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Race change token is disappointing...
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Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have to admit I was a bit miffed when I paid for a race change token 6 months ago and then found
I would also have to pay for the adventurer pack to get the race I wanted. However that's on me, the information was out there I just didn't bother to check it first. Its a bit rich to be jumping up and down when you are given something for free, if what you want is to change to a race outside of your alliance then its the adventurer pack you need but you have still saved 2400 crowns on the race change token.
No. I just wanted to change race with the free token. Found it misleading by how it was named versus how it works . I would have same disappointment with marketed name of token whether it was free or had I purchased it. It's misleadingly named.
It's. In. Description. You're just arguing silly here. And you lost nothing, you didn't buy a token.
Please explain where in the description it says you’re locked to alliance-only races
All it says is you can change the race an appearance of a character and that you need to be on the character select screen to use the token
It doesn’t mention anything about the restrictions
Alright, I'm sorry. Guess I was mislead. Carry on arguing."I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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jd24✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »Hey ZOS could be like blizzard. Buff a racial (without the free tokens) so everyone has to pay for a race change. After the money slows down, they nerf said racial and people will pay to race change to something else.
Why not just buy a couple months of eso plus and use the crowns on the any race any alliance thing?
Because that would be logical. Or the OP is trolling.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nerf Khajiits again?
I feel like this is borderline equal to the flat earth argument...
It's the last part that's logical. ESO+ to use crowns for the ARAA upgrade. That's the logical side. The rest, not so much. Or it could be. If ZoS actually catered toward actual balance, but hey! Gotta get that ninja nerf reeeee-action in.
For clarity, I was referring to the Op's argument being equal to the flat earth debate and not your reply to my comment.
The whole premise of this argument is flawed by common sense alone.
If faction means more to you than race then pick another race within your faction. If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction. If you have to have the combo, then buy 3 months of eso plus and spend the crowns on ARAA and enjoy 3 months of eso plus.1 -
MrRudiculous✭✭✭MrRudiculous wrote: »I have to admit I was a bit miffed when I paid for a race change token 6 months ago and then found
I would also have to pay for the adventurer pack to get the race I wanted. However that's on me, the information was out there I just didn't bother to check it first. Its a bit rich to be jumping up and down when you are given something for free, if what you want is to change to a race outside of your alliance then its the adventurer pack you need but you have still saved 2400 crowns on the race change token.
No. I just wanted to change race with the free token. Found it misleading by how it was named versus how it works . I would have same disappointment with marketed name of token whether it was free or had I purchased it. It's misleadingly named.
It's. In. Description. You're just arguing silly here. And you lost nothing, you didn't buy a token.
OP - 'no its misleading, i don't read descriptions'
But there actually is no clarification in the description, you can read it yourself
I did read it myself but i already knew it doesn't automatically give you ARAA since its been like this forever and i was quoting OP's contradiction to being mislead even though he admitted he doesn't read which is basically troll 101 right there. How can you be mislead if you don't read?
I think the troll has revealed its true intentions way early on, the rest is icing on the cake.PC EU Daggerfall Covenant Sotha CP810
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Temeraire507✭✭✭nIndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I have to admit I was a bit miffed when I paid for a race change token 6 months ago and then found
I would also have to pay for the adventurer pack to get the race I wanted. However that's on me, the information was out there I just didn't bother to check it first. Its a bit rich to be jumping up and down when you are given something for free, if what you want is to change to a race outside of your alliance then its the adventurer pack you need but you have still saved 2400 crowns on the race change token.
No. I just wanted to change race with the free token. Found it misleading by how it was named versus how it works . I would have same disappointment with marketed name of token whether it was free or had I purchased it. It's misleadingly named.
It's. In. Description. You're just arguing silly here. And you lost nothing, you didn't buy a token.
OP - 'no its misleading, i don't read descriptions'
But there actually is no clarification in the description, you can read it yourself
Can you make an Altmer a DC while creating a character? No?
"Can change the race of a character to another" doesn't mean "Can change the race of a character to ANY other".
Words have meaning, y'know.
Still adding the note that it is restricted by your alliance wouldn't hurt anyone, although being obvious to many of us at least this is something we should be able to agree with OP (not with most other stuff tho and it is not misspelled or spelled in a misleading way as it is imo)0 -
Temeraire507✭✭✭joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »Hey ZOS could be like blizzard. Buff a racial (without the free tokens) so everyone has to pay for a race change. After the money slows down, they nerf said racial and people will pay to race change to something else.
