im enjoying the grind.

generalmyrick wrote: »

im enjoying the grind.

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Blanco wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

im enjoying the grind.

No, he's right.

Now with transmutation being in the game (which was good), the game needed a new grind. Let jewel crafting be it.

I don't think you realize the grind just yet...

So, for every dust- you have to get ten to make a plating... (which is RNG based) Those platings require at least 8 legendary mats to create one piece of jewelry at the legendary quality.

So- look at it this way: I've been running around and collecting seams to get dusts to convert to platings to convert to jewelry... but after about a month... I can only create ONE epic (purple) quality jewelry.

Think about it. ONE.

The grind isn't the problem, it's the high cost that comes with it. It costs way too much to make 1 gold piece of jewelry that it isn't worth the mats. It's currently 800k to make one piece of just gold mats. I don't see a point in upgrading something beyond purple for this insane cost. The increase from purple to gold should be 1000 times more to make it worth it.

I enjoy most of the jewelry crafting system, such as all the different traits being found in different places/systems being one of them. Leveling has also been fun for me. The only thing I find incredibly wrong with this system is, like you said OP, is the upgrading system. I agree the system needs to be somewhat grindy to have players want to try more veteran content, but at this stage, I think it's insane. Right now gold grains are selling for 30k? That was a couple of days ago, so correct me if I'm wrong. The fact you need 80 of those grains just to upgrade one piece is extreme. I think the grain system is ok, but not at the rates they are dropping.

I think they need to either make it to where grains drop 50-100% more than other upgrading materials (like tempering alloy). This would mean that for every 100 dust refined, you will most likely get 2-3 grains instead of it being only 1 (this is completely RNG based tho, but I think we would see a lot more grains dropped). The system right now is the same as other crafting systems to where every 100 ore/dust/wood/silk you refine, you will probably get 1 gold material. That's not right for a system that requires 80 gold materials.By upgrading the chance of getting more grains, I definitely think they can make it less of a grind while still making it grindy for those with that kink.

Another thing they can add is a new skill where every upgrade you put into it, you get multiple/the chance of getting multiple grains. For example, let's say at rank 1, you get the chance/guarantee of getting an additional grain for each refinement/extraction. So at this rank, instead of getting 1 grain for every refinement or extraction, when you do get a grain, you will get 2. With each skill upgrade, you could get more, maybe to a max of 4. This can be played around with, either making the skill the chance of getting more or a guarantee of getting more. Maybe it's a mix between the two. This is only a suggestion to give ZOS some ideas because at the moment, I don't see them listening to the majority of the community who is extremely upset with how they've made this new system.

Lastly, with a new crafting system like this, I think they should add a hireling skill. I think it could really help with some materials, it wouldn't be a huge change, but I think it would be a nice, small one that some people have been asking for.

There are multiple ways ZOS can approach this. At the moment, I've seen most of the community (except those with a pain fetish) are angry with the extreme grindiness of this upgrading system. Thousands of players have vented their frustration since PTS and yet the only thing that was changed was that seams would pop up more (on PTS at one point, they were extremely rare). ZOS, I hope you're listening to our feedback and I hope you change the upgrade system.

The grind is not needed. If you need to grind then you are not really playing the game. Main reason I don’t do PvE is that after you get the gear you want there’s no reason to do the content. Once you get what you need you have ran through the content so many times there’s no fun or challenge.

If you’re not having fun what are you doing. I like crafting cause I can make gear just the way I want it a little weaker then most dropped sets but adding jewelry with the materials needed is like not having it in game at all.

It's a 'costly' grind because everyone is rushing to do it right this instant. Wait a bit, sell the stuff you find for exorbitant prices, then buy what you need some amount of weeks/months down the read when prices have stabilized. It's definitely not as painful as it looks - it'll be even less once people start doing their normal thing again and casually decon stuff along the way. If ZOS had allowed us to decon jewelry that existed before jewelcrafting, the whole ordeal wouldn't look nearly so daunting, so just...wait a bit.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

The grind is not needed. If you need to grind then you are not really playing the game. Main reason I don’t do PvE is that after you get the gear you want there’s no reason to do the content. Once you get what you need you have ran through the content so many times there’s no fun or challenge.

If you’re not having fun what are you doing. I like crafting cause I can make gear just the way I want it a little weaker then most dropped sets but adding jewelry with the materials needed is like not having it in game at all.

