Maintenance for the week of September 15:
• PC/Mac: NA and EU megaservers for patch maintenance – September 15, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EDT (13:00 UTC)
• Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for patch maintenance – September 16, 6:00AM EDT (10:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EDT (16:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for patch maintenance – September 16, 6:00AM EDT (10:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EDT (16:00 UTC)
• PC/Mac: NA and EU megaservers for patch maintenance – September 15, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EDT (13:00 UTC)
• Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for patch maintenance – September 16, 6:00AM EDT (10:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EDT (16:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for patch maintenance – September 16, 6:00AM EDT (10:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EDT (16:00 UTC)
8 hours maintenance ??
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Nulami✭✭✭Ye_Olde_Crowe wrote: »
Hmm. I'm not sure I have Moon Patrol. Might have to visit eBay....0 -
ItsAra✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »5 years playing this game off and on and still takes a nearly a full day to apply a 100mb patch. Honestly don't think this incompetence would be accepted in any other profession. There has been so many great changes over the years that have brought me back to play each time but this maintenance carry on is still the one that rags me. Shall attempt tomorrow
Any other profession ? What do you mean ?
Is there any other profession outside videogames that require such complex mechanics on a central server ? The video game industry is ahead of everyone else in terms of technical complexity in digital technologies "for the masses". Every company in the video game industry has downtime issues.
I understand that people want to access the service they pay for. But I also understand that, when using such advanced services, sometimes it just doesn't work right away.
And finally, ZOS (like every other video game company) know that players behave like addicts to a certain extent, therefore such downtimes have little impact on their income or market share, and as a result don't invest much into reducing those downtimes.
Profession as in literally any other job out there. Dealing with people's lives for example, if you make an error, you pay for it. Clearly someone has messed something up hence the extension, therefore should be held accountable. If people can't advance along with such "advanced services" then we shouldn't really be using/applying them. All games have downtime I'm fully aware, been playing MMO's for nearly 20 years but for such a small scale patch we have a very long downtime. If it were an expansion etc I would get it, but not a 166mb patch, or whatever size it is.Max CP
Dunmer Dk - Healer
Redguard Nb - Dd
Breton Temp - Healer
High Elf Sorc - Tank
High Elf Warden - Healer2 -
Kittytravel✭✭✭✭✭
Want players to spoon feed you the issues, document with videos so that you feed the software coder to fix. Wrong mindset. I already said, multiple times, pay me 10k crowns for every exploit i show you and game would be much better.
500 Crowns for every exploit and I'd still do it. And maybe the free crowns would make ZOS actually investigate it and fix it in a timely manner instead of releasing yet another crown store item that 80% of players will not purchase due to the intensely high micro transaction cost of Crowns.
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necropola✭✭✭
Please remind me, when was the last time that google, YouTube, Twitch, Twitter or reddit had an 11 hour down time and/or weekly maintenance for several hours?anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »The video game industry is ahead of everyone else in terms of technical complexity in digital technologies "for the masses". Every company in the video game industry has downtime issues.
Does Guild Wars or Guild Wars 2 require a down time to apply patches?
Edited by necropola on 9 April 2019 17:29I am the beginning. The end. The one who is many
PC/MAC-EU, Radeon RX 580 GPU pass through + Win 10 x64 on Linux KVM/QEMU, 100 Mbit/s VDSL3 -
erixtone✭✭✭You think there's a surprise and that's why they aren't giving us more information? I hate surprises.0 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭5 years playing this game off and on and still takes a nearly a full day to apply a 100mb patch. Honestly don't think this incompetence would be accepted in any other profession. There has been so many great changes over the years that have brought me back to play each time but this maintenance carry on is still the one that rags me. Shall attempt tomorrow
Funny thing is...YOU.DON'T.HAVE.TO.ACCEPT.IT... Instead of posting futile QQ posts...just stop playing...stop subscribing...1 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hey guys, we know the extended maintenance is disappointing after an already long day. We ran into a couple issues that we need to resolve before opening. We're working on this as quickly as possible so everyone can log back in. Thanks for your continued patience.