Why not just buy a couple months of eso plus and use the crowns on the any race any alliance thing?
Because that would be logical. Or the OP is trolling.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nerf Khajiits again?
I feel like this is borderline equal to the flat earth argument...
It's the last part that's logical. ESO+ to use crowns for the ARAA upgrade. That's the logical side. The rest, not so much. Or it could be. If ZoS actually catered toward actual balance, but hey! Gotta get that ninja nerf reeeee-action in.
For clarity, I was referring to the Op's argument being equal to the flat earth debate and not your reply to my comment.
The whole premise of this argument is flawed by common sense alone.
If faction means more to you than race then pick another race within your faction. If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction. If you have to have the combo, then buy 3 months of eso plus and spend the crowns on ARAA and enjoy 3 months of eso plus.
You can't change alliance tho and you shouldn't be able to. If the character is already created "If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction" is a meaningless argument.0 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭IMHO...
It's a tad ridiculous to think that a token that Only is advertised to 'change your race', will allow you to play a race that Your Game will Not allow you to create and play.
OBviously... a race change token is only going to allow you to change into a race that Your Game allows you to play.Edited by barney2525 on 26 February 2019 14:321 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »IMHO...
It's a tad ridiculous to think that a token that Only is advertised to 'change your race', will allow you to play a race that Your Game will Not allow you to create and play.
OBviously... a race change token to only going to allow you to change into a race that Your Game allows you to play.
That logical approach can be dated back to page 1, and yet here we are 100+ replies later.
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Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yeah, I must change sides a bit on that. The description isn't actually explicit in expressing the idea that you have to have ARAA to change into any race. If OP bought this token I could say he was misled. But then the support would just give him a refund and that would be the end. But the item was free, it didn't require anything from op, not even his consent in getting it onto his account. So saying that he was misled is still silly, regardless of the description."I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »Hey ZOS could be like blizzard. Buff a racial (without the free tokens) so everyone has to pay for a race change. After the money slows down, they nerf said racial and people will pay to race change to something else.
Why not just buy a couple months of eso plus and use the crowns on the any race any alliance thing?
Because that would be logical. Or the OP is trolling.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nerf Khajiits again?
I feel like this is borderline equal to the flat earth argument...
It's the last part that's logical. ESO+ to use crowns for the ARAA upgrade. That's the logical side. The rest, not so much. Or it could be. If ZoS actually catered toward actual balance, but hey! Gotta get that ninja nerf reeeee-action in.
For clarity, I was referring to the Op's argument being equal to the flat earth debate and not your reply to my comment.
The whole premise of this argument is flawed by common sense alone.
If faction means more to you than race then pick another race within your faction. If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction. If you have to have the combo, then buy 3 months of eso plus and spend the crowns on ARAA and enjoy 3 months of eso plus.
Haha! Thanks for the clarification! Yeah, the argument is definitely... Not one that's solid in reason. There's a few solutions to his problem in the thread.
Hells, if he made a thread about ZoS adding ARAA in ESO+ (along with maybe Imperial) as a benefit I could even get behind. Even that's something that's way more constructive than what's happening.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
MrRudiculous✭✭✭Lets hope this thread gets locked so the OP can make another one to satisfy his selfish needs.PC EU Daggerfall Covenant Sotha CP810
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kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I'm curious as to wonder if you've heard or played any of the other Elder scrolls games and how you manage to find out about this game in the first place? But to be honest once you said you don't care about anything this game has to offer but you love it anyway got me thinking... Yeah typical troll right there.
Yes because I find the outside of game marketing suspect it must be a troll.
It's how you're responding. You don't care to educate yourself, you obviously don't care, so people aren't going to bother to help you win your internet argument.
If you're not a troll, perhaps understanding how the game mechanics work with the lore is a starting place. Else it's only a matter of time until you get this thread closed too. Sooooooo... Good luck with that!
Yes or just purchase a cash grab upgrade. Lore has so much to do with this.0 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Um.... you need to read up on the Three Banners War so you have a basic idea how the game works....
Now, I don't go all faction crap myself - but then, I don't expect to change a Bosmer to an Orc or Redguard either. There are things about the game that are actually set in stone - unless you want to pay to "remove that stone".
Good luck with everything.
