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‘Cheating Nightblades’
Rowjoh
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To the dozens of AD players that accuse players of cheating when ganked in a captured keep after it’s gone quiet:
Nightblades have an invisibility skill and can sneak into keeps that are under attack, regardless of faction, and remain undetected for as long as they want.
Simples
Nightblades have an invisibility skill and can sneak into keeps that are under attack, regardless of faction, and remain undetected for as long as they want.
Simples
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So nerf Nightblades?"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."3 -
Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭To the dozens of AD players that accuse players of cheating when ganked in a captured keep after it’s gone quiet:
Nightblades have an invisibility skill and can sneak into keeps that are under attack, regardless of faction, and remain undetected for as long as they want.
Simples
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Rowjoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just to be clear, players regularly send hate whispers accusing me and my friends (we all play Nightblades) of cheating and report us only because they are under the misapprehension that we somehow got into the keep illegally after it was repaired! lol.
I'm hoping that any of those reading this (and new pvp'ers) will now know that its gameplay 'as intended'
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭To be fair that issue should be resolved long ago and keep that was taken and is no longer under siege should apply permanent hide/cloak reveal to every enemy inside keep walls. Nightblades staying in keeps and slaying people inside like it's nothing and then just safely going back to hide is just flawed game design. I have nothing against people staying in enemy keep and fighting in it after it's no longer under siege but nightblades just take it one step too far.
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✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »To be fair that issue should be resolved long ago and keep that was taken and is no longer under siege should apply permanent hide/cloak reveal to every enemy inside keep walls. Nightblades staying in keeps and slaying people inside like it's nothing and then just safely going back to hide is just flawed game design. I have nothing about people staying in enemy keep and fighting in it after it's no longer under siege but nightblades just take it one step too far.
and i made it clear that anyone can do that.
you dont need to be a nightblade to go permastealth.
anyone can stealth and stay stealthed with sneak and invis potions.
"anyone"
"any class"
that has nothing to do with game design, it has to do with the fact that people in a pvp zone getting angry that they were killed.
as allways
You tried to lie that anyone can do that. You need to be a nightblade to do it effectively inside enemy keep in other case guards will have good laugh.
I recommend You to try to sneak inside enemy keep and stay hidden without use of cloak , later to fight some people kill them and reenter stealth later compare it to effectiveness of the same procces while using cloak and THEN come back with comments. Also to talk about "anyone" or "any class" it would be nice to play a little on them before making comments about their playstyles while playing stamblade all the time. Your bias is so strong You're making it way to easy to counter Your arguments.
That have everything to do with game design. Cloak is the only ability in the game that allows for smooth transition from combat to hide which in that case allows to vanish from sight of all-seeing guards.Edited by Juhasow on 1 January 2019 17:5610 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm always in stealth, even when in a "friendly" keep. At times people in my group will ask me why am I in stealth and stand away from the group. I tell them, if you always suspect a gank, you are never surprised.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »if you do not posses stealthing skills, and the skills to be able to stay alive in pvp fights then you cannot blame zenimax, you cannot blame others for cheating, you cannot blame game design.
the blame goes directly to the inability of that person that lost the pvp fight and was not able to stay stealthed.
we all have access to invisibility pots that keep you stealthed FAR better than the unreliable invisiviblilty cast, as well as knowing when and whjere to use said pots, AND able to know when and where to stealth and how to stay stealthed.
If You do not posses any usable knowledge about the topic because You're way to biased then You cannot comment.../s8 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Anyone whom enters sneak is undetectable
not just nightblades
and Anyone whom takes invisibility potion and stay in sneak can, as you say'
" remain undetected for as long as they want."
This.
However, the bigger issue is I rarely see players sweeping keeps and outposts after they take it or defended it. That is where the failure is. It used to be something we did pretty much every time. Now it is just take it and move on.2 -
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Pretty much this. I remember the days when as one group repaired the keep others would run around checking for anyone hiding inside (especially if some of the dead were holding release), but seems these days tactics are lacking.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Anyone whom enters sneak is undetectable
not just nightblades
and Anyone whom takes invisibility potion and stay in sneak can, as you say'
" remain undetected for as long as they want."