Well, ZOS team may be working hard but maintaining players expectations is important too.
Do not extend timeline as many players in different time zone not able to adjust with extended maintenance.2 -
Kyreanna✭✭I sleep soundly knowing that every single person complaining in this thread and others could up and stop playing the game, and the rest of us would continue on in peace with absolutely no dent in the ESO bottom line. Things would continue just fine without you. Vocal minority, you're not fooling me.
Do you pay Eso Plus every month?
If not, without people like myself, this game would die ...because we spend cash to
keep this game running.
So while I agree there is a lot of complaining , I believe that I , we (all of the playerbase)
are entitled to a quality service , while not asking for perfection, the basics should be covered
and so far ZOS doesnt fix even half the issues bothering all of us..if almost anything at all.
And when you say no dent in the Eso bottom line, you are actually wrong...
The more the paying playerbase dissolves, the more this game will ressemble
EQ or ...well, ZOS could turn things around and do like Aeria Games....
Turn a descent game and lock it behind a cash paywall...
But you are welcome to voice objections, just dont bash a playerbase
that might be keeping Zos' ar@# afloat.
No dinero = no Eso, its that simple.
I do, and have for years. I also spend an inordinate amount of money on crowns and crates - haters will see he's part of the problem.
My point is that, I don't think the people making trolly posts and whining about extending the event and event tickets.. I don't think they are the majority. I think most people see maintenance and just accept it. I think some people view it as reasonable but will still come here for an explanation - which is key I think. This is the one thing I think would help. Regardless if I had to sum up my post in a sentence - if you don't like and cant accept (what has come to be) the reality that is playing this game, you should stop playing. It's not about the money, but even if it was - I truly believe that if the whiners on this forum all stopped paying.. ESO would be just fine. And a lot of people would be way less stressed.
Re explanations - this I think would be helpful.
Why are the patch notes so slim for such a long window? Why was it extended? Are you migrating servers? Let us know! I think that would be helpful.
Much better explanation that I do agree with.
I do believe though , that if no one actually speaks up to ZOS' false promises
nothing will change.
True though, whining aint the option, criticism however should be welcome.
Paying player or not, we are not getting a quality service as of the last few months.
So I guess its actually normal for people to start making a fuss . [perhaps hoping ZOS will actually fix something].
When tickets to support and criticism fails, then you see anger...which pretty much sums
up what is going on in this thread right now.-From dust we are born , to dust we shall return upon death.2 -
Panomania✭✭✭✭I pay money. I don't get the goods in time. This is what is happening now.
Ok, fair enough. But please show me exactly where in the Terms you agreed to when you started playing this game that it guarantees ANY uptime whatsoever. I'd love to see it.
Point is if you have a shred of common sense at all you understand that when you play an MMO you take a risk. Stuff happens, and sometimes you cant log in. ZOS doesnt guarantee you can. At all.
Perhaps you need to find a new hobby and/or stop paying for Plus. And if you dont pay for Plus, what exactly are you talking about? Regardless I dont think MMO's are your thing. I can tell you that after 22 years in MMOs ZOS doesnt do any worse than most of the other MMO's out ATM, and they do a damned sight better than most.The opinions of others should always be heard, especially if they dont agree with your own! But you always reserve the right to laugh at them.3 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS are simply struggling, big time as most of the competent staff have left them
They ran into issues?, Good excuse, there is hundreds of issues/exploits and cheats going on in ESO but when i log back in they are always still present.
Want players to spoon feed you the issues, document with videos so that you feed the software coder to fix. Wrong mindset. I already said, multiple times, pay me 10k crowns for every exploit i show you and game would be much better.
