Solar Disturbance (Nova morph), how do you feel?

DeadlyRecluse · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

that is the way skill are judged in this game, in single target.

That's laughably simplistic.

Izaki · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Stamplars use this skill on every trash pack in every raid because of the AoE damage, the damage reduction and the massive damage of the synergy which one of the other DDs will activate. Same goes for any boss where you have need for a damage reduction rotation. Its one of the 3 synergies the DDs can actually use, along with Orbs and Storm Atronach. The rest are needed for the tanks' Alkosh uptimes. So yes it is fine, it's a great support ultimate.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2018

This skill is not fine, (please state why)

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

that is the way skill are judged in this game, in single target.

That's laughably simplistic.

Yes it is because that is the way it is.

Androconium · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

If it dosen't work for you, then don't use it.

Shawn_PT · October 2018

The one thing I don't like about Nova (and all AoE ultis I suppose) is the fact that they vanish when the caster dies. I lost count of the times I've totally wasted my ulti on my healer during dungeon runs because I was keeping Nova for that 'oh sh!t' moment, and when that moment comes I get wrecked between casting the ulti and it landing. My sacrifice might be worth it if it meant my allies had my Nova. But nope. Total waste.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Androconium wrote: »

If it dosen't work for you, then don't use it.

This is not what i am asking.

BRogueNZ · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

I'd rather at least one of the morphs didn't rely on it to be synergised and perhaps tweaked more toward solo

wolfxspice · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

"DK harmony builds"

GreenHere · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Solar Disturbance is my go-to morph! Even back when all it did was extra snare while inside the area (iirc).

Having Maim stay on enemies who leave the area is far better than a bit more damage on the synergy, imo. Especially in PvP, or scattered/mobile PvE fights. The defense and offense a debuff like Major Maim provides is highly underrated. It's funny and effective in PvP to drop a Nova on groups who are charging in, thinking they're badass, run around slapping my allies with wet-noodle-level attacks and get utterly wrecked. Bonus points when you stack on Minor Maim too!

Wait, I mean... uh... You shouldn't do that, because it's never effective and it's a terrible strategy. Never use Maim in PvP, please. It doesn't do anything, and isn't worth applying to enemies. They wouldn't even notice the damage loss. (Please don't Maim me, y'all!)

The thing I really dislike about the Nova morphs is the naming scheme. They take a cool and easy-to-say-in-combat name like "Nova" and turn it into some lame Solar Whatevermajig. Why not something like "Blinding Nova" or "Crushing Nova" or "Nova Bomb" or something that is still indicative of the original skill? I actually quite like Nova, and Solar Disturbance -- but I still had to look up which morph the thread was about because I just can't keep the "Solar Whatevers" straight in my head. Just me?

(Also, @ESO_Nightingale , could I suggest you list in the OP what the skill you're putting on the chopping block actually does, for clarification, please? For convenience and to avoid confusion in these threads.)

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

GreenHere wrote: »

Solar Disturbance is my go-to morph! Even back when all it did was extra snare while inside the area (iirc).

Having Maim stay on enemies who leave the area is far better than a bit more damage on the synergy, imo. Especially in PvP, or scattered/mobile PvE fights. The defense and offense a debuff like Major Maim provides is highly underrated. It's funny and effective in PvP to drop a Nova on groups who are charging in, thinking they're badass, run around slapping my allies with wet-noodle-level attacks and get utterly wrecked. Bonus points when you stack on Minor Maim too!

Wait, I mean... uh... You shouldn't do that, because it's never effective and it's a terrible strategy. Never use Maim in PvP, please. It doesn't do anything, and isn't worth applying to enemies. They wouldn't even notice the damage loss. (Please don't Maim me, y'all!)

The thing I really dislike about the Nova morphs is the naming scheme. They take a cool and easy-to-say-in-combat name like "Nova" and turn it into some lame Solar Whatevermajig. Why not something like "Blinding Nova" or "Crushing Nova" or "Nova Bomb" or something that is still indicative of the original skill? I actually quite like Nova, and Solar Disturbance -- but I still had to look up which morph the thread was about because I just can't keep the "Solar Whatevers" straight in my head. Just me?

(Also, @ESO_Nightingale , could I suggest you list in the OP what the skill you're putting on the chopping block actually does, for clarification, please? For convenience and to avoid confusion in these threads.)

Damn! Listing "nova morph" isnt enough i guess. Alright ill make sure to get the entire thing next time, you have my word.

Jameliel · October 2018

MaleAmazon wrote: »

This is my list of 'worst skills':

-Circle of protection.

That´s it.

Everything else there is some use for, for some playstyle. CoP I have only ever thought of using on a lethal arrow spam build with lethal arrow + all FG skills, for the Slayer passive.

Lol sounds like a fun idea. Throw in silver bolts with the chain morph for people who try to run.