You’re not getting it. For a lot of people the long arduous grind is fun. Personally I PVP a lot, but when I’m not in PVP like 80% of the time I’m just running around picking flowers. I’ll do this for like 3 hours on a Sunday while sipping coffee just to relax.

It took my about 18 months to get 9 traits on everything else. No issue at all if this takes me a long while. If it’s 3 months before I can get 3 gold pieces of jewelry so be it. I got a lot of coffee.

Hey all the love to you but if I have three hours of a weekend to spend on the game I want them to count. If I need to make armor or weapons I can just gather what I need no problem even when I farm for them. With jewelry you need to farm nodes and dolmens/dungeons to get a piece of jewelry that breaks down to a raw material literally 1/10 of what you need to even refine it. Getting raw materials from a finished piece which it self is not a heavy drop and you have a pointless grind on your hands.

You have 3 hours to sit back and relax farming more power to you, I don’t have that time to just pick flowers.
I can spend a whole week farming and still not have enough for 3 purple pieces. That’s not okay. I have too much things I can do with that time things I actually enjoy. I don’t sub to farm I sub to enjoy the game.

I don't mind grinding for a few hours, but I wouldn't want to have to do it for days and days on end. I think this is something that could definitely be scaled back a little.

Savos_Saren wrote: »

ZOS- we've tried to tell you since Summerset Beta. It takes waaaaaaay too much grinding to improve jewelry. Especially if you craft jewelry sets. I've been leveling jewelry crafting since the pre-launch and I can only level one necklace to Epic (purple quality) and two rings to green quality. It's *** boring. You need to adjust the deconstruction to align it with other deconstructions.

When you deconstruct a piece of armor- you don't get raw materials... you get refined materials. So what's the logic behind deconstructing a ring and getting raw materials? It's a blatant flaw in game design. This game is about aligning skills/passives to each other. Do the same with jewelry. Why, pray tell, would you implement a new concept in the game that takes MONTHS to reap the benefits???

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert please adjust accordingly.

do you want to have every mats in a day and finish all your upgrades?

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

The grind is not needed. If you need to grind then you are not really playing the game. Main reason I don’t do PvE is that after you get the gear you want there’s no reason to do the content. Once you get what you need you have ran through the content so many times there’s no fun or challenge.

If you’re not having fun what are you doing. I like crafting cause I can make gear just the way I want it a little weaker then most dropped sets but adding jewelry with the materials needed is like not having it in game at all.

You’re not getting it. For a lot of people the long arduous grind is fun. Personally I PVP a lot, but when I’m not in PVP like 80% of the time I’m just running around picking flowers. I’ll do this for like 3 hours on a Sunday while sipping coffee just to relax.

It took my about 18 months to get 9 traits on everything else. No issue at all if this takes me a long while. If it’s 3 months before I can get 3 gold pieces of jewelry so be it. I got a lot of coffee.

Hey all the love to you but if I have three hours of a weekend to spend on the game I want them to count. If I need to make armor or weapons I can just gather what I need no problem even when I farm for them. With jewelry you need to farm nodes and dolmens/dungeons to get a piece of jewelry that breaks down to a raw material literally 1/10 of what you need to even refine it. Getting raw materials from a finished piece which it self is not a heavy drop and you have a pointless grind on your hands.

You have 3 hours to sit back and relax farming more power to you, I don’t have that time to just pick flowers.
I can spend a whole week farming and still not have enough for 3 purple pieces. That’s not okay. I have too much things I can do with that time things I actually enjoy. I don’t sub to farm I sub to enjoy the game.

Then do something else and buy the jewelry in a few weeks. Regardless of how you do it, it’s not gonna be quick.

Quick is not my point here if I need armor and have no metal for some reason I can in less then a day in just an hour farm what I need. To even make a crafted white ring or necklace is ridiculous.
I’m a crafter I should not need to buy anything to get what I need I need food I make it armor and weapons I accept that I all have lower stats that’s fine with me. I put in the work to get enough skill points to do all the crafting on my main and still play him. I don’t mind putting in work but weeks of farming or outright buying stuff is not okay.

You loss that whole do it yourself if it takes you a month to do so. Buying mats should be easier and faster then farming, farming should be reasonable weeks of searching to make or upgrade is not reasonable. No other crafting works this way.

