopped on my EP main just so I could be in Cyro when she emped and fought a few of her AD buddies. Unfortunately they wiped on the last Keep. So I eased off. Oh the hate tell me got from my pal “You’re spoiling my emp!”

She got it though. Ugh! Faction locks lol.

ElvenVeil · June 2019

Hello
I made a forum account here, so I could respond to this specific issue. Whether one likes faction lock or not is not super relevant to this issue, but the fact that so many of us cannot even switch faction is an incredible issue, that leaves me more frustrated than any of the countless bugs in the game ever did.

I spent 2-3 weeks preparing chars (leveling new ones, getting undaunted on old ones) so I could play on AD when faction lock reset, and now I am told I have to wait another 30 days so that I maybe can actually play with my friends? That is just beyond unacceptable. I don't want to quit the game but I feel that Zos is actively making sure I cannot play the game.
I understand fixing the general issue maybe take whatever time, but at very least move those of us who have been locked on the wrong side, to the side where we want to play on.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Jam · June 2019

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

Please ensure your posts remain civil going forward.

Please ensure to fix your features in your game going foward.

If at least you could be as effective as suppressing justified complaint messages...

luen79rwb17_ESO · June 2019

This is a sad trend because Cyrodiil PVP is only a matter of which side has the most numbers at this point. I think it's better to just call it PVEP

Bfish22090 · June 2019

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

literally the worst decision you have ever made for PVP in this game. i wont be playing until you revert this atrocious change

Ixilith · June 2019

MrSinister213 wrote: »

Rygonix wrote: »

You have to unassign and leave cyrodiil before the campaign is over, forfeiting any rewards you might have earned at the end. I don't think it's a bug but a cleverly-designed system. If you wish to switch factions why be rewarded for doing so?

Clever mechanic? The game is dead. What benefit does making entering PvP harder help the dwindling community? PC NA is so dead when I logged on, I logged into Cyrodil today because there is never a queue. Since I logged into Cyro I immediately forfeited my right to switch factions at the 30 day mark. Bud its not a clever mechanic, it's ZOS being ZOS.

If the population was dwindling the server issues wouldn’t be there.

The reason there’s server issues is because there’s too many players lmfao. This is a silly argument.

While I’d agree the pvp community isn’t at its Highest at all, the pve community is much larger. Don’t mistake cryodills playerbase being on the lower end for the game dying.

Plenty of people play, plenty of people don’t do cryodill.

Mr_Walker · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , I sincerely hope you guys don’t listen to the very vocal minority of players who don’t like faction locks. The general consensus seems to be that those of us who are loyal to our alliances and play Cyrodiil as intended are largely in favour of the return of faction locks. There has been MUCH less trolling griefing since the locks were reintroduced. Zone is no longer filled with toxic reds and blues trash talking and trying to flood chat to distract/displace call-outs. I also haven’t seen anyone selling emp and scrolls in zone since the change was implemented either, nor have I seen any reds or blues bragging in chat about how they’ve “bought” the campaign.

Thanks for listening to our concerns about faction hopping and the impact it was having on campaign outcomes.

I'm impressed. This is some of the most oleaginous stuff I've ever seen.

I wonder how imbalanced the campaigns are going to be this month....

Mayrael · June 2019

MrSinister213 wrote: »

Rygonix wrote: »

You have to unassign and leave cyrodiil before the campaign is over, forfeiting any rewards you might have earned at the end. I don't think it's a bug but a cleverly-designed system. If you wish to switch factions why be rewarded for doing so?

Clever mechanic? The game is dead. What benefit does making entering PvP harder help the dwindling community? PC NA is so dead when I logged on, I logged into Cyrodil today because there is never a queue. Since I logged into Cyro I immediately forfeited my right to switch factions at the 30 day mark. Bud its not a clever mechanic, it's ZOS being ZOS.

Dead? Few zergs that can be seen every day on both 30d campaigns could disagree.

MrSinister213 · June 2019

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

Couple free crown crates to us PvPers could help ease the outrage of this enormous mistake. Lets say everyone tier 1 next campaign gets a few crown crates. Great idea, look forward to seeing it implemented.

idk · September 2019

@ZOS_BrianWheeler is there an update on this?

idk · October 2019

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Can we get an update on this. It has been 4 months so we can all hope Zos has been able to make some progress on such a major oversight.

Ackwalan · October 2019

idk wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We understand there are some frustrations currently when logging into a character that was previously in a 30-day faction locked campaign, and automatically being re-locked into the same Alliance. In the future, we will be adding some protections against this scenario. Until we’re able to implement that, you should double check your character’s last saved location on the character select panel to help prevent accidental Alliance locking to a Campaign when you want to switch to another Alliance. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Can we get an update on this. It has been 4 months so we can all hope Zos has been able to make some progress on such a major oversight.

It was already done. When a new campaign starts, you have 5 min after logging in to PvP to move that character out of the zone before it locks. There is even a pop up window.