I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it. All I want to do is use free race change token to switch to new race that is not the two that I have a choice of without paying money because the company gave me something called a change race token. But I can't do that. The change race token is very misleading.
Um. You're playing this game WHY?
Nev'mind. I don't want to know.
I love the game.
You know, there are a LOT of games out where you can pvp/kill other players. If you aren't going to read anything, no background or story in the game is important to you, and you care about nothing other than your one narrow aspect of the game, you probably should find another game where the setting is very, very simple and doesn't require paying any attention whatsoever. If it isn't on your team, kill it; nice and basic. Unfortunately for you, this game isn't like that.
This game started as a 3 way pvp war. Red, Yellow, and Blue. You had three choices of race for each color; being as this original concept of the game was a *war*, there was a restriction on which races could be which color. The factions still exist; the restrictions still exist. The fact you pay attention to nothing really doesn't change that.
I didn't get past first sentence in your post but I'm sure the rest must be about how you agree that the naming of the name change token is misleading. Thank you.0 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I have to admit I was a bit miffed when I paid for a race change token 6 months ago and then found
I would also have to pay for the adventurer pack to get the race I wanted. However that's on me, the information was out there I just didn't bother to check it first. Its a bit rich to be jumping up and down when you are given something for free, if what you want is to change to a race outside of your alliance then its the adventurer pack you need but you have still saved 2400 crowns on the race change token.
No. I just wanted to change race with the free token. Found it misleading by how it was named versus how it works . I would have same disappointment with marketed name of token whether it was free or had I purchased it. It's misleadingly named.
It's. In. Description. You're just arguing silly here. And you lost nothing, you didn't buy a token.
OP - 'no its misleading, i don't read descriptions'
But there actually is no clarification in the description, you can read it yourself
Can you make an Altmer a DC while creating a character? No?
"Can change the race of a character to another" doesn't mean "Can change the race of a character to ANY other".
Words have meaning, y'know.
And wording can also be misleading.0 -
MrRudiculous✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I'm curious as to wonder if you've heard or played any of the other Elder scrolls games and how you manage to find out about this game in the first place? But to be honest once you said you don't care about anything this game has to offer but you love it anyway got me thinking... Yeah typical troll right there.
Yes because I find the outside of game marketing suspect it must be a troll.
It's how you're responding. You don't care to educate yourself, you obviously don't care, so people aren't going to bother to help you win your internet argument.
If you're not a troll, perhaps understanding how the game mechanics work with the lore is a starting place. Else it's only a matter of time until you get this thread closed too. Sooooooo... Good luck with that!
Yes or just purchase a cash grab upgrade. Lore has so much to do with this.
It has enough to do with this because if you had read what the others posted about why it isnt possible, you would understand but i guess you don't care since you love the game anyway.PC EU Daggerfall Covenant Sotha CP810
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MrRudiculous✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Um.... you need to read up on the Three Banners War so you have a basic idea how the game works....
Now, I don't go all faction crap myself - but then, I don't expect to change a Bosmer to an Orc or Redguard either. There are things about the game that are actually set in stone - unless you want to pay to "remove that stone".
Good luck with everything.
I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it. All I want to do is use free race change token to switch to new race that is not the two that I have a choice of without paying money because the company gave me something called a change race token. But I can't do that. The change race token is very misleading.
Um. You're playing this game WHY?
Nev'mind. I don't want to know.
I love the game.
You know, there are a LOT of games out where you can pvp/kill other players. If you aren't going to read anything, no background or story in the game is important to you, and you care about nothing other than your one narrow aspect of the game, you probably should find another game where the setting is very, very simple and doesn't require paying any attention whatsoever. If it isn't on your team, kill it; nice and basic. Unfortunately for you, this game isn't like that.
This game started as a 3 way pvp war. Red, Yellow, and Blue. You had three choices of race for each color; being as this original concept of the game was a *war*, there was a restriction on which races could be which color. The factions still exist; the restrictions still exist. The fact you pay attention to nothing really doesn't change that.
I didn't get past first sentence in your post but I'm sure the rest must be about how you agree that the naming of the name change token is misleading. Thank you.
Lol.PC EU Daggerfall Covenant Sotha CP810
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Isteris✭✭✭MrRudiculous wrote: »Lets hope this thread gets locked so the OP can make another one to satisfy his selfish needs.
