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Slayer of ESO's Economy - We need you ZOS!
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Radinyn✭✭✭✭✭now just curious how many people will use it with hope it will be many to show ZOS their guild traders system isnt to good...atleast until they wil maybe add npc in game to search items from every guild trader where to go instead of wasting time running on every zone just to get info there is no any item which you want to buy or to get this items after many zones...
Still based on the other topic ~~60+ % of game's population is against global auction house.
from where you get 60% of this gam population is against global auction? dont say its from forum pools where less than 1k different players even writing something on forum xD
and I dont see any chance as more than 50%+ players will be against global auction as this game is more casual friendly and global AH would be more casual friendy where you need to have active sales to not be kicked from guild and of there are zones with the best prices for selling where you to get and be in those guilds you really need to have good sales and we have other worse zones where you need to wait or many many more time longer to sold this one item which could be sold in same day in good zone or need to drastically lower price to have sure you will sell this item before price will drop more with this time
while in global AH you dont need any special guild to even list your items for sale and everyone have flat chance to sell same item for similiar price without being additional disadvantaged because of bad location of your guild trader
In game literally everyone I meet is against auction house except some of the min/max players. Guild Trader's are more realstic to the medival/fantasy way of trading than global auction house.
Then TTC and MM should probably be banned, along with all other trade addons.
You can’t get the true medieval trader experience by looking up the prices on a website or addon.
That's not what I've meant and I see your bait. Just Guild Traders is better system and it suit the game better.2 -
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✭✭✭now just curious how many people will use it with hope it will be many to show ZOS their guild traders system isnt to good...atleast until they wil maybe add npc in game to search items from every guild trader where to go instead of wasting time running on every zone just to get info there is no any item which you want to buy or to get this items after many zones...
Still based on the other topic ~~60+ % of game's population is against global auction house.
from where you get 60% of this gam population is against global auction? dont say its from forum pools where less than 1k different players even writing something on forum xD
and I dont see any chance as more than 50%+ players will be against global auction as this game is more casual friendly and global AH would be more casual friendy where you need to have active sales to not be kicked from guild and of there are zones with the best prices for selling where you to get and be in those guilds you really need to have good sales and we have other worse zones where you need to wait or many many more time longer to sold this one item which could be sold in same day in good zone or need to drastically lower price to have sure you will sell this item before price will drop more with this time
while in global AH you dont need any special guild to even list your items for sale and everyone have flat chance to sell same item for similiar price without being additional disadvantaged because of bad location of your guild trader
In game literally everyone I meet is against auction house except some of the min/max players. Guild Trader's are more realstic to the medival/fantasy way of trading than global auction house.
Then TTC and MM should probably be banned, along with all other trade addons.
You can’t get the true medieval trader experience by looking up the prices on a website or addon.
That's not what I've meant and I see your bait. Just Guild Traders is better system and it suit the game better.
If that was true, these addons wouldn’t exist, let alone be so popular.Edited by srfrogg23 on 5 April 2018 01:1312 -
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✭Data Daedra, Master Merchant, Tamriel Trade Centre and now this. Are there any other ones?
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✭Well,this might explain a slowdown is guild sales traffic. The last two weeks have been quiet, despite the increase in players online.2 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭I think it's fine, we can't say people should be forbidden to use zone chat to do trade or something like that.
The only thing the addon does it create an automation of certain functions of the UI.
It's even far from something like "PvP Alerts" was, because the general UI doesn't provide many things that addon did.You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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Oh yeah, this argument totally convinced everyone. Let's get rid of magic in ESO too since WoW does it, and that totally turns this game into WoW: ESO Edition. Just because the game you like has a bad system doesn't mean we should keep it just to make the game "special" instead of making it better.
And since it's apparently ok to talk for everyone...
WE want to join guilds WE actually want to be in instead of staying in some trading guild full of people WE never talk to just because the sales are good.
WE want to actually play the game instead of browsing a website for the items WE need as if we're shopping on amazon and not playing ESO.
WE would also prefer it if WE didn't have to run a bunch of addons impacting game performance just to be able to participate in the market in any meaningful way.
WE would also like it if WE didn't have to explain to our friends joining the game for the first time that they have to sell stuff and log in every day just to not be kicked from a guild, because that does not at all scare them.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Clearly OP is advertising this add-on.
Edit: this add-on requires you to run an executable while playing, so it is a terrible idea to use it. Enjoy your malware!
Malware ... Yummy.
Setting that aside, it's against the spirit of the guild trader system ... so it may not be long before ZOS brings in the ban hammer.3 -
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✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Clearly OP is advertising this add-on.
Edit: this add-on requires you to run an executable while playing, so it is a terrible idea to use it. Enjoy your malware!
Malware ... Yummy.
Setting that aside, it's against the spirit of the guild trader system ... so it may not be long before ZOS brings in the ban hammer.
I doubt it. Mailing items with CoD is built into the game. This just adds a UI to that. Besides, if they banned everything that was against the spirit of the guild traders, they would have banned all the other addons by now. Zos seems to be ok with it.5 -
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Oh yeah, this argument totally convinced everyone. Let's get rid of magic in ESO too since WoW does it, and that totally turns this game into WoW: ESO Edition. Just because the game you like has a bad system doesn't mean we should keep it just to make the game "special" instead of making it better.