This.
However, the bigger issue is I rarely see players sweeping keeps and outposts after they take it or defended it. That is where the failure is. It used to be something we did pretty much every time. Now it is just take it and move on.
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Pretty much this. I remember the days when as one group repaired the keep others would run around checking for anyone hiding inside (especially if some of the dead were holding release), but seems these days tactics are lacking.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Anyone whom enters sneak is undetectable
not just nightblades
and Anyone whom takes invisibility potion and stay in sneak can, as you say'
" remain undetected for as long as they want."
This.
However, the bigger issue is I rarely see players sweeping keeps and outposts after they take it or defended it. That is where the failure is. It used to be something we did pretty much every time. Now it is just take it and move on.
Unfortunately, this is what the current playerbase has turned into...Edited by Cadbury on 1 January 2019 18:19"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
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Pretty much this. I remember the days when as one group repaired the keep others would run around checking for anyone hiding inside (especially if some of the dead were holding release), but seems these days tactics are lacking.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Anyone whom enters sneak is undetectable
not just nightblades
and Anyone whom takes invisibility potion and stay in sneak can, as you say'
" remain undetected for as long as they want."
This.
However, the bigger issue is I rarely see players sweeping keeps and outposts after they take it or defended it. That is where the failure is. It used to be something we did pretty much every time. Now it is just take it and move on.
Tactics have been lacking overall for a long time. Even casual groups used tactics back in the day.2 -
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Pretty much this. I remember the days when as one group repaired the keep others would run around checking for anyone hiding inside (especially if some of the dead were holding release), but seems these days tactics are lacking.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Anyone whom enters sneak is undetectable
not just nightblades
and Anyone whom takes invisibility potion and stay in sneak can, as you say'
" remain undetected for as long as they want."
This.
However, the bigger issue is I rarely see players sweeping keeps and outposts after they take it or defended it. That is where the failure is. It used to be something we did pretty much every time. Now it is just take it and move on.
Tactics have been lacking overall for a long time. Even casual groups used tactics back in the day.
This has nothing to do with tactics and everything with the way the game is designed. The game has no incentive for stealth sweeping and THIS is why players do not do it. You get ap for most things, but not for sweeping. While you're sweeping a keep someone else is getting ap for repairing or taking a resource. It's a no brainer why people don't do it.
A keep gets taken, walls repaired and players either more to the next or port back to get rewards. New players port into the keep thinking it's 'safe', some go afk and get ganked. And so they should, if you don't take precautions vs a gank or a vd bomb it's on you. A keep, even walled and 'secure', is still a pvp zone and should be treated as such.
And if you're a NB who likes to gank in a keep and get tells then take it as a job well done and pat yourself on the back.PC NA PvP Oceanic
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Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭Hiding in keeps us technically possible for any class, but this is a Nightblade thing. We can argue for days over why it’s a Nightblade thing, but other classes rarely hide in keeps and gank players after they cap.
That said, it’s a harmless and goofy behavior and I think having oddball stuff like this happen actually makes cyrodiil more fun.
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✭I don´t know about cheating but I just add this comment: "Some of the main goals for the design of the stealth system were to ensure that it was fun, not overpowered, wouldn’t promote or encourage Stealther gank groups, did not have stunlocking, no easy on/easy off stealth, and no unlimited stealth + strong opener + vanish. Another very important was that stealth and stealth classes work well within the entirety of the RvR framework, and not simply be something that be narrowly designed for solo or small group encounters only."
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✭✭✭✭✭To be fair that issue should be resolved long ago and keep that was taken and is no longer under siege should apply permanent hide/cloak reveal to every enemy inside keep walls. Nightblades staying in keeps and slaying people inside like it's nothing and then just safely going back to hide is just flawed game design. I have nothing against people staying in enemy keep and fighting in it after it's no longer under siege but nightblades just take it one step too far.