Whatever the reason this thread was started it has provided some useful info to newer players, therefore its been mostly worth our time responding.2 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭I smell a money Grab, keep on developing for years to come ZOS as I like to game, grab all the money you can
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FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Temeraire507 wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »Hey ZOS could be like blizzard. Buff a racial (without the free tokens) so everyone has to pay for a race change. After the money slows down, they nerf said racial and people will pay to race change to something else.
Why not just buy a couple months of eso plus and use the crowns on the any race any alliance thing?
Because that would be logical. Or the OP is trolling.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nerf Khajiits again?
I feel like this is borderline equal to the flat earth argument...
It's the last part that's logical. ESO+ to use crowns for the ARAA upgrade. That's the logical side. The rest, not so much. Or it could be. If ZoS actually catered toward actual balance, but hey! Gotta get that ninja nerf reeeee-action in.
For clarity, I was referring to the Op's argument being equal to the flat earth debate and not your reply to my comment.
The whole premise of this argument is flawed by common sense alone.
If faction means more to you than race then pick another race within your faction. If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction. If you have to have the combo, then buy 3 months of eso plus and spend the crowns on ARAA and enjoy 3 months of eso plus.
You can't change alliance tho and you shouldn't be able to. If the character is already created "If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction" is a meaningless argument.
If he had stated JUST that, this thread would've gone a lot better.IndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I'm curious as to wonder if you've heard or played any of the other Elder scrolls games and how you manage to find out about this game in the first place? But to be honest once you said you don't care about anything this game has to offer but you love it anyway got me thinking... Yeah typical troll right there.
Yes because I find the outside of game marketing suspect it must be a troll.
It's how you're responding. You don't care to educate yourself, you obviously don't care, so people aren't going to bother to help you win your internet argument.
If you're not a troll, perhaps understanding how the game mechanics work with the lore is a starting place. Else it's only a matter of time until you get this thread closed too. Sooooooo... Good luck with that!
Yes or just purchase a cash grab upgrade. Lore has so much to do with this.
It's always had something to do with it. Just because you're unwilling to educate yourself doesn't make it a 'cash grab'. It's been in there since March of 2015. They didn't just all of a sudden come out with it.
Also if people would so KINDLY refer to the Support Page;Once purchased, you can use the tokens at the character select screen to select a new race for one of your characters. Simply select the character you wish to change and then select the Race Change Token icon. Note that you can only change your race to one that is available to your account.
Once complete, Skill Points on your previous race’s Racial Skill Line will be refunded and any progress in that Skill Line will be transferred to your new race.
This page was written in 2017, after the surge of similar threads.
It hasn't been misleading since then. If people can't open up the Support section and search the knowledge base, then it's not their problem. Could they add that into the in game description? Sure! But you're not wanting just that and you're still stating it's misleading when there's an overly-abundant amount of documentation already provided at your fingertips.Edited by FleetwoodSmack on 26 February 2019 14:50Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »Hey ZOS could be like blizzard. Buff a racial (without the free tokens) so everyone has to pay for a race change. After the money slows down, they nerf said racial and people will pay to race change to something else.
Why not just buy a couple months of eso plus and use the crowns on the any race any alliance thing?
Because that would be logical. Or the OP is trolling.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nerf Khajiits again?
I feel like this is borderline equal to the flat earth argument...
I don't think so.0 -
MrRudiculous✭✭✭MrRudiculous wrote: »Lets hope this thread gets locked so the OP can make another one to satisfy his selfish needs.
Whatever the reason this thread was started it has provided some useful info to newer players, therefore its been mostly worth our time responding.
And maybe corrected some older players yes but alas the BS from OP's replies outweighs the usefulness of the restPC EU Daggerfall Covenant Sotha CP810
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FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I have to admit I was a bit miffed when I paid for a race change token 6 months ago and then found
I would also have to pay for the adventurer pack to get the race I wanted. However that's on me, the information was out there I just didn't bother to check it first. Its a bit rich to be jumping up and down when you are given something for free, if what you want is to change to a race outside of your alliance then its the adventurer pack you need but you have still saved 2400 crowns on the race change token.
No. I just wanted to change race with the free token. Found it misleading by how it was named versus how it works . I would have same disappointment with marketed name of token whether it was free or had I purchased it. It's misleadingly named.
It's. In. Description. You're just arguing silly here. And you lost nothing, you didn't buy a token.
OP - 'no its misleading, i don't read descriptions'
But there actually is no clarification in the description, you can read it yourself
Can you make an Altmer a DC while creating a character? No?