And since it's apparently ok to talk for everyone...
WE want to join guilds WE actually want to be in instead of staying in some trading guild full of people WE never talk to just because the sales are good.
WE want to actually play the game instead of browsing a website for the items WE need as if we're shopping on amazon and not playing ESO.
WE would also prefer it if WE didn't have to run a bunch of addons impacting game performance just to be able to participate in the market in any meaningful way.
WE would also like it if WE didn't have to explain to our friends joining the game for the first time that they have to sell stuff and log in every day just to not be kicked from a guild, because that does not at all scare them.
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swifty3174✭✭✭I'd never heard of it until this thread, but now I'm using it, and I suspect many others will be too. So thank you for the advertisement OP!
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Klixen✭✭✭Thank you OP for posting about this. I discovered this addon a few weeks ago and I've been hoping it would become popular. But I've been scared to use it.
To anybody who is using it, is it safe?2 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭now just curious how many people will use it with hope it will be many to show ZOS their guild traders system isnt to good...atleast until they wil maybe add npc in game to search items from every guild trader where to go instead of wasting time running on every zone just to get info there is no any item which you want to buy or to get this items after many zones...
Still based on the other topic ~~60+ % of game's population is against global auction house.
from where you get 60% of this gam population is against global auction? dont say its from forum pools where less than 1k different players even writing something on forum xD
and I dont see any chance as more than 50%+ players will be against global auction as this game is more casual friendly and global AH would be more casual friendy where you need to have active sales to not be kicked from guild and of there are zones with the best prices for selling where you to get and be in those guilds you really need to have good sales and we have other worse zones where you need to wait or many many more time longer to sold this one item which could be sold in same day in good zone or need to drastically lower price to have sure you will sell this item before price will drop more with this time
while in global AH you dont need any special guild to even list your items for sale and everyone have flat chance to sell same item for similiar price without being additional disadvantaged because of bad location of your guild trader
In game literally everyone I meet is against auction house except some of the min/max players. Guild Trader's are more realstic to the medival/fantasy way of trading than global auction house.
Why would anyone be against it?
I do fine in the current trader system (I've been in all the top cities), but an auction house is infinitely more convenient.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I guess the only way to figure this out is for @ZOS_GinaBruno and/or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom to print out the Nirn Auction House FAQ (https://nirnah.com/faq) and determine whether this is an interface enhancement or something more intrusive.
Add-ons of this complexity should be evaluated internally. Not only to verify that they fit their intended add-on purpose, but to ensure that there aren't potential vulnerabilities that can only be discovered on their end. There are some things in that FAQ that I can't definitively say are correct or incorrect.
But I would say that "Nirn Auction House makes your items visible to all players throughout Nirn, Guild Store Listings are only visible to others in your guild." should be elaborated upon because the first half applies only to players who use the add-on, and the second half only applies to guilds without a trader kiosk. It's a little misleading as-is.signing off2 -
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✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »now just curious how many people will use it with hope it will be many to show ZOS their guild traders system isnt to good...atleast until they wil maybe add npc in game to search items from every guild trader where to go instead of wasting time running on every zone just to get info there is no any item which you want to buy or to get this items after many zones...
Still based on the other topic ~~60+ % of game's population is against global auction house.
from where you get 60% of this gam population is against global auction? dont say its from forum pools where less than 1k different players even writing something on forum xD
and I dont see any chance as more than 50%+ players will be against global auction as this game is more casual friendly and global AH would be more casual friendy where you need to have active sales to not be kicked from guild and of there are zones with the best prices for selling where you to get and be in those guilds you really need to have good sales and we have other worse zones where you need to wait or many many more time longer to sold this one item which could be sold in same day in good zone or need to drastically lower price to have sure you will sell this item before price will drop more with this time
while in global AH you dont need any special guild to even list your items for sale and everyone have flat chance to sell same item for similiar price without being additional disadvantaged because of bad location of your guild trader
In game literally everyone I meet is against auction house except some of the min/max players. Guild Trader's are more realstic to the medival/fantasy way of trading than global auction house.
Why would anyone be against it?
I do fine in the current trader system (I've been in all the top cities), but an auction house is infinitely more convenient.
The people who are against it are those who profit from others' lack of knowledge about market pricing.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Guild Trader's are more realstic to the medival/fantasy way of trading than global auction house.
You know what's also realistic to medieval/fantasy settings? Being able to forge weapons at a legendary anvil in an ancient ruin.... with the crafting materials in your bank back home.
(It's also totally realistic that no matter which bank you go to in the world, all your stuff is there! They should make it more like actual medieval times, and have every bank have separate storage. Have fun remembering if you left your supplies of Ruby Ash in Elden Root or Stormhaven!)
tl;dr - gameplay trumps 'realism'
edit: I'm still not bothering with this addon. It's just too much annoyance to participate in this game's economy. I'll just keep vendoring stuff I don't need to NPCs. I got 26g for those two extra Camoran Thrones I got last week!Edited by Kiralyn2000 on 5 April 2018 03:465 -
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✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
The people who are against it are those who profit from others' lack of knowledge about market pricing.