There could at least be sentry NPCs or something. These NPCs are worthless. Let me just kill my own factions so I can at least repent them or something.0 -
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✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »To be fair that issue should be resolved long ago and keep that was taken and is no longer under siege should apply permanent hide/cloak reveal to every enemy inside keep walls. Nightblades staying in keeps and slaying people inside like it's nothing and then just safely going back to hide is just flawed game design. I have nothing about people staying in enemy keep and fighting in it after it's no longer under siege but nightblades just take it one step too far.
and i made it clear that anyone can do that.
you dont need to be a nightblade to go permastealth.
anyone can stealth and stay stealthed with sneak and invis potions.
"anyone"
"any class"
that has nothing to do with game design, it has to do with the fact that people in a pvp zone getting angry that they were killed.
as allways
You tried to lie that anyone can do that. You need to be a nightblade to do it effectively inside enemy keep in other case guards will have good laugh.
I recommend You to try to sneak inside enemy keep and stay hidden without use of cloak , later to fight some people kill them and reenter stealth later compare it to effectiveness of the same procces while using cloak and THEN come back with comments. Also to talk about "anyone" or "any class" it would be nice to play a little on them before making comments about their playstyles while playing stamblade all the time. Your bias is so strong You're making it way to easy to counter Your arguments.
That have everything to do with game design. Cloak is the only ability in the game that allows for smooth transition from combat to hide which in that case allows to vanish from sight of all-seeing guards.
My guild has done it numerous times, hiding in a keep. Yes, some were NB's but most of them were templars, sorc and DK's. All you need to do is during the hectic fight hide somewhere in a corner where the guards can't see you and enter sneak mode.
Done it multiple times with different classes. It's not only NB's who do it.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."1 -
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Pretty much this. I remember the days when as one group repaired the keep others would run around checking for anyone hiding inside (especially if some of the dead were holding release), but seems these days tactics are lacking.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Anyone whom enters sneak is undetectable
not just nightblades
and Anyone whom takes invisibility potion and stay in sneak can, as you say'
" remain undetected for as long as they want."
This.
However, the bigger issue is I rarely see players sweeping keeps and outposts after they take it or defended it. That is where the failure is. It used to be something we did pretty much every time. Now it is just take it and move on.
I still check for possible enemies inside the keep... maybe I'm the only one.
Same with dead bodies. The zerg kills half a faction and then they move to the next objective without paying attention to the templar rezzing his friends...
And Forward camps. I remember when FC were put halfway between Ales and Bleaks and all the guys fighting in Ales mine were able to rezz there. It was an important mission to look for the FC and bring it down, as it was imporrtant to defend it. Now it is easier to look for FC but people, for some reason passes from them.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique2 -
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Pretty much this. I remember the days when as one group repaired the keep others would run around checking for anyone hiding inside (especially if some of the dead were holding release), but seems these days tactics are lacking.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Anyone whom enters sneak is undetectable
not just nightblades
and Anyone whom takes invisibility potion and stay in sneak can, as you say'
" remain undetected for as long as they want."
This.
However, the bigger issue is I rarely see players sweeping keeps and outposts after they take it or defended it. That is where the failure is. It used to be something we did pretty much every time. Now it is just take it and move on.
I still check for possible enemies inside the keep... maybe I'm the only one.
Same with dead bodies. The zerg kills half a faction and then they move to the next objective without paying attention to the templar rezzing his friends...
And Forward camps. I remember when FC were put halfway between Ales and Bleaks and all the guys fighting in Ales mine were able to rezz there. It was an important mission to look for the FC and bring it down, as it was imporrtant to defend it. Now it is easier to look for FC but people, for some reason passes from them.
The same is when people repair the outer door. Most don't even think there might be a bomber in the corner popping out when you are repairing. I feel like i am the only one who tosses some AOE stuff near the door wall corners to reveal them.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."0 -
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✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »
Pretty much this. I remember the days when as one group repaired the keep others would run around checking for anyone hiding inside (especially if some of the dead were holding release), but seems these days tactics are lacking.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Anyone whom enters sneak is undetectable
not just nightblades
and Anyone whom takes invisibility potion and stay in sneak can, as you say'
" remain undetected for as long as they want."