"Can change the race of a character to another" doesn't mean "Can change the race of a character to ANY other".
Words have meaning, y'know.
And wording can also be misleading.
Again, read the support page. Full link for transparency;
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/35229/kw/Race Change
It is not ZOS's fault that you're not using any of the tools they provide for you.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭MrRudiculous wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »Lets hope this thread gets locked so the OP can make another one to satisfy his selfish needs.
Whatever the reason this thread was started it has provided some useful info to newer players, therefore its been mostly worth our time responding.
And maybe corrected some older players yes but alas the BS from OP's replies outweighs the usefulness of the rest
Feel very same way to your replies.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I have to admit I was a bit miffed when I paid for a race change token 6 months ago and then found
I would also have to pay for the adventurer pack to get the race I wanted. However that's on me, the information was out there I just didn't bother to check it first. Its a bit rich to be jumping up and down when you are given something for free, if what you want is to change to a race outside of your alliance then its the adventurer pack you need but you have still saved 2400 crowns on the race change token.
No. I just wanted to change race with the free token. Found it misleading by how it was named versus how it works . I would have same disappointment with marketed name of token whether it was free or had I purchased it. It's misleadingly named.
It's. In. Description. You're just arguing silly here. And you lost nothing, you didn't buy a token.
OP - 'no its misleading, i don't read descriptions'
But there actually is no clarification in the description, you can read it yourself
Can you make an Altmer a DC while creating a character? No?
"Can change the race of a character to another" doesn't mean "Can change the race of a character to ANY other".
Words have meaning, y'know.
And wording can also be misleading.
Again, read the support page. Full link for transparency;
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/35229/kw/Race Change
It is not ZOS's fault that you're not using any of the tools they provide for you.
I don’t think your argument will hold merit for the OP.
Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.2 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »Temeraire507 wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »Hey ZOS could be like blizzard. Buff a racial (without the free tokens) so everyone has to pay for a race change. After the money slows down, they nerf said racial and people will pay to race change to something else.
Why not just buy a couple months of eso plus and use the crowns on the any race any alliance thing?
Because that would be logical. Or the OP is trolling.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nerf Khajiits again?
I feel like this is borderline equal to the flat earth argument...
It's the last part that's logical. ESO+ to use crowns for the ARAA upgrade. That's the logical side. The rest, not so much. Or it could be. If ZoS actually catered toward actual balance, but hey! Gotta get that ninja nerf reeeee-action in.
For clarity, I was referring to the Op's argument being equal to the flat earth debate and not your reply to my comment.
The whole premise of this argument is flawed by common sense alone.
If faction means more to you than race then pick another race within your faction. If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction. If you have to have the combo, then buy 3 months of eso plus and spend the crowns on ARAA and enjoy 3 months of eso plus.
You can't change alliance tho and you shouldn't be able to. If the character is already created "If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction" is a meaningless argument.
If he had stated JUST that, this thread would've gone a lot better.IndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I'm curious as to wonder if you've heard or played any of the other Elder scrolls games and how you manage to find out about this game in the first place? But to be honest once you said you don't care about anything this game has to offer but you love it anyway got me thinking... Yeah typical troll right there.
Yes because I find the outside of game marketing suspect it must be a troll.
It's how you're responding. You don't care to educate yourself, you obviously don't care, so people aren't going to bother to help you win your internet argument.
If you're not a troll, perhaps understanding how the game mechanics work with the lore is a starting place. Else it's only a matter of time until you get this thread closed too. Sooooooo... Good luck with that!
Yes or just purchase a cash grab upgrade. Lore has so much to do with this.
It's always had something to do with it. Just because you're unwilling to educate yourself doesn't make it a 'cash grab'. It's been in there since March of 2015. They didn't just all of a sudden come out with it.
Also if people would so KINDLY refer to the Support Page;Once purchased, you can use the tokens at the character select screen to select a new race for one of your characters. Simply select the character you wish to change and then select the Race Change Token icon. Note that you can only change your race to one that is available to your account.
Once complete, Skill Points on your previous race’s Racial Skill Line will be refunded and any progress in that Skill Line will be transferred to your new race.
This page was written in 2017, after the surge of similar threads.
It hasn't been misleading since then. If people can't open up the Support section and search the knowledge base, then it's not their problem. Could they add that into the in game description? Sure! But you're not wanting just that and you're still stating it's misleading when there's an overly-abundant amount of documentation already provided at your fingertips.