Pay for the game. Subscribe for years and years and somehow the player is expected to pay ZOS for the privilege to document exploits in shabby coding that has little to no QA before releasing. Wrong mindset.
Continued patience?, that ran out around 4 years ago for me @ZOS_GinaBruno
I agree, the playerbase got lazy too by adopting exploits ZOS qualified as "acceptable" mistakes.
Get rid of AC , group proc bombing etc and you'll see a big improvement in the game's overall performance...
But , lets not talk bout bugs and what ZOS cant be bothered to fix..or we will get the undercover
PR hamsters and chimps chastise us for yelling out loud we want a harder game ^^ lol
Getting rid of CP calculations would improve performance probably...but that is another fight for another day...0 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
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Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »5 years playing this game off and on and still takes a nearly a full day to apply a 100mb patch. Honestly don't think this incompetence would be accepted in any other profession. There has been so many great changes over the years that have brought me back to play each time but this maintenance carry on is still the one that rags me. Shall attempt tomorrow
Any other profession ? What do you mean ?
Is there any other profession outside videogames that require such complex mechanics on a central server ? The video game industry is ahead of everyone else in terms of technical complexity in digital technologies "for the masses". Every company in the video game industry has downtime issues.
I understand that people want to access the service they pay for. But I also understand that, when using such advanced services, sometimes it just doesn't work right away.
And finally, ZOS (like every other video game company) know that players behave like addicts to a certain extent, therefore such downtimes have little impact on their income or market share, and as a result don't invest much into reducing those downtimes.
Profession as in literally any other job out there. Dealing with people's lives for example, if you make an error, you pay for it. Clearly someone has messed something up hence the extension, therefore should be held accountable. If people can't advance along with such "advanced services" then we shouldn't really be using/applying them. All games have downtime I'm fully aware, been playing MMO's for nearly 20 years but for such a small scale patch we have a very long downtime. If it were an expansion etc I would get it, but not a 166mb patch, or whatever size it is.
Its a video game...4 -
Kyreanna✭✭ZOS are simply struggling, big time as most of the competent staff have left them
They ran into issues?, Good excuse, there is hundreds of issues/exploits and cheats going on in ESO but when i log back in they are always still present.
Want players to spoon feed you the issues, document with videos so that you feed the software coder to fix. Wrong mindset. I already said, multiple times, pay me 10k crowns for every exploit i show you and game would be much better.
Pay for the game. Subscribe for years and years and somehow the player is expected to pay ZOS for the privilege to document exploits in shabby coding that has little to no QA before releasing. Wrong mindset.
Continued patience?, that ran out around 4 years ago for me @ZOS_GinaBruno
I agree, the playerbase got lazy too by adopting exploits ZOS qualified as "acceptable" mistakes.
Get rid of AC , group proc bombing etc and you'll see a big improvement in the game's overall performance...
But , lets not talk bout bugs and what ZOS cant be bothered to fix..or we will get the undercover
PR hamsters and chimps chastise us for yelling out loud we want a harder game ^^ lol
Getting rid of CP calculations would improve performance probably...but that is another fight for another day...
Or revamp it somehow...but then ...oh the wait for such changes lol ^^-From dust we are born , to dust we shall return upon death.0 -
tat2mano✭✭✭✭I sleep soundly knowing that every single person complaining in this thread and others could up and stop playing the game, and the rest of us would continue on in peace with absolutely no dent in the ESO bottom line. Things would continue just fine without you. Vocal minority, you're not fooling me.
Do you pay Eso Plus every month?
If not, without people like myself, this game would die ...because we spend cash to
keep this game running.
So while I agree there is a lot of complaining , I believe that I , we (all of the playerbase)
are entitled to a quality service , while not asking for perfection, the basics should be covered
and so far ZOS doesnt fix even half the issues bothering all of us..if almost anything at all.
And when you say no dent in the Eso bottom line, you are actually wrong...
