I agree. Nothing worse than the lower tier team just feeding the winning team.

Daus wrote: »

Agreed. Sick of having my kills stolen by Mage's Fury.

This is now a nerf sorc thread

I like the 4v4v4 as it is. You can do a lot of strategies. Anything goes!

I would prefer 20vs20vs20vs20

Aliyavana wrote: »

In cyrodil, it works because two factions will want to unite to take on the faction that is dominating or has emp, in bgs like deathmatch it relies on people not being greedy as what will happen is if one team is too dominant the weaker team will jump in on the even weaker third team to try to steal some kills instead of teaming up and thus makes it a ever worse experience for the weakest team. A 4 v 4 or a 6 v 6 would atleast make it so that extra team will not be there to be leeches to the weakest team. Try counting how many times the weak teams team up together instead of fighting each other for scraps of score.

Keep the triad as its own game mode but make 4v4 or 6v6 two team deathmatch a option to spice battlegrounds up for more variety.

I strongly believe 8v8 is the best format with well designed maps that heavily incentivize spreading out. And when you have 8v8 format you can curb the issur of premades vs pugs without harming the queue times by simply limiting premade queuing to 4 man.

3 team bgs was the biggest mistake they made and i am sticking by that as i have since day 1.

Mureel wrote: »

LOL No.

The SALT when people get FARMED for AP, battle after battle (after battle!) because premades vs half groups will happen much more!

Some of you guys asked for the changes we got; now complain about them.

The BEST thing that could happen is if there was NO MORE group queueing.

You always queue solo, and get randomly put into a group.

No actually they wont. When designed well, you dont have the premade problem because a premade can only ever have so much influence on a match where each team is 8 players and the premade is limited to 4 where the bg in question REQUIRES the objectives get played or a loss is guarunteed. A well desgined bg in this way, as has been done countless times across mutliple mmos, will create scenarios where pvp can not be avoided while still stressing the importance of objectives, unlike the ring around the rosey trash we have now in eso bgs for everything but DM.

Ap farming as you seem to be conplaining about would not exist because under the ideal scenario explained above, ap gains only come from end of match results so ap gains essentially comes from pvping while playing the objectives.

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm good with the current system.

I'd rather not have a 6-8 man ball group premade running against the PUG I join with.

I don't have faith in them coming up with an ideal system for groups/solo players so I don't think we need any changes in regards to the layouts of the teams.

properly designed 8 man BGs are not reduced to ball groups though. This has historically been proven. Its why you absolutely, positively do not implement TDM style BGs with such a player count. If 8 players want to ball up in a BG, assuming the BG is designed properly, with objective points in place, said group will earn a swift loss.

brandonv516 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm good with the current system.

I'd rather not have a 6-8 man ball group premade running against the PUG I join with.

I don't have faith in them coming up with an ideal system for groups/solo players so I don't think we need any changes in regards to the layouts of the teams.

properly designed 8 man BGs are not reduced to ball groups though. This has historically been proven. Its why you absolutely, positively do not implement TDM style BGs with such a player count. If 8 players want to ball up in a BG, assuming the BG is designed properly, with objective points in place, said group will earn a swift loss.

Things typically aren't designed properly around here. They can't fix the current broken, why do we want a new broken? It would be a mess if inplemented.

Well yeah of course lol. this is all just wishful thinking. I was just giving a hypothetical. When done right 8v8 bgs in an mmo dont tend to end up being ball group clusterfucks nor dominated by premades.

exeeter702 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm good with the current system.

I'd rather not have a 6-8 man ball group premade running against the PUG I join with.

I don't have faith in them coming up with an ideal system for groups/solo players so I don't think we need any changes in regards to the layouts of the teams.

properly designed 8 man BGs are not reduced to ball groups though. This has historically been proven. Its why you absolutely, positively do not implement TDM style BGs with such a player count. If 8 players want to ball up in a BG, assuming the BG is designed properly, with objective points in place, said group will earn a swift loss.

Things typically aren't designed properly around here. They can't fix the current broken, why do we want a new broken? It would be a mess if inplemented.

Well yeah of course lol. this is all just wishful thinking. I was just giving a hypothetical. When done right 8v8 bgs in an mmo dont tend to end up being ball group clusterfucks nor dominated by premades.

8v8 in other mmos typically have more healers. Lack of healers in bgs on eso is astounding.

I've recently begun to really enjoy BGs. I will admit the 4v4v4 is getting old. Would be fun if instead of creating these cookie cutter BGs if they just implemented some new match types.

I like the five we have, deathmatch/ relic/ chaosball/ crazy/ domination. But I agree they need to spice it up with 2v2/3v3/4v4/6v6/ or even 2v2v2 would be interesting. I'm sick of getting blown up by 8 players moshing through BGs as if they were part of a cyrodil raid group spamming AoEs.

I understand why they did the team's like that, to give tanks and heal tanks less chance at surviving. But it makes those of us who jump into DPS builds an unfair dissadvantage

Hutch679 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm good with the current system.

I'd rather not have a 6-8 man ball group premade running against the PUG I join with.

I don't have faith in them coming up with an ideal system for groups/solo players so I don't think we need any changes in regards to the layouts of the teams.

properly designed 8 man BGs are not reduced to ball groups though. This has historically been proven. Its why you absolutely, positively do not implement TDM style BGs with such a player count. If 8 players want to ball up in a BG, assuming the BG is designed properly, with objective points in place, said group will earn a swift loss.

Things typically aren't designed properly around here. They can't fix the current broken, why do we want a new broken? It would be a mess if inplemented.

Well yeah of course lol. this is all just wishful thinking. I was just giving a hypothetical. When done right 8v8 bgs in an mmo dont tend to end up being ball group clusterfucks nor dominated by premades.

8v8 in other mmos typically have more healers. Lack of healers in bgs on eso is astounding.

We'd see more dedicated healers with larger team sizes. In 4v4v4 with only three teammates and 8 potential opponents, depending on the pugs you queue in with to secure kills isn't a safe bet.

BGs should have been 8vs8 from the start. Larger teams also allows for more interesting maps, right now we just have tiny little arenas that might look different, but they all play almost exactly the same.