Traits

Salacious · April 2014

Traits should not take 6 hours to research and we should NOT get one slot. they should be instant or at most 1 hour. and we should get multiple slots.

mattriddle · April 2014

It gets worse as you research more traits. First per weapon/armor piece is 6 hours, then the second is 12 hours, and it goes up. I hear it can go up to 6 days to research something.

I like the idea of researching while offline, but I do think the times for it shouldn't be that long. Perhaps 1hr, 2hr, 4hr, 8hr, 12hr, 16hr, 20hr, 24hr and then stay at 24hr after that.

Maybe it's their way of forcing people to sub for more than a month, because it'll likely take a month to research everything per item.

Salacious · April 2014

thats pathetic

seanolan · April 2014

No, it makes folks who can craft any/all traits rare and therefore makes this worthwhile for crafter's to devote time to, so their services are in demand, rather than making it easy enough that nobody needs a devoted crafter.

Saeel · April 2014

as you go up in crafting you do get the option of research more then one trait at a time, right now I can research 2 blacksmith traits.

thilog · April 2014

Saeel wrote: »

as you go up in crafting you do get the option of research more then one trait at a time, right now I can research 2 blacksmith traits.

Saeel how do you first access traits? via deconstruction and refining or are they from books?

Allonan · April 2014

You find the traits on items from drops in the world that have that trait on that specific piece of gear. You then research it from the crafting station. (There is a little book near each of them that tells you how to craft that you can read in game.)

The final trait for each piece of gear will take 32 days to learn. If you do not spend skill points in your crafting perks it will take something like 3.5 years to learn everything. With perks you can cut down the research time and do 3 at once letting you learn everything in about 6 months or so.

Crafting in this game is just as much of a challenge as adventuring and doing dungeons and it will take dedication to master it all.

By the same token if someone wants to just dip a toe in to make a set of gear for themselves they can level to max and just learn the traits and styles they care about and get it much faster... like in a week if you find the right drops quick enough.

I love the way crafting is and really like the fact that I cannot master the craft in one day by selecting "craft all" a couple of times after buying all my mats of the AH.

I am not part of a guild or anything so this has nothing to do with selling to a restricted market. It is about enjoying the game and feeling a sense of achievement when I finally master all crafts on one character from Alchemy to Woodworking.

shadowz081 · April 2014

While I disagree with you that trait research about being instant or an hour at most, I have to agree with you that they should at least lower the time for trait 7 and 8. Seriously, 15 days for trait 7 and a little over a month for the final one? A little bit too much? I think they should cap it at a week or two weeks at absolute max.

Gungnr · April 2014

Traits apply to all styles correct? Meaning I can research an Orc Axe with a trait then make a Dark Elf Axe with that trait. If not they need to label all the items per race for clarity's sake.

shadowz081 · April 2014

@Gungnr‌
Yes, it applies to all styles and mats used.

Holmes · April 2014

I would have no issue with the current durations if they were account wide. Then again, splitting it via multiple characters which each researching different traits at the same time would be a temporary resolution.

Hellorush · April 2014

I disagree. Those long researching times is all that prevents economy from Jacks-all-of-trades with every Trait researched. I'd like if everything stayed the way it is

ElSlayer · April 2014

I don't see "Win the game" button. There should be one.

Telatansiv · April 2014

Salacious wrote: »

Traits should not take 6 hours to research and we should NOT get one slot. they should be instant or at most 1 hour. and we should get multiple slots.

it's like that so it's fair for endgame you act like this is your first mmo all actions in game are slowly impacting end game like that's why they make crafting level slightly slowly as it goes up to prevent the skyrim dagger grinding

Howitczar · April 2014

Hellorush wrote: »

I disagree. Those long researching times is all that prevents economy from Jacks-all-of-trades with every Trait researched. I'd like if everything stayed the way it is

Consider this though.

There are arguably 4 good traits for any armor set that would be most beneficial. Prioritizing these items of any other traits would cap your time to a max of like 6 days.

It seems balanced that if you want to do everything it is an option but at a certain point if you prioritized your skills correctly you certainly wont have to worry about 32 days skill times for a popular trait.

PS. my 32 days will be spent skilling "Training" b/c I see the use in it late game but we're all here to make shiny weapons that can do a boat load of damage.

Destabilizator · April 2014

Why do you care how long the last trait takes? You can have exactly ONE on the item anyway, so research the useful ones first, then some to round it to 3 so you can craft set and then you can put research on and forget, it won't change a thing.
Over a month is nothing, you just set it and forget. Well if you are stupid and research Sturdy and other nonsense enchants first and complain that Infused or such take you too long, well you pay the price.