The more the paying playerbase dissolves, the more this game will ressemble
EQ or ...well, ZOS could turn things around and do like Aeria Games....
Turn a descent game and lock it behind a cash paywall...
But you are welcome to voice objections, just dont bash a playerbase
that might be keeping Zos' ar@# afloat.
No dinero = no Eso, its that simple.
I do, and have for years. I also spend an inordinate amount of money on crowns and crates - haters will see he's part of the problem.
My point is that, I don't think the people making trolly posts and whining about extending the event and event tickets...
Not sure if thats what you mean but i can asure you my post is not intended as a "trolly post" what so ever.
This is a well meant complained,and even more after the extension ofcourse.
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Ye_Olde_Crowe✭✭✭✭✭
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It was my favorite Atari VCR/2600 game, and I was so happy when I discovered the Mako in the first Mass Effect game... that was a nod to Moon Patrol for sure. - Other favorites were Vanguard, Dig Dug and Ghost Manor.Hmm. I'm not sure I have Moon Patrol. Might have to visit eBay....
Hm.
This downtime has strange side effects. I suddenly feel the urge to play Mr. Nutz...
*gets up, opens the trapdoor to the attic and starts to search for her mothballed consoles*
PC EU.
=primarily PvH (Player vs. House)=0 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kittytravel wrote: »
Want players to spoon feed you the issues, document with videos so that you feed the software coder to fix. Wrong mindset. I already said, multiple times, pay me 10k crowns for every exploit i show you and game would be much better.
500 Crowns for every exploit and I'd still do it. And maybe the free crowns would make ZOS actually investigate it and fix it in a timely manner instead of releasing yet another crown store item that 80% of players will not purchase due to the intensely high micro transaction cost of Crowns.
I have asked time and time again, linking GinaBruno in, she has yet to reply to me, or any other staff member, apart to BAN me from forums for bashing the company, which is not my goal.
500c is a joke amount and de vlaues any time spent in documenting these exploits/bugs/cheats. £2.70/500c is LOL, to what my employer pays me anyways.0 -
silentxthreat✭✭✭If we come out with combat bug fixed and vivic performance fixed take as long as you need1
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ItsAra✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »5 years playing this game off and on and still takes a nearly a full day to apply a 100mb patch. Honestly don't think this incompetence would be accepted in any other profession. There has been so many great changes over the years that have brought me back to play each time but this maintenance carry on is still the one that rags me. Shall attempt tomorrow
Any other profession ? What do you mean ?
Is there any other profession outside videogames that require such complex mechanics on a central server ? The video game industry is ahead of everyone else in terms of technical complexity in digital technologies "for the masses". Every company in the video game industry has downtime issues.
I understand that people want to access the service they pay for. But I also understand that, when using such advanced services, sometimes it just doesn't work right away.
And finally, ZOS (like every other video game company) know that players behave like addicts to a certain extent, therefore such downtimes have little impact on their income or market share, and as a result don't invest much into reducing those downtimes.
Profession as in literally any other job out there. Dealing with people's lives for example, if you make an error, you pay for it. Clearly someone has messed something up hence the extension, therefore should be held accountable. If people can't advance along with such "advanced services" then we shouldn't really be using/applying them. All games have downtime I'm fully aware, been playing MMO's for nearly 20 years but for such a small scale patch we have a very long downtime. If it were an expansion etc I would get it, but not a 166mb patch, or whatever size it is.
Its a video game...
A video game the employers/employees are getting massive salaries to deliverMax CP
Dunmer Dk - Healer
Redguard Nb - Dd
Breton Temp - Healer
High Elf Sorc - Tank
High Elf Warden - Healer1 -
nathan_bri✭✭✭✭Wow i am flabbergasted..
Just bought eso plus yesterday after not playing eso for 6 months or so,if i knew there would be such a long maintenance i wouldnt have got it.
Seems not much has changed (developed) here......