Varana · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Solar Prison seems to be the preferred morph and I'm not exactly sure why. The stun is wasted on bosses anyway, so the main difference is: is it worth sacrificing a bit of synergy damage for the Major Maim lingering on the boss while he's moving?
That may be different in coordinated raid groups but for casual pugging, bosses moving around are rather common.

So for that, I'd think Solar Disturbance may be a bit more useful.

Edit: PvE, of course.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Varana wrote: »

Solar Prison seems to be the preferred morph and I'm not exactly sure why. The stun is wasted on bosses anyway, so the main difference is: is it worth sacrificing a bit of synergy damage for the Major Maim lingering on the boss while he's moving?
That may be different in coordinated raid groups but for casual pugging, bosses moving around are rather common. So for that, I'd think Solar Disturbance may be a bit more useful.

Edit: PvE, of course.

For me its always seemed like prison was better for that nuke synergy. With disturbance only being better for very specific scenarios.

GreenHere · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GreenHere wrote: »

Solar Disturbance is my go-to morph! Even back when all it did was extra snare while inside the area (iirc).

Having Maim stay on enemies who leave the area is far better than a bit more damage on the synergy, imo. Especially in PvP, or scattered/mobile PvE fights. The defense and offense a debuff like Major Maim provides is highly underrated. It's funny and effective in PvP to drop a Nova on groups who are charging in, thinking they're badass, run around slapping my allies with wet-noodle-level attacks and get utterly wrecked. Bonus points when you stack on Minor Maim too!

Wait, I mean... uh... You shouldn't do that, because it's never effective and it's a terrible strategy. Never use Maim in PvP, please. It doesn't do anything, and isn't worth applying to enemies. They wouldn't even notice the damage loss. (Please don't Maim me, y'all!)

The thing I really dislike about the Nova morphs is the naming scheme. They take a cool and easy-to-say-in-combat name like "Nova" and turn it into some lame Solar Whatevermajig. Why not something like "Blinding Nova" or "Crushing Nova" or "Nova Bomb" or something that is still indicative of the original skill? I actually quite like Nova, and Solar Disturbance -- but I still had to look up which morph the thread was about because I just can't keep the "Solar Whatevers" straight in my head. Just me?

(Also, @ESO_Nightingale , could I suggest you list in the OP what the skill you're putting on the chopping block actually does, for clarification, please? For convenience and to avoid confusion in these threads.)

Damn! Listing "nova morph" isnt enough i guess. Alright ill make sure to get the entire thing next time, you have my word.

Thanks

Varana · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

Solar Prison seems to be the preferred morph and I'm not exactly sure why. The stun is wasted on bosses anyway, so the main difference is: is it worth sacrificing a bit of synergy damage for the Major Maim lingering on the boss while he's moving?
That may be different in coordinated raid groups but for casual pugging, bosses moving around are rather common. So for that, I'd think Solar Disturbance may be a bit more useful.

Edit: PvE, of course.

For me its always seemed like prison was better for that nuke synergy. With disturbance only being better for very specific scenarios.

Disturbance's synergy does 2184 dmg, Prison's synergy does 3822 dmg. (Numbers taken from the UESP, not sure about actual in-game numbers with CP and stuff.) Is that that much better than potentially losing the Major Maim early?
I'm really not sure.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Varana wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

Solar Prison seems to be the preferred morph and I'm not exactly sure why. The stun is wasted on bosses anyway, so the main difference is: is it worth sacrificing a bit of synergy damage for the Major Maim lingering on the boss while he's moving?
That may be different in coordinated raid groups but for casual pugging, bosses moving around are rather common. So for that, I'd think Solar Disturbance may be a bit more useful.

Edit: PvE, of course.

For me its always seemed like prison was better for that nuke synergy. With disturbance only being better for very specific scenarios.

Disturbance's synergy does 2184 dmg, Prison's synergy does 3822 dmg. (Numbers taken from the UESP, not sure about actual in-game numbers with CP and stuff.) Is that that much better than potentially losing the Major Maim early?
I'm really not sure.

To be honest, neither am i, on paper, prison sounds better.

Soris · October 2018

This skill is not fine, (please state why)

In pvp it isnt any good expect very rare occasions.

It costs too much and lasts too soon. Plus it is stationary.
It should at least floow the player like eye of the storm and that warden frost ulti.

GreenHere · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

Soris wrote: »

In pvp it isnt any good expect very rare occasions.

It costs too much and lasts too soon. Plus it is stationary.
It should at least floow the player like eye of the storm and that warden frost ulti.

Drop it on a breach or chokepoint. Watch people walk through it and proceed to tickle your allies for the 4 seconds they're still alive.

RinaldoGandolphi · October 2018

Ideally, Solar Disturbance should be the stamina version of Negate Magic. It’s the perfect skill for it

You cast it and no stamina abilities can be used while your inside it’s area of effect just like Negate Magic prevents you from casting any magic abilities while standing inside it.

