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A plea on Sap Essence

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PS4_ZeColmeia
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As a hybrid since the Pelinal set, dropping major brutality from sap essence is a gigantic hit to this build. In comparison to, as example, warden which has a passive skill that grants of brutality isn't as big of a deal if this change was made (assuming the functionality was previously the same).

Sap Essence is an offensive skill and as such the loss of the bonus is very disproportionate in this setup. Why? Well in the last dlc, and for the foreseeable future, there is no increase to CP. As such, the ability to unlock weapon penetration is impossible to do without gimping your damage in comparison to a single stat player. In order for a hybrid to be pretty on par with a single stat player that cap needs to be around 1200 in CP enabled play.

So again, the original bonuses on sap essence did nothing to overpower that skill to single stat players. The change to the other morph made a great trade off for stam players on either heals or higher damage. This change to sap, without the ever increasing CP cap, gimps the hybrid style for NBs significantly enough to almost 100% make it not worthwhile or pigeon hole it into 1or 2 sets which was the opposite reason you'd go Pelinals in the first place.
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  • Prutton
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    Major Fracture / Breach = 5280
    Minor Fracture / Breach = 1320
    Alkosh = 3010
    Infused Crusher = 2740
    Light Armor (Magicka) = 4884
    Sharpened Weapons (Stamina) = 1376 each
    Piercing (Stamina) = Sharpened/Sharpened: 3098, Nirnhoned/Sharpened = 4474
    Spell Erosion (Magicka) = 966 (Magicka)
    CP to reach 18.2k penetration: 35-36 Piercing (Sharpened/Sharpened), 60-61 Piercing (Nirnhoned/Sharpened) or 9-10 Spell Erosion.

    As you can see, 46 points is enough to get you to max penetration for a hybrid build.
  • Fiktius
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    It's sad that Sap Essence lost brutality bonus too, due pre-Elsweyr Sap did give unique touch to Nightblade Hybrid builds due Sap providing both bonuses:
    This allowed me to make fully functional Nightblade DW + Inferno Hybrid for PvP, without having a need to focus only on buffing weapon damage and scaling spell damage up via Pelinal set.
    However I'm also aware that NB Hybrids are like rare unicorns in this community:
    People are focusing on many other pain points provided during this patch, not so many have time to even think about "what about hybrids?"
    But I do feel you, loosing brutality bonus is pity, even if not many even care about it. :'(


    Edited by Fiktius on 24 April 2019 19:12
  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    Prutton wrote: »
    Major Fracture / Breach = 5280
    Minor Fracture / Breach = 1320
    Alkosh = 3010
    Infused Crusher = 2740
    Light Armor (Magicka) = 4884
    Sharpened Weapons (Stamina) = 1376 each
    Piercing (Stamina) = Sharpened/Sharpened: 3098, Nirnhoned/Sharpened = 4474
    Spell Erosion (Magicka) = 966 (Magicka)
    CP to reach 18.2k penetration: 35-36 Piercing (Sharpened/Sharpened), 60-61 Piercing (Nirnhoned/Sharpened) or 9-10 Spell Erosion.

    As you can see, 46 points is enough to get you to max penetration for a hybrid build.

    +1 insightful but it doesn’t account for anything outside min/maxed groups that won’t invite your hybrid anyway.
  • Rex-Umbra
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    Agree gimped my melee light and heavy attack damage on my MNB since I use melee weapons. Wish they would just make light and heavy attack based on highest stat.
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  • MartiniDaniels
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    Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
    Prutton wrote: »
    Major Fracture / Breach = 5280
    Minor Fracture / Breach = 1320
    Alkosh = 3010
    Infused Crusher = 2740
    Light Armor (Magicka) = 4884
    Sharpened Weapons (Stamina) = 1376 each
    Piercing (Stamina) = Sharpened/Sharpened: 3098, Nirnhoned/Sharpened = 4474
    Spell Erosion (Magicka) = 966 (Magicka)
    CP to reach 18.2k penetration: 35-36 Piercing (Sharpened/Sharpened), 60-61 Piercing (Nirnhoned/Sharpened) or 9-10 Spell Erosion.

    As you can see, 46 points is enough to get you to max penetration for a hybrid build.

    +1 insightful but it doesn’t account for anything outside min/maxed groups that won’t invite your hybrid anyway.

    OP: Omg, what this all has to do with Major brutality?
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    Edited by MartiniDaniels on 24 April 2019 19:06
  • NyassaV
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    TBH I just want sap to get a damage buff and maybe a healing done buff
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    NyassaV wrote: »
    TBH I just want sap to get a damage buff and maybe a healing done buff

    sap did get a huge damage buff, 25%

    my sap went from about 4.5k to this on the pts-

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    also not sure what made zos drop major brutality, the other morph, power extraction, still has it and will probably still give you more damage as that also got a huge buff, 20% more damage- my tooltip for power extraction on the pts-


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    they give this reason-
    Drain Power: Increased the damage of this ability and the Sap Essence morph by 25% to adhere it to our PBAoE damage standards. Ability and Sap Essence now grant Major Sorcery, rather than Brutality, to better represent the scaling mechanisms the skills use.

    with they remove the major brutality from Power Surge on sorc now too? to "better represent the scaling mechanisms the skills use."? or because that skill doesn't actually scale with weapon/spell damage and max stats, will they leave it?
  • Yakidafi
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    @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO they remove major/minor buffs/debuffs because they only want a class to have a maximum of 1 skill that give the same buff/debuff. What they state in the patch notes.
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  • ninjaguyman
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    As a 2h nb, RAT changes could have potentially opened up doors to using dw, s&b, or destro staff. Where in the dw and s&b case brutality would have been covered by sap, since I probably wouldnt run dw's skill for major brutality and s&b doesn't have one. All the while still having a snare purge from RAT. with no major brutality on sap, this leaves either 2h from momentum or just use a destro staff.
    Sure stamina based light attacks will still be weak in comparison, even with major brutality, but there's no reason to close off those possibilities.
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Yakidafi wrote: »
    @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO they remove major/minor buffs/debuffs because they only want a class to have a maximum of 1 skill that give the same buff/debuff. What they state in the patch notes.

    uh? yeah? i am aware of that and i put their reasoning in my post? did you not read it? let me put it again for you.

    they give this reason-
    Drain Power: Increased the damage of this ability and the Sap Essence morph by 25% to adhere it to our PBAoE damage standards. Ability and Sap Essence now grant Major Sorcery, rather than Brutality, to better represent the scaling mechanisms the skills use.

    with they remove the major brutality from Power Surge on sorc now too? to "better represent the scaling mechanisms the skills use."? or because that skill doesn't actually scale with weapon/spell damage and max stats, will they leave it?
    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on 25 April 2019 09:03
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