Your bad timing is only your own fault. Sucks, but that’s the way it is.1 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS are simply struggling, big time as most of the competent staff have left them
They ran into issues?, Good excuse, there is hundreds of issues/exploits and cheats going on in ESO but when i log back in they are always still present.
Want players to spoon feed you the issues, document with videos so that you feed the software coder to fix. Wrong mindset. I already said, multiple times, pay me 10k crowns for every exploit i show you and game would be much better.
Pay for the game. Subscribe for years and years and somehow the player is expected to pay ZOS for the privilege to document exploits in shabby coding that has little to no QA before releasing. Wrong mindset.
Continued patience?, that ran out around 4 years ago for me @ZOS_GinaBruno
I agree, the playerbase got lazy too by adopting exploits ZOS qualified as "acceptable" mistakes.
Get rid of AC , group proc bombing etc and you'll see a big improvement in the game's overall performance...
But , lets not talk bout bugs and what ZOS cant be bothered to fix..or we will get the undercover
PR hamsters and chimps chastise us for yelling out loud we want a harder game ^^ lol
Getting rid of CP calculations would improve performance probably...but that is another fight for another day...
Why do not you earn some CP?0 -
nathan_bri✭✭✭✭Wow i am flabbergasted..
Just bought eso plus yesterday after not playing eso for 6 months or so,if i knew there would be such a long maintenance i wouldnt have got it.
Seems not much has changed (developed) here......
You know that you can ask for a refund, right? That’s if you actually feel this strongly about it. If not, then why are you here?1 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS are simply struggling, big time as most of the competent staff have left them
They ran into issues?, Good excuse, there is hundreds of issues/exploits and cheats going on in ESO but when i log back in they are always still present.
Want players to spoon feed you the issues, document with videos so that you feed the software coder to fix. Wrong mindset. I already said, multiple times, pay me 10k crowns for every exploit i show you and game would be much better.
Pay for the game. Subscribe for years and years and somehow the player is expected to pay ZOS for the privilege to document exploits in shabby coding that has little to no QA before releasing. Wrong mindset.
Continued patience?, that ran out around 4 years ago for me @ZOS_GinaBruno
I agree, the playerbase got lazy too by adopting exploits ZOS qualified as "acceptable" mistakes.
Get rid of AC , group proc bombing etc and you'll see a big improvement in the game's overall performance...
But , lets not talk bout bugs and what ZOS cant be bothered to fix..or we will get the undercover
PR hamsters and chimps chastise us for yelling out loud we want a harder game ^^ lol
Getting rid of CP calculations would improve performance probably...but that is another fight for another day...
They've done numerous tests in Cyrodil regarding CP. Removing it had little effect on performance.1 -
tat2mano✭✭✭✭nathan_bri wrote: »Wow i am flabbergasted..
Just bought eso plus yesterday after not playing eso for 6 months or so,if i knew there would be such a long maintenance i wouldnt have got it.
Seems not much has changed (developed) here......
Your bad timing is only your own fault. Sucks, but that’s the way it is.
So hyping up people with new content in almost every day emails and then welcoming them back with a 8 hour maintenance,oh wait,11 hour maintenance is only My fault ?0 -
Bealindra✭✭a general planned sheduled maintance has ofc a deadline, but as with a coding its NEVER error free at first glance, one solution might create another problem.
And trust me they are probarly doing as good as they can and fast and the proper way, not dirty fixes.
this pays off in long run to do it proper.
sit enjoy life abit and it will be up when its ready
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sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »5 years playing this game off and on and still takes a nearly a full day to apply a 100mb patch. Honestly don't think this incompetence would be accepted in any other profession. There has been so many great changes over the years that have brought me back to play each time but this maintenance carry on is still the one that rags me. Shall attempt tomorrow
Any other profession ? What do you mean ?
Is there any other profession outside videogames that require such complex mechanics on a central server ? The video game industry is ahead of everyone else in terms of technical complexity in digital technologies "for the masses". Every company in the video game industry has downtime issues.