Just because there is information available doesn't mean that the naming of something cannot be misleading. Little has to do with the other.0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭Anyone defending this *** are what you hear so often are Fan Boys. You all should be ashamed of yourself. This forum is so full of, I needed to do this or pay for that so nobody can have this for free.
Since One Tamriel this alliances races thing should have been let go. The adventure pack is bought by many people for different reason and that is oke. Now there is forced change of all races ZOS acknowledges this by giving race change tokens but they are not race change tokens at all unless you buy the adventure pack.
This on top of many people not picking a race to fight for a alliance but there passive to begin with.......
This is a money grab, not outraces if you have eso plus and some crown in the bank, however a very annyoing one on top of the race changes.Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »Temeraire507 wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »Hey ZOS could be like blizzard. Buff a racial (without the free tokens) so everyone has to pay for a race change. After the money slows down, they nerf said racial and people will pay to race change to something else.
Why not just buy a couple months of eso plus and use the crowns on the any race any alliance thing?
Because that would be logical. Or the OP is trolling.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nerf Khajiits again?
I feel like this is borderline equal to the flat earth argument...
It's the last part that's logical. ESO+ to use crowns for the ARAA upgrade. That's the logical side. The rest, not so much. Or it could be. If ZoS actually catered toward actual balance, but hey! Gotta get that ninja nerf reeeee-action in.
For clarity, I was referring to the Op's argument being equal to the flat earth debate and not your reply to my comment.
The whole premise of this argument is flawed by common sense alone.
If faction means more to you than race then pick another race within your faction. If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction. If you have to have the combo, then buy 3 months of eso plus and spend the crowns on ARAA and enjoy 3 months of eso plus.
You can't change alliance tho and you shouldn't be able to. If the character is already created "If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction" is a meaningless argument.
If he had stated JUST that, this thread would've gone a lot better.IndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I'm curious as to wonder if you've heard or played any of the other Elder scrolls games and how you manage to find out about this game in the first place? But to be honest once you said you don't care about anything this game has to offer but you love it anyway got me thinking... Yeah typical troll right there.
Yes because I find the outside of game marketing suspect it must be a troll.
It's how you're responding. You don't care to educate yourself, you obviously don't care, so people aren't going to bother to help you win your internet argument.
If you're not a troll, perhaps understanding how the game mechanics work with the lore is a starting place. Else it's only a matter of time until you get this thread closed too. Sooooooo... Good luck with that!
Yes or just purchase a cash grab upgrade. Lore has so much to do with this.
It's always had something to do with it. Just because you're unwilling to educate yourself doesn't make it a 'cash grab'. It's been in there since March of 2015. They didn't just all of a sudden come out with it.
Also if people would so KINDLY refer to the Support Page;Once purchased, you can use the tokens at the character select screen to select a new race for one of your characters. Simply select the character you wish to change and then select the Race Change Token icon. Note that you can only change your race to one that is available to your account.
Once complete, Skill Points on your previous race’s Racial Skill Line will be refunded and any progress in that Skill Line will be transferred to your new race.
This page was written in 2017, after the surge of similar threads.
It hasn't been misleading since then. If people can't open up the Support section and search the knowledge base, then it's not their problem. Could they add that into the in game description? Sure! But you're not wanting just that and you're still stating it's misleading when there's an overly-abundant amount of documentation already provided at your fingertips.
Just because there is information available doesn't mean that the naming of something cannot be misleading. Little has to do with the other.
Caveat emptor. But you didn’t even pay anything.
Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I have to admit I was a bit miffed when I paid for a race change token 6 months ago and then found
I would also have to pay for the adventurer pack to get the race I wanted. However that's on me, the information was out there I just didn't bother to check it first. Its a bit rich to be jumping up and down when you are given something for free, if what you want is to change to a race outside of your alliance then its the adventurer pack you need but you have still saved 2400 crowns on the race change token.
No. I just wanted to change race with the free token. Found it misleading by how it was named versus how it works . I would have same disappointment with marketed name of token whether it was free or had I purchased it. It's misleadingly named.
It's. In. Description. You're just arguing silly here. And you lost nothing, you didn't buy a token.
OP - 'no its misleading, i don't read descriptions'
But there actually is no clarification in the description, you can read it yourself
Can you make an Altmer a DC while creating a character? No?
