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Pet Sorcerer and Warden dps
cpuScientist
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The changes to pets have really helped pets this patch they are now a bit closer to other classes, if you use a dynamic rotation. MagDen has gotten a little boost as well and when necropotence finally FINALLY affects the bear it will be good.
However talking about necropotence.. it really is underperforming the 5th piece was nerfed some time ago mostly as a bandaid to shield stacking before ZOS made the amazing changes in murkmire. However now this set is still left weak.
Could necropotence, the pet set, especially with a new pet class on the way. Be brought more in line with meta sets! It should be 4k mag a small buff but one that would make this set feel better to use and buff those pet builds just a little more to inch them closer to their non pet cousins. Zos has made great strides every patch to bring pets closer and closer to being viable. And this with the current changes would further that goal!
However talking about necropotence.. it really is underperforming the 5th piece was nerfed some time ago mostly as a bandaid to shield stacking before ZOS made the amazing changes in murkmire. However now this set is still left weak.
Could necropotence, the pet set, especially with a new pet class on the way. Be brought more in line with meta sets! It should be 4k mag a small buff but one that would make this set feel better to use and buff those pet builds just a little more to inch them closer to their non pet cousins. Zos has made great strides every patch to bring pets closer and closer to being viable. And this with the current changes would further that goal!
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codestripper✭✭✭✭✭you mean unnerf it? it used to be 4k lolSince everyone seems to be doing this,
DPS Builds:
- Magicka Sorcerer (Pet) [Flawless Conqueror @ 565CP] - 582k
- Magicka Nightblade [Flawless Conqueror @ 780CP] - 575k
- Stamina Sorcerer [Flawless Conqueror @ 420CP] - 560k
- Magicka Classless [Flawless Conqueror @ 810CP] - 540k
- Magicka Templar [Stormproof] - 550k
- Magicka Warden [Stormproof] - 510k
- Stamina Templar [In Development]
- Stamina DK [In Development]
- Stamina NB [Under 50]3 -
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✭It just gained like 600 magica in the 5bonus. You're welcome, read the patch notes.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Necropotence just got a huge buff, the 5 piece now scales with cp and other bonuses, it suppose to preform ATM as the original 4k.Edited by Lughlongarm on 6 February 2019 15:181 -
cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I know it will finally work with CP 👍 I am saying even as such it is the only pet set and the reason it was nerfed from 4k is no longer viable and even at 3600 that still is not what it used to be. And since pets do not inherit spell damage this set is the only viable option thus I am asking for a small buff to make the base 4k this would help to inch them closer it close enough even to magPlar magBlade but still be weaker.1 -
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✭Well then it would be 4.8k wouldn't it...
Can you like... wait and test this before asking for random buffs? ZOS said themselves that calls for buffs/nerfs without solid evidence/explanation is useless to them.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭I don't think it was nerfed due to shield stacking, stamina and health max stats sets were nerfed as well. Necropotence got also indirect buff couple of mouths ago when they made max magicka scale with light/heavy attacks. Necropotence right now is a better set compared to what it was during morrowind release.0
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cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭I understand and will try to get a dps test up. But right now siroria and even spell strat out perform it. EVEN THOUGH both don't buff pets. I get the particulars of those sets but damn sets that don't do a thing for pets which on a petSorc at least is a hefty percentage of the damage is kind of messed up IMHO0 -
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✭✭cpuScientist wrote: »I understand and will try to get a dps test up. But right now siroria and even spell strat out perform it. EVEN THOUGH both don't buff pets. I get the particulars of those sets but damn sets that don't do a thing for pets which on a petSorc at least is a hefty percentage of the damage is kind of messed up IMHO
Ohh Siroria and Spell strat outperform it? Damn... serious concern. Lets put Necro to the list of literally every set in the game that 'needs' to be buffed because these two outperform it.
Your concern is probably valid, just aimed at wrong direction.Edited by SodanTok on 6 February 2019 16:290 -
codestripper✭✭✭✭✭cpuScientist wrote: »I understand and will try to get a dps test up. But right now siroria and even spell strat out perform it. EVEN THOUGH both don't buff pets. I get the particulars of those sets but damn sets that don't do a thing for pets which on a petSorc at least is a hefty percentage of the damage is kind of messed up IMHO
Ohh Siroria and Spell strat outperform it? Damn... serious concern. Lets put Necro to the list of literally every set in the game that 'needs' to be buffed because these two outperform it.
Your concern is probably valid, just aimed at wrong direction.