I understand that people want to access the service they pay for. But I also understand that, when using such advanced services, sometimes it just doesn't work right away.
And finally, ZOS (like every other video game company) know that players behave like addicts to a certain extent, therefore such downtimes have little impact on their income or market share, and as a result don't invest much into reducing those downtimes.
Profession as in literally any other job out there. Dealing with people's lives for example, if you make an error, you pay for it. Clearly someone has messed something up hence the extension, therefore should be held accountable. If people can't advance along with such "advanced services" then we shouldn't really be using/applying them. All games have downtime I'm fully aware, been playing MMO's for nearly 20 years but for such a small scale patch we have a very long downtime. If it were an expansion etc I would get it, but not a 166mb patch, or whatever size it is.
Its a video game...
A video game the employers/employees are getting massive salaries to deliver
LOL...how do you know how much the devs are making...for the hours they put in I'm sure some aren't even making minimum wage...
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-10-25-the-human-cost-of-red-dead-redemption-21 -
Itzmichi✭✭✭✭✭Wow i am flabbergasted..
Just bought eso plus yesterday after not playing eso for 6 months or so,if i knew there would be such a long maintenance i wouldnt have got it.
Seems not much has changed (developed) here......
Again one of these high quality threads.
Just know I wanted to add a high quality response.Here, have a chill pill 💊!1 -
erixtone✭✭✭I sleep soundly knowing that every single person complaining in this thread and others could up and stop playing the game, and the rest of us would continue on in peace with absolutely no dent in the ESO bottom line. Things would continue just fine without you. Vocal minority, you're not fooling me.
Do you pay Eso Plus every month?
If not, without people like myself, this game would die ...because we spend cash to
keep this game running.
So while I agree there is a lot of complaining , I believe that I , we (all of the playerbase)
are entitled to a quality service , while not asking for perfection, the basics should be covered
and so far ZOS doesnt fix even half the issues bothering all of us..if almost anything at all.
And when you say no dent in the Eso bottom line, you are actually wrong...
The more the paying playerbase dissolves, the more this game will ressemble
EQ or ...well, ZOS could turn things around and do like Aeria Games....
Turn a descent game and lock it behind a cash paywall...
But you are welcome to voice objections, just dont bash a playerbase
that might be keeping Zos' ar@# afloat.
No dinero = no Eso, its that simple.
I do, and have for years. I also spend an inordinate amount of money on crowns and crates - haters will see he's part of the problem.
My point is that, I don't think the people making trolly posts and whining about extending the event and event tickets.. I don't think they are the majority. I think most people see maintenance and just accept it. I think some people view it as reasonable but will still come here for an explanation - which is key I think. This is the one thing I think would help. Regardless if I had to sum up my post in a sentence - if you don't like and cant accept (what has come to be) the reality that is playing this game, you should stop playing. It's not about the money, but even if it was - I truly believe that if the whiners on this forum all stopped paying.. ESO would be just fine. And a lot of people would be way less stressed.
Re explanations - this I think would be helpful.
Why are the patch notes so slim for such a long window? Why was it extended? Are you migrating servers? Let us know! I think that would be helpful.
Much better explanation that I do agree with.
I do believe though , that if no one actually speaks up to ZOS' false promises
nothing will change.
True though, whining aint the option, criticism however should be welcome.
Paying player or not, we are not getting a quality service as of the last few months.
So I guess its actually normal for people to start making a fuss . [perhaps hoping ZOS will actually fix something].
When tickets to support and criticism fails, then you see anger...which pretty much sums
up what is going on in this thread right now.
Fair enough, and I respect that. I don't think though, the majority of players would agree that they are not getting quality service. That said, I think a lot of us are lucky that regular maintenance takes place while we are asleep or while we are at work. I'd almost certainly be singing a different tune if that weren't the case.0
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