This.
However, the bigger issue is I rarely see players sweeping keeps and outposts after they take it or defended it. That is where the failure is. It used to be something we did pretty much every time. Now it is just take it and move on.
I still check for possible enemies inside the keep... maybe I'm the only one.
Same with dead bodies. The zerg kills half a faction and then they move to the next objective without paying attention to the templar rezzing his friends...
And Forward camps. I remember when FC were put halfway between Ales and Bleaks and all the guys fighting in Ales mine were able to rezz there. It was an important mission to look for the FC and bring it down, as it was imporrtant to defend it. Now it is easier to look for FC but people, for some reason passes from them.
The same is when people repair the outer door. Most don't even think there might be a bomber in the corner popping out when you are repairing. I feel like i am the only one who tosses some AOE stuff near the door wall corners to reveal them.
True... and ritual of retribution is such a useful skill in the templar skill set...
Saddly the game has become a single player interactive game rather than a MMOEdited by Xvorg on 3 January 2019 16:10Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
Demra✭✭✭I don't think anyone can do this. Having Cloak and having a potion is two different beasts. But i also don't see a problem with NBs doing this. It sounds like fun and one of the perks of playing that class. I mean what's the worst that will happen? You respawn back and have to kill the nb or sneak out?0
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✭✭I don't think anyone can do this. Having Cloak and having a potion is two different beasts. But i also don't see a problem with NBs doing this. It sounds like fun and one of the perks of playing that class. I mean what's the worst that will happen? You respawn back and have to kill the nb or sneak out?
More than a pot is the skill to sneak. The other day I stayed with my NB and a Templar inside Chal. For me it was kind of easy to sneak there and cloak on my mageblade, delaying the attack to another keep. The templar was a good one and killed 3 or 4 guys before running away.
There are many things you can do inside a keep, my favorite one implies a couple of oil pots at the Front Door and that can be done even if you re not a NBSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »To be fair that issue should be resolved long ago and keep that was taken and is no longer under siege should apply permanent hide/cloak reveal to every enemy inside keep walls. Nightblades staying in keeps and slaying people inside like it's nothing and then just safely going back to hide is just flawed game design. I have nothing about people staying in enemy keep and fighting in it after it's no longer under siege but nightblades just take it one step too far.
and i made it clear that anyone can do that.
you dont need to be a nightblade to go permastealth.
anyone can stealth and stay stealthed with sneak and invis potions.
"anyone"
"any class"
that has nothing to do with game design, it has to do with the fact that people in a pvp zone getting angry that they were killed.
as allways
You tried to lie that anyone can do that. You need to be a nightblade to do it effectively inside enemy keep in other case guards will have good laugh.
I recommend You to try to sneak inside enemy keep and stay hidden without use of cloak , later to fight some people kill them and reenter stealth later compare it to effectiveness of the same procces while using cloak and THEN come back with comments. Also to talk about "anyone" or "any class" it would be nice to play a little on them before making comments about their playstyles while playing stamblade all the time. Your bias is so strong You're making it way to easy to counter Your arguments.
That have everything to do with game design. Cloak is the only ability in the game that allows for smooth transition from combat to hide which in that case allows to vanish from sight of all-seeing guards.
My guild has done it numerous times, hiding in a keep. Yes, some were NB's but most of them were templars, sorc and DK's. All you need to do is during the hectic fight hide somewhere in a corner where the guards can't see you and enter sneak mode.
Done it multiple times with different classes. It's not only NB's who do it.
It's only the nb who can repeat it. It's not about hiding during siege and sitting in 1 place in sneak it's about effective going in and out of stealth in between fights in enemy keep after it was repaired.
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✭✭I don't think disabling cloak would be a good idea, it would mean most NBs can't fight effectively while other classes can. Sentry NPCs, maybe if they cover a large area but die easily easily so you know someone's there when they're dead? IdkDAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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