"Can change the race of a character to another" doesn't mean "Can change the race of a character to ANY other".
Words have meaning, y'know.
And wording can also be misleading.
Again, read the support page. Full link for transparency;
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/35229/kw/Race Change
It is not ZOS's fault that you're not using any of the tools they provide for you.
I don’t think your argument will hold merit for the OP.
You're right, unfortunately. Though it's more for the posterity that such documentation exists for others, even though it's going to be covered in this hot mess.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭IndyWendieGo wrote: »Temeraire507 wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »joedraper24b14_ESO wrote: »Hey ZOS could be like blizzard. Buff a racial (without the free tokens) so everyone has to pay for a race change. After the money slows down, they nerf said racial and people will pay to race change to something else.
Why not just buy a couple months of eso plus and use the crowns on the any race any alliance thing?
Because that would be logical. Or the OP is trolling.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nerf Khajiits again?
I feel like this is borderline equal to the flat earth argument...
It's the last part that's logical. ESO+ to use crowns for the ARAA upgrade. That's the logical side. The rest, not so much. Or it could be. If ZoS actually catered toward actual balance, but hey! Gotta get that ninja nerf reeeee-action in.
For clarity, I was referring to the Op's argument being equal to the flat earth debate and not your reply to my comment.
The whole premise of this argument is flawed by common sense alone.
If faction means more to you than race then pick another race within your faction. If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction. If you have to have the combo, then buy 3 months of eso plus and spend the crowns on ARAA and enjoy 3 months of eso plus.
You can't change alliance tho and you shouldn't be able to. If the character is already created "If race means more than faction then pick a race outside your faction" is a meaningless argument.
If he had stated JUST that, this thread would've gone a lot better.IndyWendieGo wrote: »MrRudiculous wrote: »I'm curious as to wonder if you've heard or played any of the other Elder scrolls games and how you manage to find out about this game in the first place? But to be honest once you said you don't care about anything this game has to offer but you love it anyway got me thinking... Yeah typical troll right there.
Yes because I find the outside of game marketing suspect it must be a troll.
It's how you're responding. You don't care to educate yourself, you obviously don't care, so people aren't going to bother to help you win your internet argument.
If you're not a troll, perhaps understanding how the game mechanics work with the lore is a starting place. Else it's only a matter of time until you get this thread closed too. Sooooooo... Good luck with that!
Yes or just purchase a cash grab upgrade. Lore has so much to do with this.
It's always had something to do with it. Just because you're unwilling to educate yourself doesn't make it a 'cash grab'. It's been in there since March of 2015. They didn't just all of a sudden come out with it.
Also if people would so KINDLY refer to the Support Page;Once purchased, you can use the tokens at the character select screen to select a new race for one of your characters. Simply select the character you wish to change and then select the Race Change Token icon. Note that you can only change your race to one that is available to your account.
Once complete, Skill Points on your previous race’s Racial Skill Line will be refunded and any progress in that Skill Line will be transferred to your new race.
This page was written in 2017, after the surge of similar threads.
It hasn't been misleading since then. If people can't open up the Support section and search the knowledge base, then it's not their problem. Could they add that into the in game description? Sure! But you're not wanting just that and you're still stating it's misleading when there's an overly-abundant amount of documentation already provided at your fingertips.
Just because there is information available doesn't mean that the naming of something cannot be misleading. Little has to do with the other.
Caveat emptor. But you didn’t even pay anything.
Doesn't curb my disappointment0 -
Temeraire507✭✭✭Anyone defending this *** are what you hear so often are Fan Boys. You all should be ashamed of yourself. This forum is so full of, I needed to do this or pay for that so nobody can have this for free.
Since One Tamriel this alliances races thing should have been let go. The adventure pack is bought by many people for different reason and that is oke. Now there is forced change of all races ZOS acknowledges this by giving race change tokens but they are not race change tokens at all unless you buy the adventure pack.
This on top of many people not picking a race to fight for a alliance but there passive to begin with.......
This is a money grab, not outraces if you have eso plus and some crown in the bank, however a very annyoing one on top of the race changes.
I see very few people defending it. This thread is about whether it is spelled accordingly not whether ARAA should have been added into base game after One Tamriel1 -
Ryath_Waylander✭✭✭✭✭
✭WHAT?! A new character slot? Woohoo I missed that against all the background forum, weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth over the racial passives. Can't wait to get home 1
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