Lupinemw · April 2014

Yeah thread already going on about this here.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/70925/researching-should-be-instantaneous#latest

I would suggest a Mod locks this one and keeps the ranting to a single location

binn05_ESO · April 2014

Research times are fine. Don't mess with something that is working fine

Baogo · April 2014

I actually enjoy the trait system. I think it forces you to pick two crafts and put skills into those crafts. Its all about the choices. Im up to my 4th trait on a couple items and with the first trait skill point unlocked I can do two at once and the 4th one takes 1 day 21 hours(or just for sake of argument 2 days) Which means my 5th will double to just under 4 days and so on...

But it gives me a sense of accomplishment versus grabbing a bunch of gear and just sitting around a crafting table for a day and doing them all. It gives me something to plan as to which items I want to work on and what gear to save for traits. I dont want easy mode. I want something to work for. I think ESO is like a fine wine that you sip versus a beer that you chug.

SadisticSavior · April 2014

Salacious wrote: »

Traits should not take 6 hours to research and we should NOT get one slot. they should be instant or at most 1 hour. and we should get multiple slots.

Why?

I agree that 6 hours is arbitrary...why is 1 hour better?

thilog · April 2014

shadowz081 wrote: »

While I disagree with you that trait research about being instant or an hour at most, I have to agree with you that they should at least lower the time for trait 7 and 8. Seriously, 15 days for trait 7 and a little over a month for the final one? A little bit too much? I think they should cap it at a week or two weeks at absolute max.

You've never played eve online then? Research there, can take years. In fact the games been out over a decade and there's still thousands of skills a player can learn.. 8 traits.. 32days.. for the last.. that's nothing.

Just to clarify.. you don't deconstruct an item, you research it? And a trait isn't an enchantment.. but an item with a trait, cannot be enchanted?? Is that right? I still haven't found a single trait, except for alchemy and I have no idea how you use traits in alchemy.

rattbagrwb17_ESO · April 2014

Traits are separate from Enchants, an item can have neither, one, the other or both.
When looking at the stats for a weapon or piece of armor, an enchant is listed just beneath the durability bar.
A trait is listed below that, with the traits heading above it.

For example, the item in this screenshot:
http://www.tesoelite.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/blacksmithing-improvement-weapon.jpg
- has an 11 flame damage enchant.
- has the 'weighted' trait

An item must be created with a trait, and it cannot be changed thereafter.
An enchantment on an item can be replaced with another enchantment anytime.
Hope that helps

Edit: I forgot to add about learning traits. You must have an item with the trait you want to learn in your inventory. When activating your crafts workbench, there is a 'Research' menu. Select the research menu and locate the item to be researched. The item to be researched will be removed from your inventory and destroyed as part of the research. Once the timer has completed, you will have the ability to create items with this trait.

thilog · April 2014

gotcha, precise is sharpened and does 2% damage etc, study on armour makes item less likely to degrade when dying.. I put my own items in my inventory and then they started showing up. I was breaking them up, expecting a trait to appear.. wonder how many i've destroyed.

freddy_hgnrb18_ESO · April 2014

I worked it out today.

In order to research EVERY trait (all available options) for any 1 piece of gear, be it weapon or armour; you are looking at a total of 64 days real time.

Multiply that by 7 for all armour slots of 1 armour type = 448 days
Multiply that by 3 for all armour types = 1344 days (3.5 years)

And that is without putting skill points into reducing research time, and researching more than 1 trait at a time.

As someone else has said, any player who is detirmined to put this much time into researching for crafting will be VERY sought after by other players. For this reason alone, I am hoping they DONT change one single thing about the crafting / trait research process.

It is not for the casual player to focus in Mastering a crafting profession - I have been researching everything I can, and even with 5 days early access, I've managed to start researching my 6th trait for Bows, and 5th trait for Leather Chest piece (as well as a few other leather pieces)

Its what I want to focus in, as its the gear my character will be using, and I would like to be able to craft the best there is for myself, as well as others who want to benefit from my efforts.

Howitczar · April 2014

freddy_hgnrb18_ESO wrote: »

As someone else has said, any player who is detirmined to put this much time into researching for crafting will be VERY sought after by other players. For this reason alone, I am hoping they DONT change one single thing about the crafting / trait research process.

And they won't do anything about it. There is all this fuss about how long it take but no one so far has taken into consideration the actual reason for the timings. OUTDOOR CRAFTING LOCATIONS.

An entire system of gating in order to achieve extremely powerful, crafter created sets by actually taking the time to research 2+ traits on a single piece of gear. Even Ashen Grip (2 trait crafting location) is extremely power at lower levels because the base proc is something like 10 damage.

Just think of having some of those bad boys in the game right now.

Reference: http://tamrieljournal.com/crafted-item-sets-eso/