If it's a small number of people using this add-on, it won't have much impact on the game's economy.
If it gets to a point where the majority of active players are using it, however, then it becomes easier for a player with lot of gold to corner the market on certain items, as happens in most other games with global auction house.
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On the other hand, this addon you’re talking about just makes it so people don’t have to clutter zone chat with “WTS” messages. It just takes that process and gives it a convenient UI.
I don’t see what’s so wrong about that.
It exploits weak points of the game to destroy guild traders.
Not really. People who sell in chat can accomplish the same thing. Most do it using mail and the CoD functionality.
It seems to me like this addon works using a built in game system and layering a new UI on top of it. It’s not like it stores the items for players. They still have to carry the items until they’re sold.
So, when I write in zone chat in Craglorn WTS <x> somebody from Stonefalls can see it?
That does make the addon more appealing, now that you mention it.
TTC does the same thing, too.
What else does this thing do?
It shows where do you need to travel to get that item, it's not given to you wherever you are.
Fast travel. It’s a pretty quick process.
But then you can sell this item to guild store in better place for bigger price, and global auction house decreases prices in all zones at the same time breaking this important aspect of trading.
Same thing with TTC and MM. You can purchase items low and resell them high. You can also see what price others are selling at, and undercut them.
It’s called “playing the auction house”. It’s something that happens in every multiplayer game with an economy. It’s actually a pretty popular activity. Kind of like playing the stock market...which actually sounds really boring.
Either way, I’m not seeing the difference, here.
The (very obvious) difference is that one person cannot manipulate prices server-wide without putting in a huge amount of effort due to the distributed nature of the guild trader system. This keeps prices low. Consolidate everything on a global auction house and one whale can easily manipulate the market with a few clicks, but with guild traders, that person would have to go to every or nearly every trader.Edited by ecru on 5 April 2018 05:43Gryphon Heart
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Juju_beans wrote: »I wouldn't worry too much. There's only been 18K downloads of that add-on.
Other addons have hundreds of thousands of downloads.
after this topic downloads will double
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Seri✭✭✭✭I have a feeling it's going to get shut down.
Our intent with add-ons is to encourage you to modify your UI in a way that is more fitting for your personal play-style, but not ones that could allow you to make choices for others.
https://www.mmorpg.com/elder-scrolls-online/columns/esos-addon-conundrum-1000008282#3cHTyyuPg3kkvVR9.99
Any add-on that can create artificial ranking, and automate the banning of accounts from the add-on based on requirements not found in the base game, feels like a violation of the latter half of the sentence.
Also, answering this question in any other way than "No." is kind of suspicious...
Q: Do you offer order tracking like UPS?
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My interpretation there is what when the site/exe says that 'x' person ordered/won/bought an item, it triggers the in-game addon via some kind of saved variable list (ala, TTC PriceTable). Addon itself then deals with generating the mail (or perhaps the addon hooks on sending in-game mail to see if the mail matches the order), which then is written to another 'saved' lua file, which the exe can then read and see 'oh, order was sent' and update the website to say 'sent'. IMO it's a pretty smart way to do it although if it doesn't hook sending mail (if that's even possible), then a manually sent item wouldn't be tracked.EP CP160+ Templar, Sorc, NB
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✭✭✭✭✭This is a great advertisement.
If you didn't want people to use it would you have really linked right to it?
Guild Trader Hate this Addon. Click here!
Obvious reverse psychology marketing.8 -
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✭✭✭now just curious how many people will use it with hope it will be many to show ZOS their guild traders system isnt to good...atleast until they wil maybe add npc in game to search items from every guild trader where to go instead of wasting time running on every zone just to get info there is no any item which you want to buy or to get this items after many zones...
Still based on the other topic ~~60+ % of game's population is against global auction house.
from where you get 60% of this gam population is against global auction? dont say its from forum pools where less than 1k different players even writing something on forum xD
and I dont see any chance as more than 50%+ players will be against global auction as this game is more casual friendly and global AH would be more casual friendy where you need to have active sales to not be kicked from guild and of there are zones with the best prices for selling where you to get and be in those guilds you really need to have good sales and we have other worse zones where you need to wait or many many more time longer to sold this one item which could be sold in same day in good zone or need to drastically lower price to have sure you will sell this item before price will drop more with this time
while in global AH you dont need any special guild to even list your items for sale and everyone have flat chance to sell same item for similiar price without being additional disadvantaged because of bad location of your guild trader
In game literally everyone I meet is against auction house except some of the min/max players. Guild Trader's are more realstic to the medival/fantasy way of trading than global auction house.
Then TTC and MM should probably be banned, along with all other trade addons.
You can’t get the true medieval trader experience by looking up the prices on a website or addon. The internet didn’t exist back then.
Why in the XXI century do we still say "prices are posted"? Because since the old ages, commodity merchants did not go to every single producer to ask prices. Common prices were... posted, especially for common goods like ale and foods.
In the ancient Rome we had tablets illustrating the fixed prices to apply to some activities (including gladiators owners wages).Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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