Thus raises the question, is it easiest to buff every set in the game, or nerf those 2 sets slightly....hmmmmmSince everyone seems to be doing this,
DPS Builds:
- Magicka Sorcerer (Pet) [Flawless Conqueror @ 565CP] - 582k
- Magicka Nightblade [Flawless Conqueror @ 780CP] - 575k
- Stamina Sorcerer [Flawless Conqueror @ 420CP] - 560k
- Magicka Classless [Flawless Conqueror @ 810CP] - 540k
- Magicka Templar [Stormproof] - 550k
- Magicka Warden [Stormproof] - 510k
- Stamina Templar [In Development]
- Stamina DK [In Development]
- Stamina NB [Under 50]1 -
Crafts_Many_Boxes✭✭✭✭✭cpuScientist wrote: »I understand and will try to get a dps test up. But right now siroria and even spell strat out perform it. EVEN THOUGH both don't buff pets. I get the particulars of those sets but damn sets that don't do a thing for pets which on a petSorc at least is a hefty percentage of the damage is kind of messed up IMHO
For most players, they will never do their dummy numbers in actual fights using Siroria. There's just too many positioning requirements for it to be effective for all but the most adept players.
Spell strat is only ST. Granted most boss fights are single target, but technically there is a drawback, and the effect is conditional vs passive, albeit with a very easy condition.
Overall though, i'm happy to see necro get a buff with the CP changes, I like my magsorc and want an excuse to use it more often.0 -
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✭✭codestripper wrote: »cpuScientist wrote: »I understand and will try to get a dps test up. But right now siroria and even spell strat out perform it. EVEN THOUGH both don't buff pets. I get the particulars of those sets but damn sets that don't do a thing for pets which on a petSorc at least is a hefty percentage of the damage is kind of messed up IMHO
Ohh Siroria and Spell strat outperform it? Damn... serious concern. Lets put Necro to the list of literally every set in the game that 'needs' to be buffed because these two outperform it.
Your concern is probably valid, just aimed at wrong direction.
Thus raises the question, is it easiest to buff every set in the game, or nerf those 2 sets slightly....hmmmmm
Make 3rd set, preferably in new chapter's trial. That will be better than those 2.. obviously.0 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭codestripper wrote: »cpuScientist wrote: »I understand and will try to get a dps test up. But right now siroria and even spell strat out perform it. EVEN THOUGH both don't buff pets. I get the particulars of those sets but damn sets that don't do a thing for pets which on a petSorc at least is a hefty percentage of the damage is kind of messed up IMHO
Ohh Siroria and Spell strat outperform it? Damn... serious concern. Lets put Necro to the list of literally every set in the game that 'needs' to be buffed because these two outperform it.
Your concern is probably valid, just aimed at wrong direction.
Thus raises the question, is it easiest to buff every set in the game, or nerf those 2 sets slightly....hmmmmm
You dont need to nerf either of the sets. Necropotence is very consistent, it will perform great in any scenario.
Siroria is a PVE only set which requires that you will stay in a specific location in order to get max performance.
Spell strat is a single target only set and will not preform as well in big fights.
So ya, when your only indication regarding set power is the result of shooting a static target, you will get inaccurate results.
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✭✭✭✭✭The request is not unreasonable.
Magicka/stamina stacking is not viable for end game dps. All top sets are about spell damage and crit.
By using Necropotence, the user sacrifises a significant amount of self-damage in order to allow pets to have some damage.
It doesn't have to be as good as those meta sets. A small push would be a reasonable step though.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac my ward,
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✭I understand that strat and siroria are the 2 best sets. However when the PET SET set for pet set that is made for pet pet friendly pet specific set. Loses to sets that do not even affect the pets damage. Geeze Louise that's concerning. Heck julianos nearly beats it.
But I understand the concern and the valid reason for not agreeing or thinking this trivial.
I was just trying to say that while the set is being looked at and pets are getting looked at, now would be a good time to provide feedback on the set most closely tied with that goal.
And yes siroria is not always viable, and strategist is single Target only which I mean that's what we care about in most trials with 2 of the trials only having bosses no real add pulls. And it can be swapped out in situations like vmol in the trash pulls anyway.
Just thought I'd provide some feedback 😊0 -
Vizikul✭✭✭✭cpuScientist wrote: »However when the PET SET set for pet set that is made for pet pet friendly pet specific set.
What?
Pugging. Pugging all the way to victory.Imperial Dragonknight --- male, stamina, heavy & medium armor, dual wield, one hand and shield, two handed.
Breton Templar --- female, magicka, light armor, restoration staff.
Redguard Warden --- female, stamina, medium armor, bow.
Breton Sorcerer --- male, magicka, light armor, destruction staff.
Imperial Templar --- male, stamina, medium armor, two handed.
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