We all know it’s like this so trail and dungeons gold drops stay “rare” but we can upgrade everything else jewelry has entered that group of things we can change, so do it all that’s way not half baked.

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

im enjoying the grind.

No, he's right.

Now with transmutation being in the game (which was good), the game needed a new grind. Let jewel crafting be it.

I don't think you realize the grind just yet...

So, for every dust- you have to get ten to make a plating... (which is RNG based) Those platings require at least 8 legendary mats to create one piece of jewelry at the legendary quality.

So- look at it this way: I've been running around and collecting seams to get dusts to convert to platings to convert to jewelry... but after about a month... I can only create ONE epic (purple) quality jewelry.

Think about it. ONE.

Are you a time traveler? Because Summerset launched 16 days ago.....

Savos_Saren wrote: »

I don't think you realize the grind just yet...

So, for every dust- you have to get ten to make a plating... (which is RNG based) Those platings require at least 8 legendary mats to create one piece of jewelry at the legendary quality.

So- look at it this way: I've been running around and collecting seams to get dusts to convert to platings to convert to jewelry... but after about a month... I can only create ONE epic (purple) quality jewelry.

Think about it. ONE.

Maybe, juuuust maybe,

Gold Jewelry still isn't meant to be given out like a participation trophy.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

The grind is not needed. If you need to grind then you are not really playing the game. Main reason I don’t do PvE is that after you get the gear you want there’s no reason to do the content. Once you get what you need you have ran through the content so many times there’s no fun or challenge.

If you’re not having fun what are you doing. I like crafting cause I can make gear just the way I want it a little weaker then most dropped sets but adding jewelry with the materials needed is like not having it in game at all.

You’re not getting it. For a lot of people the long arduous grind is fun. Personally I PVP a lot, but when I’m not in PVP like 80% of the time I’m just running around picking flowers. I’ll do this for like 3 hours on a Sunday while sipping coffee just to relax.

It took my about 18 months to get 9 traits on everything else. No issue at all if this takes me a long while. If it’s 3 months before I can get 3 gold pieces of jewelry so be it. I got a lot of coffee.

Hey all the love to you but if I have three hours of a weekend to spend on the game I want them to count. If I need to make armor or weapons I can just gather what I need no problem even when I farm for them. With jewelry you need to farm nodes and dolmens/dungeons to get a piece of jewelry that breaks down to a raw material literally 1/10 of what you need to even refine it. Getting raw materials from a finished piece which it self is not a heavy drop and you have a pointless grind on your hands.

You have 3 hours to sit back and relax farming more power to you, I don’t have that time to just pick flowers.
I can spend a whole week farming and still not have enough for 3 purple pieces. That’s not okay. I have too much things I can do with that time things I actually enjoy. I don’t sub to farm I sub to enjoy the game.

Then do something else and buy the jewelry in a few weeks. Regardless of how you do it, it’s not gonna be quick.

Quick is not my point here if I need armor and have no metal for some reason I can in less then a day in just an hour farm what I need. To even make a crafted white ring or necklace is ridiculous.
I’m a crafter I should not need to buy anything to get what I need I need food I make it armor and weapons I accept that I all have lower stats that’s fine with me. I put in the work to get enough skill points to do all the crafting on my main and still play him. I don’t mind putting in work but weeks of farming or outright buying stuff is not okay.

You loss that whole do it yourself if it takes you a month to do so. Buying mats should be easier and faster then farming, farming should be reasonable weeks of searching to make or upgrade is not reasonable. No other crafting works this way.

We all know it’s like this so trail and dungeons gold drops stay “rare” but we can upgrade everything else jewelry has entered that group of things we can change, so do it all that’s way not half baked.

to the bit i put in bold...

how is it ridiculous? 10 plat for a ring 15 for a neck. getting that amount of material is trivial.

you mean 100 and 150, right?

jabrone77 wrote: »

I don't mind the grind.
And hopefully it'll calm down those players who were so worried this would devalue thier trial drops. Not as easy to get jewelry to gold by crafting as they thought, and I'm fine with the time it's going to take.

For every 20 people i see talking about the grind "calm(ing) down those players who were so worried this would devalue there trial drops". I see maybe 1 person worried about the devaluation of their gold jewelery, If even. I've got plenty of gold trial jewelry and i could care less. Just sayin'.