This would be a great change to the skill and give it real purpose. Besides, it’s pretty unfair that Magicka users can have their ability to use skills locked out by Negste when no such skill exists for stam.

It’s a fragment of the sun, the sun is a magnet, it makes sense weapons of metal become to heavy to use.

Androconium · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

If it dosen't work for you, then don't use it.

This is not what i am asking.

Solar Disturbance (Nova morph), how do you feel?

I feel that If it doesn't work for you, then don't use it.

ESO_Nightingale wrote:

This is the 3rd skill i have made a poll for as I am unsure if this ultimate is bad enough to be considered on my list. Please let me know what you think of the morph! Again, as stated before. If the skill is viewed positively i will not be including it on my list!

It looks like you're creating a list of 'bad morphs'. I stand by my original response to your question.

idk · October 2018

It is a good skill. It would be interesting to see why you even question this skill. It would be great to understand your thoughts as to why you think this potentially worthy of being on your questionable list of worst skills.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Androconium wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Androconium wrote: »

If it dosen't work for you, then don't use it.

This is not what i am asking.

Solar Disturbance (Nova morph), how do you feel?

I feel that If it doesn't work for you, then don't use it.

ESO_Nightingale wrote:

This is the 3rd skill i have made a poll for as I am unsure if this ultimate is bad enough to be considered on my list. Please let me know what you think of the morph! Again, as stated before. If the skill is viewed positively i will not be including it on my list!

It looks like you're creating a list of 'bad morphs'. I stand by my original response to your question.

This is not about me, if the community likes the skill then its off the list. My list does encompass worst morphs too.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

idk wrote: »

It is a good skill. It would be interesting to see why you even question this skill. It would be great to understand your thoughts as to why you think this potentially worthy of being on your questionable list of worst skills.

Put it on the list because i spoke to checkmath on the discord about it. Seemed to me that it might be outclassed. That's why i left a community poll to gather their feedback about it so i keep it on the list or not.

karekiz · October 2018

This skill is fine, (please state why)

The skill is fine.

One is great for focused tank and spank style encounters <PvP/PvE>
The other is great if the encounter can escape you nova <Mostly PvP with few exceptions in PvE>

I don't really see a reason to change it, or even what to change it to. They both fit a niche. Dmg vs Debuff.

Tai-Chi · October 2018

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Guess you haven't seen soul trap or fire rune

Soul trap has use in especially in consuming trap when farming. And it does fill soul gems, don´t forget. So IMO it has uses. Fire rune - could be useful for setting traps by keep doors or at your own feet. No, I haven´t tried it (I prefer throwing a trap beast at my own feet and then going into the menu for extra hilarity) but I can see it having a use.

How often do you get empty soul gems? I sure as hell dont get them often. Fire rune is without a doubt the worst skill ive ever used and that is saying something. Volcanic rune is fun but not really effective where as scalding rune does hilariously bad damage.

Use Soul Trap and you will attract some empty ones. Daily Crafting Writs also bring in a lot.

I put Soul Trap on my front bar whilst harvesting ore, wood and flowers and also in Public Dungeons and Delves.

Many overland mobs only grant XP and sometimes gold and other trash. At least with Soul Trap one is picking up 4 - 10 filled Gems each mob.

A Public Dungeon can net 200 filled Gems quite easily. A Dolmen lands 30 - 50 each time.

I give the filled ones away to friends or sell them to NPC Vendors for 6K gold per stack.

Edited. Missed out the "L" in "Public"

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Tai-Chi wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Guess you haven't seen soul trap or fire rune

Soul trap has use in especially in consuming trap when farming. And it does fill soul gems, don´t forget. So IMO it has uses. Fire rune - could be useful for setting traps by keep doors or at your own feet. No, I haven´t tried it (I prefer throwing a trap beast at my own feet and then going into the menu for extra hilarity) but I can see it having a use.

How often do you get empty soul gems? I sure as hell dont get them often. Fire rune is without a doubt the worst skill ive ever used and that is saying something. Volcanic rune is fun but not really effective where as scalding rune does hilariously bad damage.

Use Soul Trap and you will attract some empty ones. Daily Crafting Writs also bring in a lot.

I put Soul Trap on my front bar whilst harvesting ore, wood and flowers and also in Public Dungeons and Delves.

Many overland mobs only grant XP and sometimes gold and other trash. At least with Soul Trap one is picking up 4 - 10 filled Gems each mob.

A *** Dungeon can net 200 filled Gems quite easily. A Dolmen lands 30 - 50 each time.

I give the filled ones away to friends or sell them to NPC Vendors for 6K gold per stack.

I personally do not see it as a justifyable reason to use the skill. But this can be said when i put out the soul trap poll.